PES FAQs
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Hi, I was wondering, with the IPPT having been changed to this new one with just push up, sit-ups and the run, has there been any change to whether certain medical conditions would get the PES status they used to? Like for example, if a person with a dislocated shoulder was previously given PES C2L2 for a year, would he now be PES C1L2 instead or something like that upon review this year even though that dislocation has not recovered to any extent at all and with a specialist memo saying so? And how about other types of conditions like skin conditions and ligament damage?
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
It is crucial that you update your NS HRCs if you develop a new medical condition or if an existing medical condition has worsened, which may affect your ICT performance. This is so that arrangements will be made for you to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess your fitness condition for NS.
You MUST bring along all your investigation results and memorandums from your external physician or specialist during your medical review. You may be given a medical certificate for ICT deferment, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade you if your medical condition is significant, or be referred to a restructured hospital for further examination depending on the outcome of your medical review.
If your medical condition is deemed suited for ICT participation by the medical officer, you will then be allowed to attend ICT. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Pes C2L2 for RSD.
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How important is your pes status in determining your vocations?
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Physical Employment Status (PES)
PES A (L1) = Fit for all
combat vocations. (Full BMT)
PES B (L1) = Fit for
most combat vocations. (Full BMT)All PES A and B1 will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:
L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty.
Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.
PES Bp = Fit
for obese Full BMT (applicable to obese recruits).============================================================
PES B2 (formerly called
C1) - Fit for
some combat vocations. Required to take IPPT but can be excused up
to 2 static stations in IPPT.PES B2 grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Depolyability Code) as follows:
L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.
L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support Vocations at all echelons.
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PES C = Fit for combat service
support vocations. (Modified BMT)
Further subdivided into:
PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT for NSF/ NSman, except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).
PES C9 - All servicemen not required to take IPPT.PES C grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:
L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
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PES D = Temporary unfit for
grading and pending further review.============================================================
PES E = Fit for administrative
duties only.
PES E1 - Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activites.
PES E9 - Unfit for any forms of physical activities; field duties/exercises.
PES E grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:
L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
PES F =
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Prepare for PTP/BMT: http://iprep.ns.sg/
Secrets to Pass IPPT: http://lifestyle.www.ns.sg/features/fitnessxchange
Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT.html
Types of Basic Military Training
PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.
PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.
PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.
PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations. -
anyone remember what is the last module of the IQ test asking about?? Module 7!!
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Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.
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Originally posted by Jefrence:
Pes C2L2 for RSD.
How about full body hives? Heard it is C2L3?
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
I'm PES E1L9. Till date, I still not yet go for reservice nor given a reservist NS unit yet. I was the last batch for PES E trained on Pulau Tekong island. The official Mindef/ SAF website, www.NS.sg, still put my ORD status as a reservist NSman, since according to law, PES E who ORD are still liable for reservist duties officially on paper per se, so to say, technically speaking.
Based on this sergeant last time in Tekong verbally said, this last PES E batch may highly likely don't have reservist duties, but no guarantee + chop on paper. Alas, my PES E friend at another NS camp was assigned a NS unit after ORD and so got the SAF100 call-up notices to recall him back for reservist duties due to our national low birth rate, so no choice, since not enough manpower already. Noticed that a lot of PES E are recalled back for reservist duties lately already.
PES E for ADHD and Dyslexia.
Recently found out I may have some problems with my legs, so opted for an surgery operation to reduce it. I believed I can't walk properly much, but they think I'm crazy or delusional or what.
I've had a heart attack (stent done) lately. Thinking of going for medical review to see can apply for PES F eligibility, can or not?
But, I've a future work likely to make me outstation overseas for years to come.
So how?
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hello,
I'm PES C2L3. I'm asking if I can consult any private ENT specialist and get a specialist memo for medical review to see if can downgrade to PES E or not. I've partial hearing loss in my left ear, so I'm struggling a lot to hear commands and instructions properly. My left ear also hurts whenever we as recruits need to shout, sing or cheer loudly during route marches. I also gotten an ear infection/ inflammation in Tekong BMT after endless shoutings around my ears. Recently I felt that it has gotten worsen/ aggravated that I might just end up near totally losing my hearing permanently.
