RIP: CPL Fahrurrazi 14 August 2012 in Brunei Jungle River
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SINGAPORE: A search operation is now on for a full-time national serviceman (NSF) reported missing in a training area in Brunei.
Singapore's Ministry of Defence (Mindef) said Lance-Corporal (LCP) Muhammad Fahrurrazi Salim, 20, was reported missing on Sunday (12 August) at the Temburong training area.
LCP Fahrurrazi was the coxswain in a convoy of four boats used to support the water crossing segment of the jungle training exercise at Sungei Batu Apoi, Temburong.
LCP Fahrurrazi was last seen wearing a life jacket on his boat at 7:55am. However at 8:00am, his boat was noticed not to have followed the convoy. The convoy turned around and found LCP Fahrurrazi's boat at 8:01am. Search operations for the missing LCP Fahrurrazi commenced immediately.
Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) search parties including naval divers supported by Republic of Singapore Air Force helicopters and assisted by the Royal Brunei Armed Forces are involved in the search operation.
All SAF training in Temburong training area has been suspended for the time being.
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Search for missing NSF continues
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SINGAPORE: Search and rescue operations for a full-time national serviceman (NSF) missing in the Temburong training area in Brunei are continuing.
Lance-Corporal (LCP) Muhammad Fahrurrazi Salim, 20, was reported missing on Sunday.
The Defence Ministry said a Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) team flew to Brunei on Sunday to help in search and rescue operations, which are supported by the Royal Brunei Armed Forces.
MINDEF said the operations involve more than 250 troops and 16 naval divers.
They are supported by 13 boats and three helicopters.
LCP Fahrurrazi's parents and younger sister are now in Brunei, accompanied by SAF family liaison officers.
The SAF is providing the necessary assistance to the serviceman's family.
LCP Fahrurrazi was the coxswain in a convoy of four boats, in the day training exercise.
MINDEF said the weather was clear and water conditions calm.
An investigation has been initiated.
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Coxswain means there shld be other on the boat as well...
Since there was no other mention of missing personnels, I assume the boat is intact? and if the boat is intact, how can their coxswain go missing while the other just watched?
I cannot visualise the scenario...
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It was the last boat in the convoy of four boats. And he was all alone.
So the fella might have gone splash without the others noticing.
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hmmm, so in the army over here, there's only 1 coxswain per convoy instead of per boat?
it was a single man craft?
if it was a single man craft and he fell into the river... the buayas there quite deadly... and unlike those in singapore, the buayas there target guys too...
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One coxswain per boat. The fella driving the boat is the coxswain.
And it appears that he was alone in his craft.
Which smells fishy to me, because I would have thought that there should be at least two people in each boat, especially the last one. Then if there's a case of man overboard, someone can still raise the alarm immediately.
Brunei's rivers are dangerous. When I did river crossing there, I remember that one boat had an officer with a loaded M4 carbine with orders to fire at will at any crocodiles.
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How can he is left alone?! A serious lapse in training protocol.
RIP.
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MINDEF has confirmed that the body of the NSF who went missing in Brunei on Sunday has been found. MINDEF's statement reads as follows:
The body of the late Lance-Corporal (LCP) Muhammad Fahrurrazi Bin Salim, 20, was found at 2:55am on 14 August 2012 in the Sungai Batu Apoi river,Temburong. One of the Singapore Armed Forces search parties, which had continued the search throughout the night, found LCP Fahrurrazi’s body about 200 metres from where he was first reported missing.
LCP Fahrurrazi’s body will be flown back this afternoon in a Republic of Singapore Air Force C-130 transport plane for a military funeral in Singapore.
On behalf of the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and the SAF, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen, has written a letter to the family of the late LCP Fahrurrazi expressing deepest condolences for their loss. MINDEF is assisting the family in their time of grief. A full investigation will be conducted on the incident.
MINDEF has also thanked the Royal Brunei Armed Forces for their assistance in the search operations. -
Originally posted by fudgester:
One coxswain per boat. The fella driving the boat is the coxswain.
And it appears that he was alone in his craft.
Which smells fishy to me, because I would have thought that there should be at least two people in each boat, especially the last one. Then if there's a case of man overboard, someone can still raise the alarm immediately.
Brunei's rivers are dangerous. When I did river crossing there, I remember that one boat had an officer with a loaded M4 carbine with orders to fire at will at any crocodiles.
