Justice: Seek Redress for Alleged Assault/ Camp Abuse? How?
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I walked away from a warrant officer who was making false accusations and was threatening to charge me. I then felt a sharp blow at the back of my knee. I was confused and distressed but left it just like that and moved on.
The next day, that warrant officer was speaking to my warrant officer, saw me and then sarcastically remarked in front of my encik whether I enjoyed the kick he gave me and even mentioned that the boots he was wearing today has a larger sole and thus can deliver a heavier blow.
After he left with a smirk, I brought up how I was kicked and asked my encik whether he can vouch for me after hearing that warrant officer boast about kicking me. But my encik claimed he never heard anything about it even when he was just seated next to where the warrant officer stood just a while ago. I believe that maybe he was too engrossed to his OA computer. My encik did tell me not to make that warrant officer angry as he has high blood pressure.
I noticed a patch of blue-black behind my knee while showering and went to the Medical Officer the following day who documented the 9cm bruise. I told the incident to the Medical Officer, he did not really believe me and think that I'm making excuses after getting it from playing soccer.
So i asked for all of your opinions, as just a LCP, and based on lack of evidence, can i only just suck thumb as it is just a small issue?
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Report this to your officer-in-charge.
If not, report this to SIB to launch an internal enquiry/ investigation.NS have counselling hotlines for you to call if need arises. The counsellors are experienced professionals. You can call them at the following counselling hotlines:
- SAF : 1800-278 0022 (SAF Counselling Hotline)
- SPF : 1800-255 1151 (Police Psychology Service Department)
- SCDF: 1800-286 6666 (SCDF Counselling Hotline)
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one sided stoey. but if the encik really did that then you should consider yor own status first before reporting to SIB. youknow in the army is just like any other private employment - many politics. difference is you can easily resign pull out in the private sector - army no. you in the unit? stuck with this unit? how long to ORD?
when ORD confirm will cum back this unit for ICT? although manpower get transfer in army bu i see lots of commissioned and specialist does so. warrant officers sometimes is die die in the smae unit 1.
consider far before reporting to SIB or MP. becasue this means blowing matters up and if you do not succeed, you will have a hell lot of bad time with him later.
don;t alert him first, another optiuon is to secretly settle outside, since police also cannot help. you get what i mean? in the army he may hold a rank and have control over you, but once he step out of the army camp, he is as good and soft as a sheep. you egt what i mean? what did the army teach you about defence and the offensive?
a soldier have to serve the nation, and protect himself and the country from his fellow countrymen against all enemies, foreign and domestic. he can do this to you, he can also do this to any other good soldier.
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Military Justice System in the SAF
1. Overview
The military justice system in the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) is expected to treat every service personnel fairly and equally, regardless of race, rank or vocation.
2. Multi-levelled ApproachThe military justice system is based on the SAF Act, which was implemented in 1972. All servicemen are subjected to the SAF Act, SAF Regulations, and orders of whatever form issued pursuant to them.
While discipline is paramount in the military, not all offences committed by SAF servicemen are dealt with by formal investigations and charges. Essentially, offenders can be dealt with either by way of informal or formal punishment systems.
3. Informal Punishment System
Commanders are empowered to mete out informal punishments like push-ups and weekend confinement to servicemen who have committed disciplinary breaches, like being late, sluggish, or improperly dressed.4. Formal Punishment System
If the offence that a serviceman committed is of a more serious nature, he may be formally dealt with by his disciplinary officer by way of a summary trial, or brought before a subordinate military court (more commonly known as the General Court Martial or GCM).(a) Summary Trial
The offences that can be dealt with by summary trial are essentially military offences, such as absence without leave (AWOL), non-compliance with lawful orders or insubordination.
Depending on the rank of the serviceman in question, and the type of the disciplinary body hearing the case, the possible sentences that may be imposed can vary, and these can include fines or detention.
The summary trial is carried out in accordance with relevant SAF regulations, and the records of the summary trial are sent to the office of the Director, Legal Services of the SAF.
(b) General Court Martial
The General Court Martial exists as a separate forum from that of the summary trial. Unlike the summary trial, the GCM can deal with a wider range of offences, and can impose a wider range of punishments including imprisonment and discharge, on top of sentences like detention and fines. The GCM is also a more public and open forum, and its proceedings are conducted using similar legal rules and procedures as those used in a civil criminal court.