So I'd consulted the camp MO to get a referral letter to SGH ENT, but it's months away too long. I must protect my ears from all the daily shoutings to avoid screwing up the platoon as I can't hear instructions clearly.
So can NSF see private hospital specialists to get a memo for PES review to see if can downgrade to PES E in order to post to any "permanent excuse loud noise environment" vocations? Because I've heard that partial and complete deaf recruits gotten PES E but my case is "not so serious enough"...
For private hospitals, MINDEF/ SAF doesn't provide any medical subsidy...
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FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- - Referral letter from a Government Restructured
Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or
SAF, without specifying any specialist by
name.
- - Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
It is crucial that you update your NS HRCs if you develop a new medical condition or if an existing medical condition has worsened, which may affect your ICT performance. This is so that arrangements will be made for you to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess your fitness condition for NS.
You MUST bring along all your investigation results and memorandums from your external physician or specialist during your medical review. You may be given a medical certificate for ICT deferment, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade you if your medical condition is significant, or be referred to a restructured hospital for further examination depending on the outcome of your medical review.
If your medical condition is deemed suited for ICT participation by the medical officer, you will then be allowed to attend ICT. - - Referral letter from a Government Restructured
Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or
SAF, without specifying any specialist by
name.
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Source: http://iprep.ns.sg/medical-and-dental.htmlCompensations for Service Injuries
Service injuries are injuries sustained while serving NS.
This also includes injuries sustained when reporting for duty or going home after duty.
You will get free medical treatment for such injuries even after ORD for lifetime.
Remember to first report your injury to your unit MO. Also remember to collect and keep all documents relating to your injury and your treatment. These will help when you submit the injury report and seek claims.Source: http://iprep.ns.sg
(A) Service Injuries
If you sustained an injury during your NS training, it may be considered as attributable to service only when service is the cause of injury. If you sustained an injury during ICT, you are required to report immediately to your unit’s Medical Officer and unit S1. This is so that your unit can arrange to attend to your injury, and document your injury sustained in your medical docket.
Before MINDEF determines that an injury is attributable to service, you are responsible for bearing all medical expenses. Treatment for your injury must be sought at government or restructured hospitals at your eligible ward and referred to by a government or SAF Medical Officer.
In the case of permanent disablement due to service injury, a medical board will be convened. Eligibility for disability compensation will be based on the degree of residual permanent disability as endorsed by the SAF Medical Board.
If your service injury requires continuous medical or hospitalisation leave beyond your ICT period, you are eligible for a stepped-down compensation as a form of ex-gratia payment. Compensation will be based on your civilian pay or an equivalent regular serviceman’s pay (whichever is higher) if you do not receive any income from your employers. This ex-gratia payment is compensation for your loss of income during this period. Payment will cease when you are no longer on medical/hospitalisation leave or when disability compensation is paid, whichever is earlier.How does an injured serviceman make a claim for the medical costs incurred for service injury?
The PMC (Personnel Management Centre) will issue all serviceman with the SI (Service Injury) Card if their injuries have been approved as attributable to service by the Pensions / Awards Officer. The serviceman must produce this card to be eligible for fully-subsidised medical treatment at the government / restructured hospitals.
If the SI Card is not produced when seeking treatment, the serviceman will have to pay for all the medical cost first and seek reimbursement via the respective PMCs with the following documents:
a. the original medical bills and payment receipts
b. a memorandum from the attending doctor to prove that the treatment received was for his service injury.
The serviceman is required to notify his PMC immediately when he loses his SI Card. There will be an administrative charge of $15 for each replacement of lost or defaced SI Card. He will need to make the payment via MINDEF Cashier / Internet and submit the receipt to the unit PMC before he will be issued a new SI Card.
While waiting for the SI Card to be issued or replaced, the serviceman may approach the respective PMCs for the issuance of the SI Memo (a temporary identification document) for the fully-subsidised medical treatment. -
You can have a one-on-one interview sessions with your officer to highlight any problems you may have. If you have a personal or family problem that need to be addressed, do let the officer know — he may be able to give you some advice or time off to settle your problems.
You will also have access to Orientation Officers who may be able to help you if the need arises.
