Enlist Commandos as an NSF: Self Express Interest @ CMPB?
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I must said accident happened everyday whether you are a CDO or not, it's just sway if it kenna you. As long as you keep up to the safety rules should be quite alright.
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Originally posted by H&G:
I am from 1992 batch, NSF CDO, volunteered for CDO during enlistment interview.
From experience, the CDO officer are looking for certain attiude and very postive minded guy.
So I would say to Sheradine, if you interest in joining CDO, do spend more effort and make more enquiry to CMPB. You need to show them you are committed. The rest is up to them.
For Cyberr1981, if you dun like uniformed group, so be it, but no need to influence other wanna-to-be. To be fair, to each his own mah.
As for injury, so long as not life threatening, injury is norm. But everybody there just take as a pinch of salt, laugh it out, recovered and rejoin again. We are trained to endure more pain. Even my SOF OC also injured his back for 6mths despite his solid experiences on static parachuting.
It's not influencing, it's actually shedding light on the DARK and UGLY side of uniformed groups which few people will talk about so that Sheradine can make a more informed choice.
There you said it, injury is NORM in commando because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
To them when 0.5% of the cohort DIES, it's nothing. It's a place where human life is cheap.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
I must said accident happened everyday whether you are a CDO or not, it's just sway if it kenna you. As long as you keep up to the safety rules should be quite alright.
Like I said previously to this point ALREADY -- in commando is MUCH MUCH HIGHER risk of accident & death than in civilian life because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Like I said previously to this point ALREADY -- in commando is MUCH MUCH HIGHER risk of accident & death than in civilian life because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
Seriously cyberr1981, are you a CDO?
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
Seriously cyberr1981, are you a CDO?
He cant be. Too negative minded.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
It's not influencing, it's actually shedding light on the DARK and UGLY side of uniformed groups which few people will talk about so that Sheradine can make a more informed choice.
There you said it, injury is NORM in commando because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
To them when 0.5% of the cohort DIES, it's nothing. It's a place where human life is cheap.
If CDOs dun really think abt safety, then how can we acheive 100% full chute opening record for so many yrs? As far as concerned, nobody died from static parachuting but injury is unavoidable and norm as I said earlier. Accidents do occurs. If the BAC safety drills were not taught properly or the riggers did not pack chute properly, then we will see a serious problem here.
I wouldnt worry abt injury that much if I really want to experience the life of CDO. No pain, no gain! When I volunteered for CDO, I only want red beret, airborne wing and those adventuous events which other units can provide me. It is tough, painful but at the same time, fun too.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
Seriously cyberr1981, are you a CDO?
No, and luckily I was not even selected for their tests and I don't have to be in commando to know how hellish their trainings are - imagine for warm-up exercise, 300 jumping jacks (siao), 60km route march, SOC in fullbatt....etc. This are just the "formal" trainings only, wait till you hear about their tekan sessions and "torture" trainings.....
And we have a still-alive commando forumer here to disclose more dirty deeds like "don't care whatever was done as long as job was done" and 0.5% death rates which are dismissed as "minor statistics".
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Originally posted by H&G:
If CDOs dun really think abt safety, then how can we acheive 100% full chute opening record for so many yrs? As far as concerned, nobody died from static parachuting but injury is unavoidable and norm as I said earlier. Accidents do occurs. If the BAC safety drills were not taught properly or the riggers did not pack chute properly, then we will see a serious problem here.
I wouldnt worry abt injury that much if I really want to experience the life of CDO. No pain, no gain! When I volunteered for CDO, I only want red beret, airborne wing and those adventuous events which other units can provide me. It is tough, painful but at the same time, fun too.
What about the time when your unit cheated in best unit competition and was suspended?
What about those times when your trainees and other units' trainees died in cdo training?
For this kind of "fun" which can die and get emotionally scarred for life, I don't need this kind of "fun"!
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Originally posted by H&G:
He cant be. Too negative minded.
Conventional sayings will state: "Be 100% positive".
Unconventional sayings will state: "A small dose of negativity is actually healthy, just like small volume of alcohol proves beneficial for health".
