PES FAQs
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Medical issues
If you are feeling sick, let your instructor know and you can report to the medical centre for consultation or treatment.
Depending on your medical condition, the MO may excuse you from certain activities for some time. You may be asked to rest in your bunk, at the medical centre, or even at home. Those with serious conditions will be sent to the hospital for treatment.
More details on Medical for BMT@Tekong.
Commitment to Care
Want to find out more about the SAF medical system? Follow a recruit from his pre-enlistment medical examination to his encounters with the medical service during his BMT.
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Because NS life is different from civilian life before enlistment, there are many adjustments you need to make.
A good way to cope is to get support from your buddy and fellow recruits. They are going through the same tough training as you, so talking to one another will help relieve some tension.
In most evenings during your leisure time, you’ll also have some time to call your family or loved ones to talk. They can give you emotional support during NS.
You can have a one-on-one interview sessions with your officer to highlight any problems you may have. If you have a personal or family problem that need to be addressed, do let the officer know—he may be able to give you some advice or time off to settle your problems.
You will also have access to Orientation Officers who may be able to help you if the need arises.
We also have counselling hotlines for you to call if need arises. The counsellors are experienced professionals. You can call them at the following counselling hotlines:
- SAF : 1800-278 0022 (SAF Counselling Hotline)
- SPF : 1800-255 1151 (Police Psychology Service Department)
- SCDF: 1800-286 6666 (SCDF Counselling Hotline)
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
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FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.
The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT. -
Hello, I'm a PES E9L9 NSman in a NS unit.
So am I still liable for mob manning/ recall standby/ mobilisation?
Will I need to report to the mob centre with FBO (Full Battle Order)?
Please call the 24/7 NS hotline @1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer to liaise with your NS unit.
Source: www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen
Silent Mobilisation System
i. Primary Means:
The eMobilisation system will notify you via the telephone (home, office or mobile) or facsimile. It is therefore crucial that your personal details, especially your contact numbers are updated through eSelf-Update in the NS Portal (www.ns.sg).
ii. Back-up Means – Personal Contact:
A Mobilisation Order (SAF 98A/B) or Mobilisation Notice (SAF 98C/D) will be served to your home if you cannot be contacted through the primary means.
iii. The SAF 98A/B are used only during actual operations, while the SAF 98C/D are used for practices.
Open Mobilisation System
The mass media such as the television, radio, Omni-theatres and cinemas are used to inform you that your unit has been mobilised. Upon announcement of the Code words, you are required to report immediately to your Mobilisation Centre for military service/exercises in your uniform with your personal equipment. NSmen are required to apply for an Exit Permit for overseas trips of 6 months or longer. NSmen who go overseas for more than 14 days but less than 6 months must notify MINDEF of their overseas trips through the MINDEF Notification Centre (MNC). The possession of an Exit Permit or the notification or the notification of MINDEF Notification Centre does not absolve NSmen from mobilisation and to report for NS duties when required.
During mobilisation manning period, NSmen can still travel overseas but are required to seek approval from their unit to be exempted from mobilisation prior to departure. Failing which, disciplinary actions will be taken.
(C) Mobilisation Manning
Before you ORD or your first operational manning, your unit will brief you on the following:- Your unit code words. Stickers with your code words will be given to help you and your family members remember the code words.
- Mobilisation Centre location to report during mobilisation.
- Mobilisation Means. This could be through telephone, SMS, fax, email or written notices and orders.
- Frequency of Operational Manning. Manning occurs about twice a work year during which you are liable for mobilisation exercises.
- Special arrangements. If you are performing emergency
service, or your immediate absence from your work place may be critical
or hazardous to life, you need to inform your NS unit and report as soon
as your functions are satisfactorily handed over.
During mobilisation exercise, your NS unit may be required to move out for field exercises after the normal reporting is done. Being mindful of your varying commitments, the SAF will make every effort to minimise disruption to your civilian careers when mobilisation exercises are held.
How can my family support my mobilisation?
You are encouraged to keep your family members informed of your whereabouts especially during your Operational Manning Periods. They should also be informed of how and where they can contact you to facilitate your speedy mobilisation.
Your family members should also know your NS unit's code words and be prepared that you are required to remain at the unit for a longer period if the mobilisation should involves field exercises.
If you have any family members that are 16 years of age or above, they can acknowledge any call-up notice serve at your residence. Upon receipt, they must contact you immediately. - Your unit code words. Stickers with your code words will be given to help you and your family members remember the code words.
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PES E - Fit for administrative duties only.
Further subdivided into:
PES E1 – Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activities.
PES E9 – Unfit for any forms of physical activities.
PES E grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:
L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
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Hi Dr eac. My family have a history of diabetes(type 2) and high blood pressure. My mom got HBP and my dad got diabetes.
