Enlist Commandos as an NSF: Self Express Interest @ CMPB?
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
To Sheradine (threadstarter):
Another "accidental" death in the army.... For your re-consideration.
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/432330
Oh dearie me, not only have you been repeatedly posting to someone who hasn’t returned since he started the thread, you’ve had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to the extent that you’re crowing about someone who died jogging? You really need to get a life.
No, really – apart from ranting and flapping about uselessly on this thread, what have you achieved over the past two weeks? I mean, really, can you name someone who's actually believed your bullsh- oh sorry, "blunt truth"?Anyway, do carry on – I’ll need some amusement the next time I’m waiting for my IT guys to get their meez sorted out.
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
There's many things civilians like us don't know and its best we don't ask.
Nope, nothing’s ever happened. You can all sleep soundly.
Originally posted by alize:I heard that some of these "goals" are as simple as moving by night and showing up at a set time and place on an opposite end of Singapore (or somewhere in the exercise host country). Whatever the section does during the day (to include eating out, sleeping in a hide etc) is no one else's concern.
So "siong" units have their perks.
Navexes do make for a nice break, but once you’re operational that’s just the warm-up for overseas exercises.
The goals I’m talking about are what’s actually listed in mission statements, e.g. “By 0300 hrs on 20110615, Company X will destroy Target ABC”. The more quickly and efficiently we achieve the goal, the better.
Case in point is a BTEC (I believe they call it ATEC these days) exercise we had against an unnamed Guards unit. While most of our guys were fighting a textbook battle, four clever fellows found a gap in the Guards’ lines, strolled right into battalion HQ and took out the CO, S2 and S3. Game over, and we saved ourselves a couple of hours of running about.Yes, it was a training exercise, but it illustrates what I mean, and besides, we do have to mind OSA, don't we?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh dearie me, not only have you been repeatedly posting to someone who hasn’t returned since he started the thread, you’ve had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to the extent that you’re crowing about someone who died jogging? You really need to get a life.
No, really – apart from ranting and flapping about uselessly on this thread, what have you achieved over the past two weeks? I mean, really, can you name someone who's actually believed your bullsh- oh sorry, "blunt truth"?Anyway, do carry on – I’ll need some amusement the next time I’m waiting for my IT guys to get their meez sorted out.
You are from a unit "who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done" and you are indeed lucky to ORD in one piece and actually enjoyed it. Do spare a thought for those who are not as lucky as you!
The tone you talked to me reeks of sarcasm and arrogance. Just because you're lucky doesn't give you the right to look down on others. Since you already deem everyone who are non-commando as "losers" why do you bother to continue replying to me?
Same usual trick, nothing to say, call other's opinions as "amusement". If what I've been saying is "amusement" or even funny to you, then you must be really sick. If it happened to someone close to you, I don't think you will call a funeral as "amusement".
commando is still human, not superhuman, not immune to injuries/death. Hope you continue to be lucky and your brother/son are as lucky as you.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
We might.But I think it would make your balls shrink.
Why would it "make ... balls shrink"?
Elaborate.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Case in point is a BTEC (I believe they call it ATEC these days) exercise we had against an unnamed Guards unit. While most of our guys were fighting a textbook battle, four clever fellows found a gap in the Guards’ lines, strolled right into battalion HQ and took out the CO, S2 and S3. Game over, and we saved ourselves a couple of hours of running about.
Oh my, was this the incident described here that someone alleged to have involved a SIR battalion and a subsequent coverup?
His account sounds very similar to yours, perhaps this guy got it wrong. Then again, it occurred subsequent to your service. The same hellraisers may very well have repeated their craft to despatch the now-General.
It seems in this case, playing by the rules of real life was not appreciated.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Case in point is a BTEC (I believe they call it ATEC these days) exercise we had against an unnamed Guards unit. While most of our guys were fighting a textbook battle, four clever fellows found a gap in the Guards’ lines, strolled right into battalion HQ and took out the CO, S2 and S3. Game over, and we saved ourselves a couple of hours of running about.IF you had the same weapons and uniforms, I could believe a literal stroll into the HQ area took place.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Why would it "make ... balls shrink"?