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
No, and luckily I was not even selected for their tests and I don't have to be in commando to know how hellish their trainings are - imagine for warm-up exercise, 300 jumping jacks (siao), 60km route march, SOC in fullbatt....etc. This are just the "formal" trainings only, wait till you hear about their tekan sessions and "torture" trainings.....
And we have a still-alive commando forumer here to disclose more dirty deeds like "don't care whatever was done as long as job was done" and 0.5% death rates which are dismissed as "minor statistics".
You do not had to be so personal on it? Well from what I see, CDO suppose to be an elite unit, of cos the training will be harder than let's say Armour, Infantry and etc.
Whether u like it or not, don't have to accuse other units of this and that. In fact SAF always had this saying "U can do whatever, just don't get caught". U believe other units did not did what the CDO did in the past even now? I certainly don't believe it.
As for the death rate, u only noe abt the CDO rate, what about the other units?
You may not find been a CDO pround, but some find pride in them. It's up to each individual anyway.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
You do not had to be so personal on it? Well from what I see, CDO suppose to be an elite unit, of cos the training will be harder than let's say Armour, Infantry and etc.
Whether u like it or not, don't have to accuse other units of this and that. In fact SAF always had this saying "U can do whatever, just don't get caught". U believe other units did not did what the CDO did in the past even now? I certainly don't believe it.
As for the death rate, u only noe abt the CDO rate, what about the other units?
You may not find been a CDO pround, but some find pride in them. It's up to each individual anyway.
Your sentence "You do not had to be so personal on it" is only applicable to the "haven't-died commando" (HDCdo) who only know how to hurl insults and call names whenever I cornered his arguments.
Till today, the question I asked him if the 0.5% who died is his father/brother/son, will he still think it's only minor statistics, is still unanswered.
No accusations as what I stated are blunt facts. Are you referring to the "HDCdo" who keep on accusing and calling names?
This topic is about commando, not other units so I only talk about cdo.
"Honour and glory" is only for those who are lucky enough to be still alive after the dangerous and torturous cdo training, to talk and boast about to their friends and family. I do NOT need honour and glory, I only need to have a healthy life free of injuries, free of emotional scars, good well-being and money. Ask the family whose 1st son died in cdo training, whether they will be willing to send their 2nd or 3rd son to cdo or not? I can tell you 100%, it's a NO.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Your sentence "You do not had to be so personal on it" is only applicable to the "haven't-died commando" (HDCdo) who only know how to hurl insults and call names whenever I cornered his arguments.
Till today, the question I asked him if the 0.5% who died is his father/brother/son, will he still think it's only minor statistics, is still unanswered.
No accusations as what I stated are blunt facts. Are you referring to the "HDCdo" who keep on accusing and calling names?
This topic is about commando, not other units so I only talk about cdo.
"Honour and glory" is only for those who are lucky enough to be still alive after the dangerous and torturous cdo training, to talk and boast about to their friends and family. I do NOT need honour and glory, I only need to have a healthy life free of injuries, free of emotional scars, good well-being and money. Ask the family whose 1st son died in cdo training, whether they will be willing to send their 2nd or 3rd son to cdo or not? I can tell you 100%, it's a NO.
You ask yourself which job does not involved some danger? even a office job some injury will occur. Or even when u go to a job, on the way u can meet accident etc etc. You are attacking on CDO becos it's CDO. Other units? U just willing to close one eyes?
To people around here, you are just been sour grapes, perhaps u got rejected by CDO or maybe your good friend met some serious injuried while he's in CDO?. You go around asking what's the fatallity of the CDO? I'm not saying that fatallity does not not exist or 0.5% is low. U can be injured even if u are not a CDO. In my NS tour, I think I seen enough injuries that I believe you are very unlucky one if u met any accident. Of cos there are some admin/training lapse. But still I think such things does not applied to CDO alone.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
You ask yourself which job does not involved some danger? even a office job some injury will occur. Or even when u go to a job, on the way u can meet accident etc etc. You are attacking on CDO becos it's CDO. Other units? U just willing to close one eyes?