I discovered that I had diabetes(type 2) when I was 13 which is currently under control. Now just recently the doctors discovered that I have HPB too. I am currently not taking any medication for both HPB and diabetes because my diabetes is under control with lifestyle modification. But my HPB problem is going to be decided after I go to a polyclinic.
I went to CMPB for checkup today and at station 6(meeting with MO) I gave the letter written by the doctor to certify that I got HBP and diabetes. I took a look at what pes MO gave and got a shock coz it was B1L1. Even the staff at the medical counter was shock. 1 of the staff asked me"Did the MO read the letter?" "HBP very dangerous". So I got a question, is the B1L1 perm or is there a review? If it is perm is there anyway to change it? I am not trying to chao keng. I just want to play it safe.
Thanks for the reply!
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Please read point number 5 as mentioned below.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Collection Point for NSmen's Personal Equipment (PE)
NSmen who have reached their statutory age to be officially discharged from NS obligations i.e. 50 years old for officers and 40 years old for Warrant Officers & below and do not require their PE items, may return their PE at the following designated collection points:
a. Army Logistics Base (ALB)
601 Choa Chu Kang Rd
Singapore 699817
Tel: 6389 6380 / 6389 6381
b. SAF eMarts:
Army Zonal SAF Emarts
• Clementi Camp
• Jurong Camp
• Khatib Camp
• Maju Camp
• Nee Soon Camp
• Pulau Tekong Camp
• Selarang Camp
• Stagmont Camp
• Sungei Gedong Camp
• Tanjong Gul Camp
Flexi SAF Emarts
• Amoy Quee Camp
• Ayer Raja Camp
• Bedok Camp
• Bukit Panjang Camp
• Hendon Camp
• Keat Hong Camp
• Kranji Camp - ALTI
• Kranji Camp II
• Lim Chu Kang Camp
• Mandai Hill Camp
• Pasir Laba Camp
• Pasir Ris Camp
• Seletar Camp
• Sembawang Camp
*NOTE: All Flexi eMarts do not operate at fixed hour. before patronising the emarts, please call: 6389 6231 (Mon - Fri, 8am to 5.30pm).MINDEF Reserve (MR)
MINDEF Reserve consists of NSmen who have completed their NS training cycle but have yet to reach the statutory age. They are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT) but are still liable for NS.What happens after I completed my NS Training Cycle?
The minimum requirement for completion of NS Training Cycle is 7 HK and 10 ORNS years (8 HK and 13 ORNS years for Key Appointment Holders). However, you may be asked to continue your service as a Reservist On Voluntary Extended Reserve Service (ROVERS) to ensure fulfillment of operational requirements. Some ROVERS may even continue to serve beyond the statutory age of 50 and 40 for Officers and WOSE respectively as VOLUNTEERS in higher operational appointments.
Once you have completed your NS training cycle and/or standdown as ROVERS/VOUNTEER, you will be posted to the MINDEF Reserve (MR) List at the end of the work year. However, you may still be activated during operational exigencies and remain liable for NS up to the respective statutory ages.Note that you are to disregard your previous unit’s mobilisation codewords as you are no longer required to report for mobilisation activation for your previous units. A new codeword will be assigned to you accordingly should you be mobilised while you are in MR. If you are travelling overseas for 6 months or more, you are still required to apply for Exit Permit.
1. What is meant by no longer liable for National Service?
Under the Enlistment Act, Chapter 93, NSmen will not be liable for NS call-ups when they reach the statutory age limit of 40 for Warrant Officers, Specialists and Enlistees (WOSEs) and 50 for Officers. In other words, personnel reaching the stated statutory age limit will no longer be liable to be called up for any NS activities such as ICT, IPPT, mobilisation etc.
2. What should I do to my SAF personal equipment now that I have completed my NS liability?
You may dispose the items in the normal ways as long as the items do not end up in an unauthorised usage. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hi doctor nsman here.I have a specialistt memo from govt hosp stating
i'm diagnose with hypertension and taking two type of medicine,
question,should i declare it?
Because i'm already PES C9L9 pem,pe, excuse heavy load,RMJ.due to prolapsed disc l4/5 l5/s
I heard from my friend hypertension was only a temp Pes,if i declare it,will i get a temp pes instead?
if let said my temp PES expired,will my pes be change to PES B or revert back to Pes C9L9 pem
thanks
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Yes, please declare honestly and truthfully.
It will added as an additional input to your already permanent PES C range.Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.
The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/ specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
hi guys, i have a problem.
