Not just NS, alot of laws in singapore favour women, ie; women's charter.
Till date, I've served NS and several high key ICTs already. Waste of my time and company's time. My company is not supportive of me going ICT too, end up the women colleagues in my department have to take on my workload, on top of their already heavy workload.
When I returned from ICT, alot of things at work for me to clear also. So, the 2 weeks after ICT, I would be doing OTs every night for 2 weeks!
Not say ppl complain alot (no smoke without fire) but it is really unfair to be born male in Singapore. I've came so far, don't think I'll go for sex change ops or migrate out. Waiting for MR to come faster.
I remembered my ex collague, who got called up and that time, happened that he need to go business trip, too bad, cancelled it off. Then one of my female colleague took over. (*##(#&$(*&(!!!!!!
Originally posted by fudgester:Just one question:
Have you done NS, and if so, in what capacity?
Why? How is this relevant to this gender-equality issue?
Yes I have already wasted 2.5 years in NS as a PES B.
reduce NS duration? Then there's no time to train occifers.
Originally posted by Phorum Noob:Go BMT. Whoever likes to "serve" so much can sign on as their own personal "choice", while the rest can move on to real jobs. Those who have already wasted their youth serving 2.5 years or more should be fairly compensated.
..as earlier posted...
Originally posted by fudgester:Just one question:
Have you done NS, and if so, in what capacity?
does it matter if he has been a slave?
female mandatory protection aka women charter is the beginning of all sexism
Originally posted by Fcukpap:female mandatory protection aka women charter is the beginning of all sexism
it is sexism...
it tries its hardest to inflict a lot of things on men... which the women don't really need..
and in the long run, both genders suffer..
there is no gender war... it is caused by people who see sexism everywhere.. and inflict their brand of "equality" where there was "equity"
which is more important?
it will have to begin with the system to make us see the balance...
to be able to share that balance, women should begin to make the system see
than to enjoy in the ride of "equality" brought to you at the expense of another
we cannot respect a system that fails to balance
Originally posted by likeyou:I wont mind increase reservist years.
But think about those who are actually useful, those whose time,energy and talent are actually worth a shit. They should be doing their own work and contributing to the society in a proper way so that people can benefit, instead of going back every year to fuck spiders.
Originally posted by sbst275:reduce NS duration? Then there's no time to train occifers.
Then perhaps a system like what 'likeyou' said could work. OCS people and those who signed on do 24 months, the others do 12 months.
Originally posted by Siliconchip:But think about those who are actually useful, those whose time,energy and talent are actually worth a shit. They should be doing their own work and contributing to the society in a proper way so that people can benefit, instead of going back every year to fuck spiders.
Isn't it always like that in life..some like it, some don't....well I guess, most people here when looked back, I won' t said enjoyable but it's isn't that bad. But most of us won't wanna go through the same thing again. But some people like it becos they said it allowed their mind to go take a rest from the stressful job.
Originally posted by tarutaru:Isn't it always like that in life..some like it, some don't....well I guess, most people here when looked back, I won' t said enjoyable but it's isn't that bad. But most of us won't wanna go through the same thing again. But some people like it becos they said it allowed their mind to go take a rest from the stressful job.
Well, the issue is not whether people enjoy NS or not, but whether NS is good for us or detrimental. Just because guy enjoy the experience does not mean that it is worth the time, money, effort, or energy right? Just like playing CoD for 12 hours through the night could be enjoyable and and it gives people a break, but it is obviously a big bloody waste!
Originally posted by Siliconchip:Well, the issue is not whether people enjoy NS or not, but whether NS is good for us or detrimental. Just because guy enjoy the experience does not mean that it is worth the time, money, effort, or energy right? Just like playing CoD for 12 hours through the night could be enjoyable and and it gives people a break, but it is obviously a big bloody waste!
As I said, those who enjoy, don't think it's a waste....those who hate think it is.....no pt kept arguing over this....i seen this topic popping up every now and then.
Originally posted by Culture counter:SBS2601D: Whatever time you have spent in NS is considered as time served for National Service. For some people time may pass quickly because they are in combat, for some there would be a lot of saikang time. But whatever it is, precious time still passes on. Male Singaporeans will lose 2 years of precious time and lag behind S'porean females as well as foreigners, in terms of further studies and career progression.
You were probably a commando man to have done 9 months of training for the red beret. Perhaps they could modify & reduce the training to adapt to the local needs & requirements.
You are very wrong. On all counts. Especially the last paragraph. My "long" training, is not long by most standards.
Very clearly either you have not served. Or you never bothered to see the logic of serving.
Which is fine.
We don't need people like you in need.
I don't feel that I lagged behind. In fact, NS gave me a break from studying and allowed me to refocus on what I want.
Originally posted by Phorum Noob:Its not only the 2 years. But females should also serve, and have to cut their hair short and dyed black every year during reservice.