To people around here, you are just been sour grapes, perhaps u got rejected by CDO or maybe your good friend met some serious injuried while he's in CDO?. You go around asking what's the fatallity of the CDO? I'm not saying that fatallity does not not exist or 0.5% is low. U can be injured even if u are not a CDO. In my NS tour, I think I seen enough injuries that I believe you are very unlucky one if u met any accident. Of cos there are some admin/training lapse. But still I think such things does not applied to CDO alone.
I repeat again, like I have addressed previously to this point ALREADY -- in commando is MUCH MUCH HIGHER risk of accident & death than in civilian life because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
Now you're getting personal and hurling insults like that HDCdo guy.... Do not be rude. I repeat again, I do NOT need honour and glory. Really.
Even if I do not get enlisted in NS, I will not be "jealous" of guys who went thru NS because NS is really a disruption to civilian life and harmful on physical & mental well-being. Even women in my office are not envious of guys who went thru NS because they also know NS has more bad points than good points. The annual ICTs and RTs are harmful enough to disrupt a guy's career and promotions. Not all employers/bosses are so understanding, even they think ICT is a waste of time.I repeat again, this topic is about commando. Start another thread yourself about other units if you like.
Why are you so worked up like that guy? Are you also from cdo? Learn to accept the bad points about your unit too. If a newspaper reports all the people who suffered life-long injuries or died in your unit, it will cover the whole newspaper!
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
I repeat again, like I have addressed previously to this point ALREADY -- in commando is MUCH MUCH HIGHER risk of accident & death than in civilian life because "they don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - they don't care about safety, proper procedures and lives of soldiers which are just minor statistics to them.
Now you're getting personal and hurling insults like that HDCdo guy.... Do not be rude. I repeat again, I do NOT need honour and glory. Really.
Even if I do not get enlisted in NS, I will
not be "jealous" of guys who went thru NS because NS is really a
disruption to civilian life and harmful on physical & mental
well-being. Even women in my office are not envious of guys who
went thru NS because they also know NS has more bad points than
good points. The annual ICTs and RTs are harmful enough to disrupt
a guy's career. Not all employers/bosses are so understanding, even
they think ICT is a waste of time.I repeat again, this topic is about commando. Start another thread yourself about other units if you like.
Why are you so worked up like that guy? Are you also from cdo? Learn to accept the bad points about your unit too. If a newspaper reports all the people who suffered life-long injuries or died in your unit, it will cover the whole newspaper!
What made u think only CDO only. that's my point to you? u kept stressing CDO, did CDO did something so nasty to u that you bear this grudge up to this day? GROW UP.
As for ICT, it's up to u or your boss to think is it worth it? Some people think it's ok, they wanna get away from the job maybe for a week or 2 so to relieve stress, meet up with friends...etc etc. For instance, my fren recently went to his 1st ICT, come back told me. It's good...for the whole week he can relax his mind for once.
Women in the office why bother about their opinion, u might as well tell them they go facial for 3 hours also a waste of time, gym, yoga or some slimming program. U only looking at the side u wanna see.
U kept stressing CDO's risk is much much higher of cos it's higher if u wanna get into the elite, u seen the elites of the other country trained, it's also as more dangerous than most of the other vocation.
Here I think many people will tell u it's not so enjoyable in NS but when they look back. It's a totally different experience in life and sure, no one wanna go through the same thing again. But after they completed their ICT cycles and looked back was it enjoyable, YES is the answer.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
What made u think only CDO only. that's my point to you? u kept stressing CDO, did CDO did something so nasty to u that you bear this grudge up to this day? GROW UP.
As for ICT, it's up to u or your boss to think is it worth it? Some people think it's ok, they wanna get away from the job maybe for a week or 2 so to relieve stress, meet up with friends...etc etc. For instance, my fren recently went to his 1st ICT, come back told me. It's good...for the whole week he can relax his mind for once.
Women in the office why bother about their opinion, u might as well tell them they go facial for 3 hours also a waste of time, gym, yoga or some slimming program. U only looking at the side u wanna see.
U kept stressing CDO's risk is much much higher of cos it's higher if u wanna get into the elite, u seen the elites of the other country trained, it's also as more dangerous than most of the other vocation.