I currently down PES to C9L9 after I get posted to a new unit, I wanna ask how long does it takes for me to revocation or post out ( MO officer have suggested ),
and in this period time, I shoudn't do any training right? but I still have to takes IPPT and other training, how can I sound off to my company that I have down PES, the MO officer didn't give me any paper for me to prove that I have down graded currently. What can I do?
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1. Please check current PES and its expiry with the counter medic at the medical centre. The medic can readily see your PES on the computer just with your NRIC number. Simple. Then kindly request ask medic to print it out to show S1 Manpower Branch, Coy Office and to whom it may concern.
2. Revocation/ Post Out matters are none of medical centre business. Medical centre can only recommends a revocation/ post out. Please note that all actual manpower matters are all handled by the NS unit's S1 Manpower Branch. Therefore, please go to check with S1 Manpower Officer/ DyS1 Officer/ Chief Clerk.
3. Temporary PES downgrade is to let the person to rest, recover and recuperate well enough with sufficient time period for health conditions/ injuries deemed temporary. As simple as that.
4. As mentioned above, for all revocation/ post out matters, please check directly with the S1 Manpower Branch for all manpower issues. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hi, need some advice here. Am an NSman and got downgraded in 2011 to C2L2 with excuse RMJ permanently. Went for 1 ICT before that and was assigned as sharpshooter. After downgrade I was deferred due to studies and called back again this coming ICT. Inquired with unit to see if there was revocation but unit said no, kenna rifleman. I would have thought that C2L2 is field deployable only with unit HQ or the rear? Can someone please advise me? Thanks...
Also, what sort of activities fall under excuse RMJ? I find it odd that the unit revocated to rifleman which basicall means can chiong... but my PES status and excuse status suggest otherwise?
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Please call the 24/7 NS hotline @1800-3676767 or email [email protected] to a customer service officer to liaise with your NS unit.
- Explicitly emphasise your PES with permanent RMJ.
- PES C2 and below permanently are not required to do IPPT anymore, as in no longer combat-fit to take IPPT.
- Then query the NS unit how will a rifleman do his vocation efficiently and effectively without RMJ in a field environment?
- State clearly and strongly that since you're already a non-combat-fit NSman, you're willing to clock this ICT, but only to help out within HQ coy/ coy line to assist light duties, but not as a rifleman.
- Thereafter when in ICT, readily keep in wallet to just show your PES medical certificate to those in doubt. Then tell them if they're willing to sign an official piece of paper in black and white, "If anything happen to me under your instruction/ command, are you going to take full responsibility to me, my family and the higher echelons of the SAF?" -
Thanks for the very quick reply :)
Yup I did explicitly state that my excuse RMJ is permanent plus C2L2. However the guy at the other end was quite rude and adamant that can still go outfield, blah blah blah etc. I just found the whole thing very odd and that they are trying to play punk, despite having excuse and lower pes status permanently.
In the event they refuse to entertain my request (which i think is quite unlikely), is it possible to request for revocation, with the support of specialist memo? And bring this memo on the first day of ICT?
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Please write in email [email protected] in black and white to a customer service officer to liaise with your NS unit's S1 Manpower Branch.Attention the email to S1 Manpower Officer, Deputy S1 Officer and Chief Clerk.
Explicitly emphasise your non-combat-fit status, no longer do IPPT anymore, that you're only fit for light duties, that is Att B status. Therefore, be firm to state that you're willing to clock this ICT count, but only help out within HQ coy/ coy line.
Notes:
Revocation/ Post Out matters are none of medical centre business. Medical centre can only recommends a revocation/ post out. Please note that all actual manpower matters are all handled by the NS unit's S1 Manpower Branch. Therefore, please go to check with S1 Manpower Officer/ DyS1 Officer/ Chief Clerk.
As mentioned above, for all revocation/ post out matters, please check directly with the S1 Manpower Branch for all manpower issues.
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ok, thanks for your help!
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Excuse heavy loads.
How?
SBO is okay, FBO is not.
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Medical screening is a series of medical tests done at the Medical Classification Centre (MCC) at CMPB (location map).
The objective of these tests is to ascertain your medical condition and accord you a suitable Physical Employment Status (PES). Based on your PES, you will be assigned to a suitable vocation.
Here are the various PES gradings:
- PES A: Fit for all combat vocations
- PES B1: Fit for most combat vocations
- PES B2: Fit for some combat vocations
- PES BP: Fit for obese BMT training
- PES C: Fit for combat support vocations
- PES D: Temporary unfit for grading and pending further review
- PES E: Fit for administrative duties only
- PES F: Medically unfit for any form of service
Note that if you are given a PES D grading, it means that more time/tests are required to confirm your medical condition. This normally takes about 2-3 months. However, this duration may be longer depending on your medical condition.
More information on Medical Classification Centre (NS Portal).