Generally, only serious offences investigated by the Military Police Command, and which are referred to the office of the Director of Legal Services, will result in the accused serviceman being charged in a GCM. In such a case, a military prosecutor will draw up a formal charge sheet and present it before the GCM.
General Courts Martial can be further sub-divided into two categories, namely the Panel Courts Martial - consisting of a President and usually two other members, and Judge Courts Martial - consisting of a single President only.
Currently, the practice is for military offences to be heard by Panel Courts Martial, while civil offences like misuse of drugs and penal code offences may be dealt with by a Judge Court Martial.
The current policy is also for an NSman, who is or was a District Judge in the Subordinate Courts, to preside in a GCM. There are currently 10 NSmen who have been appointed by the Armed Forces Council to perform duty as President of a court martial. They are rostered by the Registrar of the Subordinate Military Court to hear cases during their in-camp training. In the case of a Panel Court Martial, the other two members are rostered from among some 155 military officers appointed by the Chief of Defence Force.
5. Ways to Seek RedressThere are numerous safeguards and avenues set out in the military justice system for an SAF serviceman to seek redress if he is unhappy about the punishment imposed on him.
Generally, a serviceman who is dissatisfied with an informal punishment meted out to him may request a higher level commander to review the punishment, or request for formal disciplinary dealing.
In the case of a summary trial, a serviceman brought before the disciplinary officer may elect instead to be tried by a court martial. Alternatively, an aggrieved serviceman may request that his conviction or punishment imposed at the summary trial be reviewed by MINDEF's Director Manpower (a delegated authority of the Armed Forces Council).
In the case of a GCM, a serviceman may choose to be represented by a lawyer or an SAF defending officer if his case will be heard by a court martial. The SAF has about 200 trained defending officers. While an SAF defending officer comes free to the serviceman, he has to bear the cost of engaging a lawyer. At the end of the trial, a serviceman who is dissatisfied with the decision of the court martial may petition the Reviewing Authority (the AFC or a committee of its members) for a review of his case. The serviceman can also appeal to the Military Court of Appeal (MCA) for a reconsideration of his conviction, or his sentence, or both.
The MCA, when convened to hear an appeal, sits as a panel of five members. Heading the MCA is a President, who is appointed by the Chief Justice. By law, he must be a person qualified to be a Judge of the Supreme Court. The current President of the MCA is Justice Choo Han Teck. Four other members - two civilian members who are qualified legal practitioners with at least five years experience each, and two senior military officers - make up the rest of the MCA. The MCA is the highest court in the military justice system.
6. Impartial Hearings
It is important to recognise that the GCM and the MCA are tribunals headed by presidents who are outside the SAF chain of command.Being an "outsider", the president of these forums will hear the case impartially like any other civil criminal case. The proceedings in the GCM and the MCA are also heard in a public forum, and these military courts adopt many of the same legal procedures and safeguards as that used in the civil criminal courts. All servicemen formally charged with an offence can bring their case to these forums.
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TS can try the options and see how's the outcome. let us know we course ia m sure it will help others in if no similar situation seek justice. othersie if you NSF in teh army just blindly do and serve and ORD get the hell oout.
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Originally posted by Squiggly Line:
I walked away from a warrant officer who was making false accusations and was threatening to charge me. I then felt a sharp blow at the back of my knee. I was confused and distressed but left it just like that and moved on.
The next day, that warrant officer was speaking to my warrant officer, saw me and then sarcastically remarked in front of my encik whether I enjoyed the kick he gave me and even mentioned that the boots he was wearing today has a larger sole and thus can deliver a heavier blow.
After he left with a smirk, I brought up how I was kicked and asked my encik whether he can vouch for me after hearing that warrant officer boast about kicking me. But my encik claimed he never heard anything about it even when he was just seated next to where the warrant officer stood just a while ago. I believe that maybe he was too engrossed to his OA computer. My encik did tell me not to make that warrant officer angry as he has high blood pressure.
I noticed a patch of blue-black behind my knee while showering and went to the Medical Officer the following day who documented the 9cm bruise. I told the incident to the Medical Officer, he did not really believe me and think that I'm making excuses after getting it from playing soccer.
So i asked for all of your opinions, as just a LCP, and based on lack of evidence, can i only just suck thumb as it is just a small issue?
he is not supposed to kick u even if u lost a rifle.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
Report this to your officer-in-charge.