Here I think many people will tell u it's not so enjoyable in NS but when they look back. It's a totally different experience in life and sure, no one wanna go through the same thing again. But after they completed their ICT cycles and looked back was it enjoyable, YES is the answer.
Wow, relax and don't get so worked up. I wonder why people who went thru cdo trainings are so bad-tempered and easily angered? cdo training is really harmful to mental well-being of a person. Remember the case of an ex-commando who murdered his room mates in australia because they angered him?
People who can say they have a "relaxing ICT" are people who are usually non-appointment holders, drivers, clerks, storemen, CQ, medics, PTIs. For the most of us, ICT means a stressful, risky, physically-exhausting experience and a serious disruption of career and promotions.
I repeat again, I kept on talking about cdo because threadstarter asked specifically about commando. Stop taking my opinions as offensive, learn to be more open-minded to other people's views. Now, stop asking redundant questions. If this thread is about divers, guards, SOF, I've other things to say too.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
U kept stressing CDO's risk is much much higher of cos it's higher if u wanna get into the elite, u seen the elites of the other country trained, it's also as more dangerous than most of the other vocation.
No, I didn't, it's threadstarter who wanted to under a veil of misinformation and glamour. That's why I gave more blunt information to aid him to a more informed decision.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Wow, relax and don't get so worked up. I wonder why people who went thru cdo trainings are so bad-tempered and easily angered? cdo training is really harmful to mental well-being of a person. Remember the case of an ex-commando who murdered his room mates in australia because they angered him?
People who can say they have a "relaxing ICT" are people who are usually non-appointment holders, drivers, clerks, storemen, CQ, medics, PTIs. For the most of us, ICT means a stressful, risky, physically-exhausting experience and a serious disruption of career and promotions.
I repeat again, I kept on talking about cdo because threadstarter asked specifically about commando. Stop taking my opinions as offensive, learn to be more open-minded to other people's views. Now, stop asking redundant questions. If this thread is about divers, guards, SOF, I've other things to say too.
I'm not worked up, it's u who keep tell abt the risk in CDO, I'm telling u it's everywhere regardless it's CDO or not. As for ICT, whether what vocations there's always how u see relax and stress. For physically unfit personal may find it stress to charged up the hill but to those physically fit may find it ok. To you maybe strees but to some maybe a good time to get off work.
I find it offensive becos I think you are a bit biased toward CDO. TS wanted to go CDO maybe he like it. So what if he express interest in going CDO, he may not get in anyway. Because you kept mentioning abt the risk in CDO is higher, I wanna ask u, what make you think if TS go to some other vocation like NDU or guards the risk is not as high as well? I'm just telling u, every vocation had it risk, you must know how to take care of yourself and also when you had reach you limit.
Personally I know friends from CDO and NDU, all come out in one piece, yes accident do happened, but it can happened anywhere as well. So I'm telling you it's still on luck.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
No, and luckily I was not even selected for their tests and I don't have to be in commando to know how hellish their trainings are - imagine for warm-up exercise, 300 jumping jacks (siao), 60km route march, SOC in fullbatt....etc. This are just the "formal" trainings only, wait till you hear about their tekan sessions and "torture" trainings.....
And we have a still-alive commando forumer here to disclose more dirty deeds like "don't care whatever was done as long as job was done" and 0.5% death rates which are dismissed as "minor statistics".
Sorry Cyberr1981,during my time, we did 1000 jumping jacks (spread out in a day) and 72km route march (once before red beret presentation) instead but not for warmup exercise. You see the point here? You got the wrong info. All these wrong info had planted very negative minded of you of CDO. And those trainings were not siao becos we are fully trained and fit to do things which you think was siao. And SOC full battle is not a formal training but a training aimed at co-operation and teamwork and we only did twice. Tekan sessions? Pls tell me which unit dun have tekan sessions? Tekan training is a compuslory growing up stage in army. By the way, did you completed your NS or not? I wonder? And which unit were you from?