Yes... exactly my point...U dun leave a coxswain in a boat alone when travelling... and u dun call the person a coxswain if he is alone...
Coxswain would mean there are people on the boat and he is the coxswain, but if there arent any, why are there any???
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That really sucks.......now we can only hope that the investigation prevents this from happening again.
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What happened in the first place?
He fell into the water and drowned? He hit his head on a low branch? Kena bitten by a poisonous snake? Crocodile jump out of the water and kill him? Victim of hantu air? Cast off and mooring ropes strangled him?
He was alone in the boat, does not matter if he is coxswain or capitan. What matters is how what happened.
He was wearing a life vest five minutes before he disappeared.
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Originally posted by mancha:
What happened in the first place?
He fell into the water and drowned? He hit his head on a low branch? Kena bitten by a poisonous snake? Crocodile jump out of the water and kill him? Victim of hantu air? Cast off and mooring ropes strangled him?
He was alone in the boat, does not matter if he is coxswain or capitan. What matters is how what happened.
He was wearing a life vest five minutes before he disappeared.
self inflated type, if some how you fall in the panic might stop you from inflating it.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
One coxswain per boat. The fella driving the boat is the coxswain.
And it appears that he was alone in his craft.
Which smells fishy to me, because I would have thought that there should be at least two people in each boat, especially the last one. Then if there's a case of man overboard, someone can still raise the alarm immediately.
Brunei's rivers are dangerous. When I did river crossing there, I remember that one boat had an officer with a loaded M4 carbine with orders to fire at will at any crocodiles.
Unless it's a tiny crocodile, I have my doubts that a M4 will do much good unless the shooter knows where to aim (just behind the head).
And this is not even considering the fact that crocodiles can disappear underwater at astonishing speeds.
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Originally posted by chanjyj:
Unless it's a tiny crocodile, I have my doubts that a M4 will do much good unless the shooter knows where to aim (just behind the head).
And this is not even considering the fact that crocodiles can disappear underwater at astonishing speeds.
Don't look at me. We were all thinking 'of all weapons.... a carbine?'
I would have preferred a scoped M16 or even a SAR 21.
Same firepower, yeah, but at least you get better range and accuracy.
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Well, now we can wait for the investigation results...
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Don't look at me. We were all thinking 'of all weapons.... a carbine?'
I would have preferred a scoped M16 or even a SAR 21.
Same firepower, yeah, but at least you get better range and accuracy.
This part I don't get.
At a range where the weapons differ, would the crocodile even associate the shots with the firer or know where they are coming from? It's kind of a war crime too.
The croc would think the bullets hitting the water are random natural objects falling from trees. Unlikely to be deterred.
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"Crocodile!!!" BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM "Where?"
If I were that officer, I would come back with an empty mag any time.
How often do you get to go auto? CARBINE some more. Shoot water also fun.
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A gun is still better than nothing, or a stick.
You can't taser a croc either.
And having a guy with a loaded gun is a standard MOB SOP that is applied to RSN also.
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Originally posted by alize:
This part I don't get.
At a range where the weapons differ, would the crocodile even associate the shots with the firer or know where they are coming from? It's kind of a war crime too.
If I am in the water, and a crocodile is slowly coming up to me.....
..... then YES, I want someone to be shooting at the crocodile to hurt or at least chase it off.
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not sure about these but a friend of mine who was an assault boat driver/pilot/whatever is alone in his craft after he drops off his load of guys...
so yah.. i think it's him alone...
maybe he just fell off and drowned?
whatever it is, RIP soldier...
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Don't look at me. We were all thinking 'of all weapons.... a carbine?'
I would have preferred a scoped M16 or even a SAR 21.
Same firepower, yeah, but at least you get better range and accuracy.?
Whar wrong with carbine..?Carbine, M16, SAR21 all uses the same calibre.
The accuracy only changes if target is way more then 100m. otherwise, i will say carbine will be more accurate and easily use then M16, or Sar21..
If is use for croc attack, i doubt you be firing at 100m..
by the way, i use carbine, M16 and SAR21 before.. and i prefer carbine anytime for close range and small spaces
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For the distant and improbable war, SAR-21 is sufficient.
For preventing politically-sensitive training deaths and for Special Forces, SAF will count on a Colt.