Commitment to Care
Want to find out more about the SAF medical system? Follow a recruit from his pre-enlistment medical examination to his encounters with the medical service during his BMT.
Medical Classification Centre
Location and Operating Hours
Our Address
MCC is located at Level 1, CMPB Podium.
Central Manpower Base (CMPB)
3 Depot Road
Singapore 109680
Our Operating Hours
Mondays - Fridays: 8:00 am to 5:00 pm
Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays: Closed
Pre-enlistment Medical Screening
Prior to enlistment, all pre-enlistees have to undergo a thorough medical examination at the Medical Classification Centre (MCC) within the Central Manpower Base (CMPB). This examination allows the medical fitness of a pre-enlistee to be assessed and this subsequently determines his Physical Employment Status (PES).
Medical Screening Appointment Preparations
As part of the e-documentation, you are also required to select your preferred medical appointment date as well as to complete the medical questionnaire (e7F). You will need to go through the medical questionnaire form with your parents / guardian so that useful medical information about you is captured.
To ensure that your medical experience with us is pleasant and that the overall screening process is not unnecessarily delayed, we have compiled a checklist for you:
- Print out a copy of the medical questionnaire (e7F) and ensure that your parent / guardian and you sign on the printed document. Bring the e7F on the day of your medical appointment at MCC.
- Avoid wearing contact lenses. Wear your spectacles as you will be required to undergo eye checks.
- Wear loose fitting clothes (e.g. shorts) to facilitate physical examination.
- Bring along any medical documents to support your existing medical condition (if any).
- Health Booklet (if any).
Clinical Examinations
The medical screening process takes on average 150 minutes to complete and there is a series of test that you will have to undertake.
Registration Station
At MCC Registration Counter, you will be required to submit your e7F. As a form of verification, you will be asked for your NRIC or any form of photo identification (e.g. driving license, school pass.)
Clinical Laboratory Station
At the Clinical Laboratory Station blood samples are drawn for G6PD, haemoglobin and blood group typing tests. Simple urine tests to detect the presence of blood, protein and glucose (sugar) will also be carried out for you at the Station.
Dental Station
At the Dental Station, the Dental Officer will carry out an oral examination and Dental Charting. A Dental X-ray or Orthopantomography (OPG) will also be conducted.
X- ray Station
A Chest x-ray (CXR) screening will also be conducted for you at the X-ray Station for the radiological assessment of your heart and lungs.
Eye Station
At the Eye Station routine eye tests are carried out to detect eye abnormalities and test your visual and refractive error.
ENT (Ear, Nose & Throat) Station
At ENT Station an audio test or audiogram will be conducted to detect hearing abnormalities.
Station 6 (Clinical Examination Station)
Station 6 is the Clinical Examination Station, you will undergo height, weight and blood pressure measurements. An electrocardiogram (ECG) will also be done for you in the ECG Room.
After completion of all the clinical investigations and measurements, you will then be examined and evaluated by a Medical officer.
Station 6 Counter (Post Clinical Screening)
Once you have completed the above series of medical screening, you will be medically classified with a PES grading.
Station 6 Counter will also issue instructions for the pre-enlistee if the pre-enlistee is to return to MCC for any further medical investigations.
Other Services
MCC Eye Clinic
The Specialist Eye Clinic at MCC provides medical assessment for eye conditions. An appointment will be made for you during the screening procedure should it be deemed necessary. Please bring all documents regarding any known eye condition for your appointment.
MCC ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat) Clinic)
The Specialist ENT Clinic provides pre-enlistment assessment for ENT complaints. You will be informed if there is a need for you to attend this clinic.
MCC Specialist Psychiatric Clinic
The Specialist Psychiatric Clinic at MCC aims to assess the suitability of a pre-enlistee with regard to psychiatric conditions already known or discovered during the screening process. It is essential to have one parent accompany you should an appointment be made for you and it would greatly shorten the delay to enlistment if you bring all your pre-existing psychiatric medical records for your appointment.
MCC Specialist Orthopedic Clinic
The specialist orthopedic clinic has the purpose of grading a pre-enlistee with regard to any orthopedic problems. A medical officer will be in attendance together with a senior doctor from one of the restructured hospitals. Here we will grade you based on your orthopedic problems. Please bring all medical reports and X-ray films for this visit.
Medical Review
A pre-enlistee with any abnormalities noted during the medical screening will be required to undergo medical review. This can take several forms as appropriately decided by the Medical Officer.
Referral to SAF Military Medicine Institute (MMI) / Government / Restructured Hospitals
The pre-enlistee may be referred to SAF MMI, government / restructured hospitals for further investigations. If the referral is required, he will be given a set of documents to bring along as well as information regarding the date, time and venue.