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Originally posted by H&G:
Sorry Cyberr1981,during my time, we did 1000 jumping jacks (spread out in a day) and 72km route march (once before red beret presentation) instead but not for warmup exercise. You see the point here? You got the wrong info. All these wrong info had planted very negative minded of you of CDO. And those trainings were not siao becos we are fully trained and fit to do things which you think was siao. And SOC full battle is not a formal training but a training aimed at co-operation and teamwork and we only did twice. Tekan sessions? Pls tell me which unit dun have tekan sessions? Tekan training is a compuslory growing up stage in army. By the way, did you completed your NS or not? I wonder? And which unit were you from?
I was referring to 300 jumping jacks in a row without break as warm-up.
Quick of you to dismiss it as wrong information. Seems like you're no different from that guy.
Yes, so "fully trained" until got life-long injuries and so many deaths in cdo.
Quick of you to compare it as same with other units, tekan sessions in cdo are much worse than other units.
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
I'm not worked up, it's u who keep tell abt the risk in CDO, I'm telling u it's everywhere regardless it's CDO or not. As for ICT, whether what vocations there's always how u see relax and stress. For physically unfit personal may find it stress to charged up the hill but to those physically fit may find it ok. To you maybe strees but to some maybe a good time to get off work.
I find it offensive becos I think you are a bit biased toward CDO. TS wanted to go CDO maybe he like it. So what if he express interest in going CDO, he may not get in anyway. Because you kept mentioning abt the risk in CDO is higher, I wanna ask u, what make you think if TS go to some other vocation like NDU or guards the risk is not as high as well? I'm just telling u, every vocation had it risk, you must know how to take care of yourself and also when you had reach you limit.
Personally I know friends from CDO and NDU, all come out in one piece, yes accident do happened, but it can happened anywhere as well. So I'm telling you it's still on luck.
Yes, it's me who keep disclosing the dark and ugly side of cdo because I want to help TS make a more informed choice.
But it's cdo that has much much higher risks as proven by the most deaths of all units.
Of course, everyone takes care of himself, but when in a unit where trainers "don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - there will be much much higher risk of death and life-long injuries.
So now the latest excuse is LUCK?
If a commando trainee died during training, the trainer is going to attribute it to the trainee's bad luck and then dismiss it as "minor statistics"? Threadstarter, hope you're reading this... 
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Yes, it's me who keep disclosing the dark and ugly side of cdo because I want to help TS make a more informed choice.
But it's cdo that has much much higher risks as proven by the most deaths of all units.
Of course, everyone takes care of himself, but when in a unit where trainers "don't care what was done as long as the job was done" - there will be much much higher risk of death and life-long injuries.
So now the latest excuse is LUCK?
If a
commando trainee died during training, the trainer is going to
attribute it to the trainee's bad luck and then dismiss it as
"minor statistics"? Threadstarter, hope you're reading this...
Who told u abt this don't care thing....i had friend in cdo also never said this thing. U must be hearing rumor...pls get the fact right, also how often does death happened in CDO? not every batch right? fyi, I think those who went through BMT will noe whether I wrong or not. If during BMT in CDO your fitness level not up to scratch you'll still be kicked out of the CDO.
Anyway if u don't think it's luck, let me tell u a story, during my NS time, my camp was built with a golf course inside, one sat morning one trainee went to the medical centre becos he got hit by a golf balls. Fyi, he did not walk into the golf course just happened he got hit by a stray ball. He don't call that luck, also just u may luck to noe, that route was used by lot of other units for morning run, nothing happen to the rest except him, u don't call that luck? Just because a couple of death cases in CDO, u start blaming the CDO blah blah blah. If u don't noe the whole story pls don't make a mountain out of a mole hill who know maybe it's the trainees fault. Because what we read in the newspaper maybe it's part of the story.
I know stories of certain deaths in SAF, because there are some investigation reports that are send to unit which is mark a big X and I happened to saw some of them. It's actually the trainee fault but SAF decide not to blame it on either side, they just let the case close as it is?
Because I don't think it's nice to tell the victim's parents,"Sorry it's your son's fault that he did not follow the instructions properly that he's now dead".
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
Who told u abt this don't care thing....i had friend in cdo also never said this thing. U must be hearing rumor...pls get the fact right, also how often does death happened in CDO? not every batch right? fyi, I think those who went through BMT will noe whether I wrong or not. If during BMT in CDO your fitness level not up to scratch you'll still be kicked out of the CDO.