We also have counselling hotlines for you to call if need arises. The counsellors are experienced professionals. You can call them at the following counselling hotlines:
- SAF : 1800-278 0022 (SAF Counselling Hotline)
- SPF : 1800-255 1151 (Police Psychology Service Department)
- SCDF: 1800-286 6666 (SCDF Counselling Hotline)
About Pulau Tekong Medical Centre
The Basic Military Training Centre (BMTC) located on Pulau Tekong has two medical centres. These are Pulau Tekong Medical Centre (PTMC) and Rocky Hill Medical Centre. The medical centres have trained medical personnel and doctors and are fully equipped with facilities to see SAF servicemen (including recruits) who report sick, seek medical PES reviews as well as manage medical emergencies. In addition, PTMC has dental facilities, x-ray service as well as physiotherapy services. PTMC is also a 24-hour medical centre with Medical Officers on duty throughout the day.
If I do not feel well during training, how do I report sick?
You can report sick at any time should you not feel well as PTMC is manned 24/7. Please approach your BMTC instructors, who will be able to facilitate your medical consultation at the medical centre. Our fully-qualified SAF Medical Officers will make the necessary clinical assessment and the appropriate medical recommendations. You should not be apprehensive about being unfairly viewed or treated for reporting sick if you are ill.
I have heard about instances of training-related injuries during BMT. What will happen if I am injured during training?
You will be rendered immediate first aid by trained personnel on-site. Apart from the on-site Medic, your commanders and peers can also perform first aid as all instructors and recruits are trained in Buddy Aid as part of BMT. If required, an SAF ambulance or safety vehicle will bring you to the nearest medical centre (either PTMC or Rocky Hill Medical Centre), where you will be attended to by a Medical Officer.
Are SAF medical centres equipped to treat me for serious injuries?
All SAF medical centres have emergency resuscitation facilities to treat medical emergencies. The medical centres are equipped with state-of-the-art equipment and facilities (such as body cooling units) to treat a variety of emergency medical conditions. Medical Officers and Medics are trained and qualified in emergency resuscitation skills and the use of such life-saving medical equipment. After these immediate, medical treatment measures are administered and the casualty is stabilised, he will then be evacuated to the hospital for further treatment.
How will I be transferred from Pulau Tekong to mainland Singapore if I need to be referred to the hospital?
Depending on the nature and severity of your medical condition, the evacuation from Pulau Tekong to mainland Singapore can be via air or sea-land means. Urgent cases will be airlifted by helicopter to a designated restructured hospital in Singapore with a helicopter landing point. Non-urgent cases will be ferried by fastcraft to the SAF Ferry Terminal (at mainland Singapore), where the serviceman will then be transferred via a SAF ambulance to the nearest restructured hospital.
I read in online forums about the "Tekong cough", which affects many recruits shortly after commencing BMT. Is it true?
The "Tekong cough" is a myth. The following addresses the misconceptions surrounding this myth.
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Hello. I'm diagnosed with ACL sprain and flip tear of the lateral mensicus. The doctor said what it'd doubled upon itself. My NS enlistment is on 10 December 2014 - PTP-BMT for Combat-fit PES A/ B enlistees. How to report sick to see MO at Pulau Tekong? What MC/ Light Duties/ Excuses can I get to add-on to my PES?
If I do not feel well during training, how do I report sick?
You can report sick at any time should you not feel well as PTMC is manned 24/7. Please approach your BMTC instructors, who will be able to facilitate your medical consultation at the medical centre. Our fully-qualified SAF Medical Officers will make the necessary clinical assessment and the appropriate medical recommendations. You should not be apprehensive about being unfairly viewed or treated for reporting sick if you are ill. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet
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FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
It is crucial that you update your NS HRCs if you develop a new medical condition or if an existing medical condition has worsened, which may affect your ICT performance. This is so that arrangements will be made for you to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess your fitness condition for NS.
You MUST bring along all your investigation results and memorandums from your external physician or specialist during your medical review. You may be given a medical certificate for ICT deferment, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade you if your medical condition is significant, or be referred to a restructured hospital for further examination depending on the outcome of your medical review.
If your medical condition is deemed suited for ICT participation by the medical officer, you will then be allowed to attend ICT. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446