Enlist Commandos as an NSF: Self Express Interest @ CMPB?
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Blunt, blunt, blunt. You're just not very sharp, are you?
I'm more than happy to attribute my personal success to what I learned at 1CDO, but could you please quote where I said that ALL businessmen should be ex-Commandos? There's no such quote because you're making things up.
Let me put the right perspective on your argument. Being too negative comes off as an inferiority complex and a sad distortion of the positive truth. Just because you had a bad time in NS doesn't mean everybody has to.
We don't know each other from a bar of soap, but some of the guys on the forum know the story of my entry into Commandos well enough. You're right - I didn't want to go to Commandos at the time I got called up for the VA. I tried my best to not get selected, so when the interviewing sergeant asked me if I wanted to go to Commandos, I asked him if I had a choice. When he said no, I said, "What the fuck are you asking me that question for then?".
As it turns out, it was a major miscalculation because that was precisely the attitude they were looking for. I found myself in the company of likeminded hellraisers who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done. We made our own rules, ran our own show and achieved our own goals. So sure, I had a great time, even if it was by accident.
I'm just curious - what have you achieved with your life to date? I can't see how you would have done much seeing as how you're so bitter and twisted.
Anyway, while we're in the mood for being blunt, when it comes to Commando-related matters, I'm speaking from personal experience, while you're making wild postulations and accusations. I'll leave it at that and let the TS make up his own mind about who's got a good grip on things and who's off with the fairies.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Blunt, blunt, blunt. You're just not very sharp, are you?
I'm more than happy to attribute my personal success to what I learned at 1CDO, but could you please quote where I said that ALL businessmen should be ex-Commandos? There's no such quote because you're making things up.
Let me put the right perspective on your argument. Being too negative comes off as an inferiority complex and a sad distortion of the positive truth. Just because you had a bad time in NS doesn't mean everybody has to.
We don't know each other from a bar of soap, but some of the guys on the forum know the story of my entry into Commandos well enough. You're right - I didn't want to go to Commandos at the time I got called up for the VA. I tried my best to not get selected, so when the interviewing sergeant asked me if I wanted to go to Commandos, I asked him if I had a choice. When he said no, I said, "What the fuck are you asking me that question for then?".
As it turns out, it was a major miscalculation because that was precisely the attitude they were looking for. I found myself in the company of likeminded hellraisers who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done. We made our own rules, ran our own show and achieved our own goals. So sure, I had a great time, even if it was by accident.
I'm just curious - what have you achieved with your life to date? I can't see how you would have done much seeing as how you're so bitter and twisted.
Anyway, while we're in the mood for being blunt, when it comes to Commando-related matters, I'm speaking from personal experience, while you're making wild postulations and accusations. I'll leave it at that and let the TS make up his own mind about who's got a good grip on things and who's off with the fairies.
You mean, all who went to CDO will always become successful and don't who didn't will be losers?
So those who are bitter and negative about NS will always be failures in life?
Since you deem I'm a loser, then why do you bother so much with this loser? Yes, I didn't go CDO and I feel I'm lucky that I didn't and I'm perfectly fine that way.
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"who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done."
The same wouldn't fare well in civilian world where there're rules and processes to be followed. Processes and whether it was done properly/safely are also important.
No wonder so many accidents and deaths in CDO!
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To Sheradine (threadstarter):
After all the exchanges in this thread, I hope you have an understanding how most armies in the world work:
The blunt and harsh truths.....
1. They don't care about your injuries unless you're dead
2. They don't care if you're really not coping well or tired unless you're dead
3. They don't care about safety, they don't care about proper procedures/process (in paper, they talk like they regard safety but it's all bullsh*t).If you still interested to go cdo or even sign on as a regular, I sincerely hope you'll be lucky enough to ORD alive in one piece and then join the ranks of Gedanken to rejoice that cdo training is good. Hope you won't be unlucky to suffer life-long injuries or even die due to the harsh, relentless, unprivileged and merciless conditions in the army.
Ultimately, it is YOUR choice. Bless you, you need lots of good luck in the army.
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To Sheradine again:
You see, there are also politics and "dirty play" in army, even worse than civilian life's politics because politics in army can cost you a limp or a life!
Rules in army can be bent against you to your disadvantages....
Refer to below thread:
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/431931
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The point here is that a positive experience is yours to make. It can't be given to you if you don't want it.
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Originally posted by alize:
The point here is that a positive experience is yours to make. It can't be given to you if you don't want it.
Such words are nice to say, nice to read but totally unpractical in real life. Save it for poetry corner.
To be blunt/direct: whether an event is positive or not, it takes 2 hands to clap.
If 1 hand (army) keep on holding needle between fingers to jab the other hand (servicemen), yes it can still clap but VERY PAINFUL. And, you can still lie by saying that it's not really painful and say what's most important is the 2 hands clapped successfully <--- this is what most shallow "positive" people says.