Anyway if u don't think it's luck, let me tell u a story, during my NS time, my camp was built with a golf course inside, one sat morning one trainee went to the medical centre becos he got hit by a golf balls. Fyi, he did not walk into the golf course just happened he got hit by a stray ball. He don't call that luck, also just u may luck to noe, that route was used by lot of other units for morning run, nothing happen to the rest except him, u don't call that luck? Just because a couple of death cases in CDO, u start blaming the CDO blah blah blah. If u don't noe the whole story pls don't make a mountain out of a mole hill who know maybe it's the trainees fault. Because what we read in the newspaper maybe it's part of the story.
I know stories of certain deaths in SAF, because there are some investigation reports that are send to unit which is mark a big X and I happened to saw some of them. It's actually the trainee fault but SAF decide not to blame it on either side, they just let the case close as it is?
Because I don't think it's nice to tell the victim's parents,"Sorry it's your son's fault that he did not follow the instructions properly that he's now dead".
Wow! Hit by golf balls? You should have thought a better story would be hit by lightning.
Wow! a big "X" on the reports? Sounds like X-Files to me...
Isn't it the "norm" when the army blames it all on the trainee when incidents happen? Will the army ever apologise and blame it on their wrong decision of starting this whole part-time civilian part-time soldier thingy? When will they have a 100% professional army like other countries instead of trying to save costs by having part-timers? Isn't it better if they outsource the whole army to other countries since they like to outsource so much?
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Wow! Hit by golf balls? You should have thought a better story would be hit by lightning.
Wow! a big "X" on the reports? Sounds like X-Files to me...
Isn't it the "norm" when the army blames it all on the trainee when incidents happen? Will the army ever apologise and blame it on their wrong decision of starting this whole part-time civilian part-time soldier thingy? When will they have a 100% professional army like other countries instead of trying to save costs by having part-timers? Isn't it better if they outsource the whole army to other countries since they like to outsource so much?
seriously the golf ball story is true.....whether u believe it or not. If u do not know what X-marking on the documents, then it certainly tell me you do not had enough clearance or level to access such material.
Let me tell u another one luck, also from my previous camp, fri evening everyone going home right? Again another trainee, waiting for bus at the bus stop, just as u know he got hit by the bus side mirror while he was standing in the bus stop, so many people in the bus stop in the evening how come only him kenna hit?
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Originally posted by tarutaru:
seriously the golf ball story is true.....whether u believe it or not. If u do not know what X-marking on the documents, then it certainly tell me you do not had enough clearance or level to access such material.
Let me tell u another one luck, also from my previous camp, fri evening everyone going home right? Again another trainee, waiting for bus at the bus stop, just as u know he got hit by the bus side mirror while he was standing in the bus stop, so many people in the bus stop in the evening how come only him kenna hit?
Because he was standing too close to the road?
This is getting absurd. An army that blames incidents to "bad luck" and then dismiss them as only minority statistics or tail end of a bell curve? Threadstarter, hope you're really reading this. This is the kind of army you would be joining....
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Because he was standing too close to the road?
This is getting absurd. An army that blames incidents to "bad luck" and then dismiss them as only minority statistics or tail end of a bell curve. Threadstarter, hope you're really reading this. This is the kind of army you would be joining....
He was on the kerb and I don't think it's funny, you are so uncaring maybe that's why u are so hated by your unit that u turn against SAF.I telling u if u are in bad luck anything can happened, CDO or not, in or outside camp. If u think CDO so much danger, how come still got so many people pass out every year? Mind u I'm not saying danger does not exist or low, but certainly if u follow instructions right u should be ok, but if certain things still happened, u want to blame on SAF or yourself? It's BAD LUCK right? U really bear so much grudge with CDO? for what? it only made your life miserable.
TS, I can tell if u wanna join go ahead, forget about what cyberr1981, he's too negative minded in doing things, but you must understand that CDO is an elite unit, certain exercise does have certain degree of danger, if u not sure, ask don't monkey see monkey do. Many a times this lead to accident.
Btw cyberr1981 u still had not said why u bear such a deep grudge against CDO? Lost out in ATECH?