Elaborate.
And have MD...uh...what?Eh, the intel component of SAF come after me? I dont think so...
I forgot the name of that branch.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
"who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done."
if that's what cdo is all about, i'm lookinf forward for it :)
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Jun 15, 2011
A COMMANDO trainee suffered heat injuries while undergoing jungle training in Brunei.
Full-time national serviceman (NSF) Private Ho Sze Zheng (above), 21, collapsed while on an eight-hour 'swamp walk' which required trainees to navigate a 2-km stretch through the Bruneian jungles and rivers. The NSF is conscious, though intubated, and is now recovering in the Singapore General Hospital's intensive care unit.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_680108.html
I guess June isn't the time to be walking through a hot swamp or jungle.
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I can imagine its super hot and humid.
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It's primary tropical rainforest. Heat and moisture are trapped by layers of vertical cover, which also blocks out the wind. It is much hotter than any otherwise similar place.
If they helivac-ed him, they would have been lucky to find a landing zone. Maybe they winched him up.
I wonder if JCC participants go through the same swamp walk.
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Originally posted by lkidultkitl:
if that's what cdo is all about, i'm lookinf forward for it :)
You got selected? Hope you are lucky enough to ORD in one piece and actually enjoyed it and then you can join Gedanken to rejoice cdo training is good.
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Originally posted by alize:
Jun 15, 2011
A COMMANDO trainee suffered heat injuries while undergoing jungle training in Brunei.
Full-time national serviceman (NSF) Private Ho Sze Zheng (above), 21, collapsed while on an eight-hour 'swamp walk' which required trainees to navigate a 2-km stretch through the Bruneian jungles and rivers. The NSF is conscious, though intubated, and is now recovering in the Singapore General Hospital's intensive care unit.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_680108.html
I guess June isn't the time to be walking through a hot swamp or jungle.
He's lucky he didn't die... Hope he enjoys walking thru the swamp and can say walking thru swamps is a good experience.
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"who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done"
To Sheradine:
Whether the job was done properly and safely are more important than just having the job done. There's a reason why there are so many accidents and deaths in commando unit. Hope you read this point and re-consider....
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
You are from a unit "who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done" and you are indeed lucky to ORD in one piece and actually enjoyed it. Do spare a thought for those who are not as lucky as you!
The tone you talked to me reeks of sarcasm and arrogance. Just because you're lucky doesn't give you the right to look down on others. Since you already deem everyone who are non-commando as "losers" why do you bother to continue replying to me?
Same usual trick, nothing to say, call other's opinions as "amusement". If what I've been saying is "amusement" or even funny to you, then you must be really sick. If it happened to someone close to you, I don't think you will call a funeral as "amusement".
commando is still human, not superhuman, not immune to injuries/death. Hope you continue to be lucky and your brother/son are as lucky as you.
Here we go. Where shall I start?
What I find terribly amusing is how your "blunt truths" simply highlight your hysteria.
Unlike you, I'll go with straight facts instead of some megalomanic claim to "the truth". 210 men went through training with me, and in 21 years, one man has experienced significant injuries in the course of our work. Don't get too excited - this guy worked his way back from near-death, is still serving in the formation and is still a major advocate for the unit. Since his injury, he has mentored plenty of officers across the SAF, and he's nothing short of a bloody inspiration.
You're obviously logic challenged, so I'll spoonfeed you with the math: this one guy represents less than 0.5% of my cohort. Sure I'm glad I have my health, but "lucky to ORD in one piece"? The numbers themselves show how absurd that is.