If not, report this to SIB to launch an internal enquiry/ investigation.NS have counselling hotlines for you to call if need arises. The counsellors are experienced professionals. You can call them at the following counselling hotlines:
- SAF : 1800-278 0022 (SAF Counselling Hotline)
- SPF : 1800-255 1151 (Police Psychology Service Department)
- SCDF: 1800-286 6666 (SCDF Counselling Hotline)
report to sib hotline....counsellors are useless.
normally its some angry looking person coming down and making noise from what i heard.
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Originally posted by Squiggly Line:
I walked away from a warrant officer who was making false accusations and was threatening to charge me. I then felt a sharp blow at the back of my knee. I was confused and distressed but left it just like that and moved on.
The next day, that warrant officer was speaking to my warrant officer, saw me and then sarcastically remarked in front of my encik whether I enjoyed the kick he gave me and even mentioned that the boots he was wearing today has a larger sole and thus can deliver a heavier blow.
After he left with a smirk, I brought up how I was kicked and asked my encik whether he can vouch for me after hearing that warrant officer boast about kicking me. But my encik claimed he never heard anything about it even when he was just seated next to where the warrant officer stood just a while ago. I believe that maybe he was too engrossed to his OA computer. My encik did tell me not to make that warrant officer angry as he has high blood pressure.
I noticed a patch of blue-black behind my knee while showering and went to the Medical Officer the following day who documented the 9cm bruise. I told the incident to the Medical Officer, he did not really believe me and think that I'm making excuses after getting it from playing soccer.
So i asked for all of your opinions, as just a LCP, and based on lack of evidence, can i only just suck thumb as it is just a small issue?
actually kind of strange u walk away instead of reasoning with him.i think both will get charged .normal procedure. -
charge?sign 1406 or something.no big deal....
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think the warrant officer is in the wrong.since no one in camp wants to get involved because they are merely collecting their monthly pay,i suggest u get help from SIB to remove these people who are not professionals but mere street hawkers in a stylo uniform.they domnt deserve anything as none of them want to get involved or use correct procdures which is unbecoming of any officer in the SAF.
u might suffer for rest of camp,while they get demoted.i would say get SIB or collect witnesses and tape evidence so u can sue the skin off their ass when u ord.
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this is peace time and if they cant control themselves and have leadership qualities,i dont see why they deserve to be in the SAF.they should go sell fishballs in a hawker centre instead! in war time,they would neither have the initiatives to protect their men or the ability to control their actions.
these are not the soldiers spore needs for overpaid warrant officers.
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Originally posted by Army 21:
this is peace time and if they cant control themselves and have leadership qualities,i dont see why they deserve to be in the SAF.they should go sell fishballs in a hawker centre instead! in war time,they would neither have the initiatives to protect their men or the ability to control their actions.
these are not the soldiers spore needs for overpaid warrant officers.
remember me of the tom hanks production 'band of brothers' - captain sobo or something. poor leadershipt, the top recognized that nad had him serve in the training schoolinstead. cos if he goes to the field actual battle, either he die first, sell his country upon capture, or wrongfully lead his men to certain death.i think i can do better than the warrant officer.
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think you should ask your officer in charge instead of SIB.
why?because therev would be less complications.officer in charge usually a lta or captain knows what is ok or not.just describe it on a paper what really happened .and why u were accused of by warrant dude.remeber to show proof as verbal is no good and the marks on leg will not do.unless there were witnesses to show.... u have no case.
you marks on leg could be self inflicted as no proof was seen unless u were beaten until hospitalised.since no one believes u,it is importnt u get tape record of conversations to prove u were bullied and beaten.just check if a $25 mini tape recorder is allowed into camp.had u gitten a tape that had the warrant officer saying he had bigger boots to beat u up and the encik who told you to clam up n move on.i believe these 2 fellas would havve lost their jobs ina few years or even the next day even.
just get the tape to protect yourself.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
remember me of the tom hanks production 'band of brothers' - captain sobo or something. poor leadershipt, the top recognized that nad had him serve in the training schoolinstead. cos if he goes to the field actual battle, either he die first, sell his country upon capture, or wrongfully lead his men to certain death.i think i can do better than the warrant officer.
yes,u should have signed on.but i think theres 2 many sobo everywhere including civilian side. -
difference in civilian side if the sobo cant do it.,,he has to beg his man to do it instead of ordering by punishment of death and prison.