Those who have wasted their 2.5 years or even 3 years of their youth in the past weren't properly compensated also.
No thank you.
We had plenty of troubles integrating the training for both sexes back when I was in BMT.
One of the WOs, an old man, even had to lift one of the char boh's fieldpack for every route march.
You tell me "segregate training somemore" and I ask "join army for f*ck"?
Originally posted by likeyou:For nsf, 12 months training.
For regular or sign on, 24 months traning.
Regular and sign on must be fully fit and knowledgeable.
For ocs, 24 mths as they will be train to become officer.
For cpl and below, 12mths will do.
How about that?
Anyway, mindef, ministers or the authorities will not even want to heard about it.
I got my CPL rank only after 10 months. And that marked the beginning of my unit life.
12 months serve for f*ck?
I went through all those training that I disliked and I actually looked forward to some semblence of more normal military life.
Of cos the military would not cut the NS further.
You do realise the training is practically useless once you get to unit life? Unit life is where the real training begins. Especially in the unit I was posted to.
I'll bet you haven't served SG with your time and soul and energy yet.
Originally posted by Siliconchip:Then perhaps a system like what 'likeyou' said could work. OCS people and those who signed on do 24 months, the others do 12 months.
then who wants to go command school like tat?
sometimes many of e suggestions are creating more legacy problem than e current arrangement
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No thank you.We had plenty of troubles integrating the training for both sexes back when I was in BMT.
One of the WOs, an old man, even had to lift one of the char boh's fieldpack for every route march.
You tell me "segregate training somemore" and I ask "join army for f*ck"?
Like I've said, NS isn't all about military training. There are loads of sai-kang females can waste a significant part of their youth on, and come back to reservice and cut their hair every year.
I passed out completely due to my body overheating since I don't sweat enough and poor physique during road-marches, but I still have to waste my time as a sai-kang specialist storeman after BMT and working with aholes and all that darkpolitics inside.
Yes most men are physically stronger than most women, but that's not necessarily the case for all. There are plenty of women who are tougher than me for instance. Further, society expects ALL men to be emotionally and physically tough and beast-like (which isn't the case for every guys), but women don't have to live by this stupid expectation, and that is in itself sexism.
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I got my CPL rank only after 10 months. And that marked the beginning of my unit life.12 months serve for f*ck?
I went through all those training that I disliked and I actually looked forward to some semblence of more normal military life.
Of cos the military would not cut the NS further.
You do realise the training is practically useless once you get to unit life? Unit life is where the real training begins. Especially in the unit I was posted to.
I'll bet you haven't served SG with your time and soul and energy yet.
And as I've already said, if you love the military so much then fine. Go sign on.
For the rest, BMT and f-off. And for those who have already wasted their life in NS for 2.5 years or more, they should be compensated.
NS isn't for everyone. After having served NS and encountering so many a-holes inside, I don't feel SG is worth my life defending anymore, especially having to fight with these kind of low lifes. I'd probably bring my family and friends to safety when the time comes like what most ministers would.
And back to the focus of this topic. NS for males only, and having to do reservice every year and abide by the stupid rule (have to cut hair, dye it black, various risk of being $$$fined$$$ or worse, etc) just because we are born as guys, is just blantant sexism.
People who suffered from permanent physical damage while being an underpaid slave to NS should also be able to sue the military.
Originally posted by sbst275:
then who wants to go command school like tat?sometimes many of e suggestions are creating more legacy problem than e current arrangement
Just serve BMT and f-off would be at least reasonable, although still sexist if only male-people have to do some form of NS (+ reservice). And those nuts who love the brain-dead military so much can sign on and waste more of their life inside, while the rest can get on with their real lives.
Originally posted by Phorum Noob:Just serve BMT and f-off would be at least reasonable, although still sexist if only male-people have to do some form of NS (+ reservice). And those nuts who love the brain-dead military so much can sign on and waste more of their life inside, while the rest can get on with their real lives.
then who is really going to defend the country at any time?
We can get ppl to sign on, implications? You want MRT, you want to spend on this, now you also want to increase defence spending to keep a regular army.
Yet no one wants to pay more taxes
This is not e Republican US who goes around sprouting things tat's impossible to be done.
I'll be fair here, If the ladies are going to serve? Who is going to take care our meals, kids and house chores? I may have been exempted haven't been the pain you guys went through but who is going to take care of our 'basic stuff' ?
And who is going to give 'that' to you when you need it? Don't forget.
Originally posted by TIB1167D:I'll be fair here, If the ladies are going to serve? Who is going to take care our meals, kids and house chores? I may have been exempted haven't been the pain you guys went through but who is going to take care of our 'basic stuff' ?
And who is going to give 'that' to you when you need it? Don't forget.
Not every "ladies" are going to get married anyway, some might not even be able to get a boyfriend or get married (or want to), and not all females are gonna be housewifes anyway; and many of them want a career nowadays. Regardless of your gender, those gender-expectations of females are sexist too.