Look, if you're so terrified of injury and death, who do anything at all? After all, you could get hit by a bus while crossing the road to the chicken rice stall, and if you were "lucky" enough to get to the other side in one piece, you could choke to death on a chicken bone while having your lunch. By your reasoning, you may as well pack it all in right now.
Death is a part of life, and for people who do our kind of work, it simply comes with the territory. We're not cavalier about it, but neither are we morose about it. I perfectly understand that you're too much of a nervous nelly for that sort of thing, so it's just as well that you can leave it to the guys who are grown up enough to deal with it.
Now, if you want to cry about me calling you a nervous nelly, knock yourself out - it'll just get lost in the mounds of rubbish that you spew anyway. Note, however, that I have at no point called you a loser. That's a term that your inferiority complex has slapped on you, and seeing as how you and your complex are having a neurotic love-fest over there, I'd much rather stay out of it if it's all right with you.
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Originally posted by alize:
Oh my, was this the incident described here that someone alleged to have involved a SIR battalion and a subsequent coverup?
His account sounds very similar to yours, perhaps this guy got it wrong. Then again, it occurred subsequent to your service. The same hellraisers may very well have repeated their craft to despatch the now-General.
It seems in this case, playing by the rules of real life was not appreciated.
Nope. The exercise I'm talking about took place in 1992.
Originally posted by alize:IF you had the same weapons and uniforms, I could believe a literal stroll into the HQ area took place.Don't know what it's like these days, but back then the OPFOR wore Temasek green instead of camo.
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Originally posted by alize:
Jun 15, 2011
A COMMANDO trainee suffered heat injuries while undergoing jungle training in Brunei.
Full-time national serviceman (NSF) Private Ho Sze Zheng (above), 21, collapsed while on an eight-hour 'swamp walk' which required trainees to navigate a 2-km stretch through the Bruneian jungles and rivers. The NSF is conscious, though intubated, and is now recovering in the Singapore General Hospital's intensive care unit.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_680108.html
I guess June isn't the time to be walking through a hot swamp or jungle.
Wow, that actually made the papers? I went wonky after a 6km FBO run in 46-degree heat and nobody batted an eyelid.
Well, actually, that's not true. When I came to in the hospital the next day, the medics gave me a standing ovation. I have absolutely no memory of it, but by their account, the MO was grumbling about being dragged in to the A&E, and I sat bolt upright and let off a 60-second blue streak in four languages at him.
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Originally posted by lkidultkitl:
if that's what cdo is all about, i'm lookinf forward for it :)
Here's the caveat: it's not about being haywire, it's about being self-managed. If you don't have your act together, you can be reasonably sure the guys around you will let you know how unimpressed they are on no uncertain terms.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Here we go. Where shall I start?
What I find terribly amusing is how your "blunt truths" simply highlight your hysteria.
Unlike you, I'll go with straight facts instead of some megalomanic claim to "the truth". 210 men went through training with me, and in 21 years, one man has experienced significant injuries in the course of our work. Don't get too excited - this guy worked his way back from near-death, is still serving in the formation and is still a major advocate for the unit. Since his injury, he has mentored plenty of officers across the SAF, and he's nothing short of a bloody inspiration.
You're obviously logic challenged, so I'll spoonfeed you with the math: this one guy represents less than 0.5% of my cohort. Sure I'm glad I have my health, but "lucky to ORD in one piece"? The numbers themselves show how absurd that is.
Look, if you're so terrified of injury and death, who do anything at all? After all, you could get hit by a bus while crossing the road to the chicken rice stall, and if you were "lucky" enough to get to the other side in one piece, you could choke to death on a chicken bone while having your lunch. By your reasoning, you may as well pack it all in right now.
Death is a part of life, and for people who do our kind of work, it simply comes with the territory. We're not cavalier about it, but neither are we morose about it. I perfectly understand that you're too much of a nervous nelly for that sort of thing, so it's just as well that you can leave it to the guys who are grown up enough to deal with it.