Yes, I enjoy being blunt rather than to lie that I'm sharp just for the sake of being nice.
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Let me say that I tried my best to be posted to a slack unit, and I succeeded. I am PES A. I was accused of kenging every day and punished for small things.
Yes, everyone in camp was treated better than me. But I took it in stride and enjoyed my 5 minute walk from camp to home every day, and I got even in many ways. I went out at night and literally slept on the job.
No amount of extra can make that a negative experience as compared to a chiong, stay-in unit.
Many of my mates were from such units and made it sound fun. I agreed but I would not have wanted to stay in camp 24/7 forgoing the use of my dick.
I made this positive experience for myself.
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Originally posted by alize:
Let me say that I tried my best to be posted to a slack unit, and I succeeded. I am PES A. I was accused of kenging every day and punished for small things.
Yes, everyone in camp was treated better than me. But I took it in stride and enjoyed my 5 minute walk from camp to home every day, and I got even in many ways. I went out at night and literally slept on the job.
No amount of extra can make that a negative experience as compared to a chiong, stay-in unit.
Many of my mates were from such units and made it sound fun. I agreed but I would not have wanted to stay in camp 24/7 forgoing the use of my dick.
I made this positive experience for myself.
in this case, you were still unlucky cos there're slack units and people are still treated well.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
in this case, you were still unlucky cos there're slack units and people are still treated well.
I am aware of that. Fortunately I got the slackest, stay out unit that allows me to sleep within 5 minutes of my house. Are you satisfied?
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Originally posted by alize:
I am aware of that. Fortunately I got the slackest, stay out unit that allows me to sleep within 5 minutes of my house. Are you satisfied?
Which unit is that, may I ask?
So that TS can also take in as reference.
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deployment is based on unit manpower requirements at time of intake....u can't choose or express interest....irrelevant.
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To Sheradine (threadstarter):
Another "accidental" death in the army.... For your re-consideration.
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/432330
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Originally posted by merkava4:
deployment is based on unit manpower requirements at time of intake....u can't choose or express interest....irrelevant.
This is where the authorities are wrong...
If people express interest to the "siong" units, they should allow. Why force unwilling people like Gedanken to where they don't like to go? Then the regulars would have an easier time with NSFs who are willing.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
I found myself in the company of likeminded hellraisers who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done. We made our own rules, ran our own show and achieved our own goals. So sure, I had a great time, even if it was by accident.
I heard that some of these "goals" are as simple as moving by night and showing up at a set time and place on an opposite end of Singapore (or somewhere in the exercise host country). Whatever the section does during the day (to include eating out, sleeping in a hide etc) is no one else's concern.
So "siong" units have their perks.
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Originally posted by alize:
I heard that some of these "goals" are as simple as moving by night and showing up at a set time and place on an opposite end of Singapore (or somewhere in the exercise host country). Whatever the section does during the day (to include eating out, sleeping in a hide etc) is no one else's concern.
So "siong" units have their perks.
Unfortunately, such superficial "perks" are unable to make up for life-long injuries or death....
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Well too bad.
I enjoyed my NS tremendously.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Well too bad.
I enjoyed my NS tremendously.
You must be one of those very lucky ones to have ORDed in one piece and actually enjoyed it!
I'm only abit lucky to have ORDed in one piece but I didn't enjoy my NS.
You should not say "too bad" for those unlucky ones who have life-long injuries or died. They could also be your father, brother, son or grandson!!!
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I wont say too bad to some of my colleagues who lost their lives or were maimed.
Of cos not.
But their sacrifice were made so you could sleep at night in peace.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I wont say too bad to some of my colleagues who lost their lives or were maimed.
Of cos not.
But their sacrifice were made so you could sleep at night in peace.
Again, you were wrong.
They need not have sacrificed a limp/life and we (singaporeans and foreigners) would still sleep at night in peace.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Again, you were wrong.
They need not have sacrificed a limp/life and we (singaporeans and foreigners) would still sleep at night in peace.
Absolutely wrong.But its good.
Good to know that ignorance is bliss.
But for these men and women who are in the front-line, their sacrifices aren't in vain.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Absolutely wrong.But its good.
Good to know that ignorance is bliss.
But for these men and women who are in the front-line, their sacrifices aren't in vain.
No, in the case of army's living conditions, politics, power-play, it is definitely NOT "ignorance is bliss".
What front line? Singapore never went to war, yet over the decades, we have so many servicemen who lost a limp, injured for life and died during training.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
No, in the case of army's living conditions, politics, power-play, it is definitely NOT "ignorance is bliss".
What front line? Singapore never went to war, yet over the decades, we have so many servicemen who lost a limp, injured for life and died during training.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
There's many things civilians like us don't know and its best we don't ask.No, we have a right to know.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
No, we have a right to know.
We might.But I think it would make your balls shrink.