Now, if you want to cry about me calling you a nervous nelly, knock yourself out - it'll just get lost in the mounds of rubbish that you spew anyway. Note, however, that I have at no point called you a loser. That's a term that your inferiority complex has slapped on you, and seeing as how you and your complex are having a neurotic love-fest over there, I'd much rather stay out of it if it's all right with you.
Does YOUR cohort represent 100% of the unit? Your tone you speak to me is getting worse to worse, now you sound like jeering which makes you sound absurd.
The reportings of deaths in cdo from the newspapers (over the decades) are the proof and who knows how many accidents and deaths in cdo are "unreported". I use "unreported" because cdo unit is "talented" in "covering up". Remember that year when cdo was found cheating and banned from best unit competition? Totally in line with what you said - "who didn't care what was done as long as the job was done"
Names calling again: "rubbish that you spew", " nervous nelly"...
If I'm what saying is rubbish, why do you keep on replying to me? To entertain this "rubbish"?
Anyone would be anxious about his/her own safety. Even a mother would be anxious if her son is going to cdo even if she have other sons. It shows a human life is very valuable, which I think you don't value human lives very much from what you said. If a trainee of yours died, would you think it's only "less than 0.5% of your cohort"? (your exact words quoted)
Again I phrase it back to you, if that trainee is your brother/son, would you think it's only "less than 0.5% of your cohort"? So, only if it is 50% of your cohort who got killed in cdo training, otherwise you won't even care since it's only a tiny percentage?
Really sad to see a thing like you to degrade human lives as statistics!!!! You're not even fit to be called a HUMAN!!!
Yes, I could be kill by bus or chicken bone, thanks for reminding me. But the risk of getting killed in cdo unit is much much higher than those 2 since the unit "didn't care what was done as long as the job was done" and hence not caring about proper procedure and safety.
With a thing like you being the trainer, I would really worry for anyone (even if he is not related to me) who got enlisted into cdo.
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To Sheradine (threadstarter):
Exchanges in this thread revealed the very ugly and dark side of joining ANY army in the world, which is a good thing for those who have not served in ANY army. I especially hate it when shallow people paints a good picture of ANY uniformed groups.
Eg; even in indon? (hope I didn't remember the country wrong), I saw from stomp that police? cadets were slapped, beaten, spit at and abused during a standby by their superiors. In ANY uniformed group, the juniors were literally treated like dogs!!! Even if they died, compensation is only "peanuts" to the state. During NS, I was treated like a dog too. Thinking of past events in the army, it still bring tears to my eyes. I was still hurt emotionally and some events really scarred me for life!!!!!!
If you have a choice and value your life, mental well-being and your family, I strongly recommend that you don't come back at all!!! This tiny island is not really a great place or big deal in the event you're banned from entering. What this island have, other countries have it better.
Since you're physically fit, I suggest you concentrate on just being a trainer or instructor, at least you're in control of your life, activity and dignity.
Best Wishes.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:During NS, I was treated like a dog too. Thinking of past events in the army, it still bring tears to my eyes. I was still hurt emotionally and some events really scarred me for life!!!!!!
And there's the game, sports fans.
Listen up, Nancy - you may have been too piss-weak to cope with something as simple as NS, but thousands of MEN go through it without dramas every single year and have been doing so for more than four decades. You're right at the tail end of the tail end of the tail end of a very big Bell curve.
Your woeful attempt to drag everyone down to your pitiful inept level with your laughable "blunt truths" is simply PATHETIC!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
And there's the game, sports fans.
Listen up, Nancy - you may have been too piss-weak to cope with something as simple as NS, but thousands of MEN go through it without dramas every single year and have been doing so for more than four decades. You're right at the tail end of the tail end of the tail end of a very big Bell curve.
Your woeful attempt to drag everyone down to your pitiful inept level with your laughable "blunt truths" is simply PATHETIC!
"without drama" because nobody specifically asked them about the trauma, hardships, disruptions to their life, pain and emotional hurt they suffered.
Again, you only see the deaths of NSmen as minor statistics, tail end of bell curve. Again I say the same thing to you, if the tail end is your father, brother, son who died, will you still think it's just minority or "tail end"? You have not answer this question since I asked you previously.
Names calling again.... yes I'm pathetic, you're commando, you're great. *bows to the red beret who haven't died yet*
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I’d have responded earlier, Sue Ellen, but I just got finished laughing.
Ooooh, trauma, hardships pain and emotional hurt – I’m sooooooooooooo impressed, Phyllis. Quick, ask Lee Hsien Loong and Teo Chee Hean to publish a public apology to you on the front page of the Straits Times. And “disruptions to life” – my God, they may as well kiss your arse at Speaker’s Corner at high noon, Tinkerbell.
So Dorothy, if people have to be specifically asked about their trauma, hardships and all of that other bullshit, why are you vomiting all of this out on an Internet forum when nobody asked you?
Answer one simple question, Lilly Mae: are you writing to me from beyond the grave?
The BLUNT TRUTH, Loretta, is that I said that YOU are right at the tail end of the tail end of the tail end of a very big Bell curve. You are not dead, so your bullshit about me saying that the dead are at the end of the curve is simply bullshit.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Margie, is that you are trying to blow your pissy little “my corporal made me cry” story out of proportion by mixing it in with death and hoping that nobody noticed your dodgy little stunt.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Judith, is that you have experienced NOTHING that is beyond the ability of any self-respecting adult to deal with, but you’re publicly begging for sympathy anyway.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Molly, is that you’re a big sissy and an even bigger crybaby.
Don’t bother bowing down to me – you spend so much time bent over that it doesn’t mean anything anyway, Lulu. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
I’d have responded earlier, Sue Ellen, but I just got finished laughing.
Ooooh, trauma, hardships pain and emotional hurt – I’m sooooooooooooo impressed, Phyllis. Quick, ask Lee Hsien Loong and Teo Chee Hean to publish a public apology to you on the front page of the Straits Times. And “disruptions to life” – my God, they may as well kiss your arse at Speaker’s Corner at high noon, Tinkerbell.
So Dorothy, if people have to be specifically asked about their trauma, hardships and all of that other bullshit, why are you vomiting all of this out on an Internet forum when nobody asked you?
Answer one simple question, Lilly Mae: are you writing to me from beyond the grave?
The BLUNT TRUTH, Loretta, is that I said that YOU are right at the tail end of the tail end of the tail end of a very big Bell curve. You are not dead, so your bullshit about me saying that the dead are at the end of the curve is simply bullshit.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Margie, is that you are trying to blow your pissy little “my corporal made me cry” story out of proportion by mixing it in with death and hoping that nobody noticed your dodgy little stunt.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Judith, is that you have experienced NOTHING that is beyond the ability of any self-respecting adult to deal with, but you’re publicly begging for sympathy anyway.
The BLUNT TRUTH, Molly, is that you’re a big sissy and an even bigger crybaby.
Don’t bother bowing down to me – you spend so much time bent over that it doesn’t mean anything anyway, Lulu.siao!
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I was 1 of the them who volunteered for CDO NSF. Can I say something?
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I am from 1992 batch, NSF CDO, volunteered for CDO during enlistment interview. From experience, the CDO officer are looking for certain attiude and very postive minded guy. So I would say to Sheradine, if you interest in joining CDO, do spend more effort and make more enquiry to CMPB. You need to show them you are committed. The rest is up to them. For Cyberr1981, if you dun like uniformed group, so be it, but no need to influence other wanna-to-be. To be fair, to each his own mah. As for injury, so long as not life threatening, injury is norm. But everybody there just take as a pinch of salt, laugh it out, recovered and rejoin again. We are trained to endure more pain. Even my SOF OC also injured his back for 6mths despite his solid experiences on static parachuting.