Got Stay-Out MC, But Camp Order Me Stay-In. How? Complain?
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At IMH, I was diagnosed with NS adjustment disorder.
Now taking medications and seeking psychiatrist help.Then now, I was given MC to temporary excuse stay-in for 3 months, but my NS unit ordered me to stay in for "observation". I went report sick to tell MO about it. He just said to me, "follow the NS unit order then."
But... Why MC excuse stay-in then? -
perhaps if you could provide us with more information on
1. how you got the temporary Excuse Stay Medical Excuse
2. what was written on the Memo as the supporting reason to doctor recommends stay out
3. what did you tell the unit M.O when you submitted the medical certificate for unit mo to endorse.
Back when I was given stay out..I also need to have Officer to guarantee that nobody (applies to all stay-out-requests) will mis-behave just simply because i'm medically backed up permantly to stay out - by the Medical HQ M.O despite me just having last 6 months to ORD years back as they have EXTRA filters put in place that's not the usual practice.
Military function as a whole, but each individual unit has their own practice..so follow them if you want to stay out of trouble.
If you're unable, feedback to your-direct superior if not your closest captain/major to speak in a few words for you..
Coz if you call the SAF hotline, than your unit's officers will be alerted to take care of you, which looks bad on them as it means they cannot handle the situation on their own thus their performance bonus will be affected (for those regulars) then they will pay extra attention.
Seek help from your direct officer-in-charge, your immediate captain before going to calling for help.
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Refer: www.imh.com.sg
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MOH to launch two new community-based mental health initiatives
Posted: 12 November 2012 1930 hrsMinister of State for Health Dr Amy Khor announced in Parliament on Monday two new community-based mental health initiatives designed to improve Singaporeans' access to mental healthcare.
"We are developing Assessment and Shared Care Teams (ASCAT), which are specialist-led mental health teams based in the community, in order to improve access to mental health care. We are also developing Community Mental Health Intervention Teams (COMIT) to provide improved access to counselling and psychotherapy services in the community," said Dr Khor.
Dr Khor also said that the Institute of Mental Health's (IMH) occupancy rate for the past three years averaged at about 80 per cent and that the hospital has sufficient capacity for new patients.
There are currently about 2,000 beds across public hospitals in Singapore dedicated to mental health patients, with the majority in IMH.
Responding to queries from Member of Parliament Mr Hri Kumar Nair on the criteria for admitting patients to IMH, Dr. Khor said those with conditions such as schizophrenia and depression may be admitted for closer monitoring. -
If everyone can just say cannot adjust to NS, get a doctor to write something and excuse themselves, we will have no army.
It is fair to observe exactly what disorder (if any) will be manifested.
Seriously what adjustment you need? More than 900,000 men have gone through NS. Are you a spoilt brat who can't do without your mummy and maid? Be a man !
It sounds like a lame excuse and malingering. Malingering is an offence that can bring you into the detention barracks (military prison).Life just goes on as usual, you breathe the same air, you eat food....what adjustment you need?
SAF has every right over you, during your NS liability. External doctors' letters will only be reference and SAF is not obliged to accept them. They will however take reference and form their own judgment. SAF doctors are also qualified full-fledge doctors.
To be honest, this stay-in/stay-out thing is hard to believe. Don't tell me you have never stayed in a hotel, chalet, etc. before? Army camps also have nearly everything you need, there's no excuse for whatever you need to adjust to....or you simply cannot do without internet? No excuse.
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your MC is given by IMH.
Which means your MC needs to endorse by camp MO.
Which give camp MO authority to follow the recommendation or overide the recommendation.
The only one that can speak to the camp MO is your IMH specialist needs to call your camp MO for a discussion. But if your IMH specialsit say follow your camp MO instruction that basically nthg you can do and serve.
But very curios that now a days have such a thg as adjustment disorder, never hear before last time...
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Nowadays excuse have been getting more and more sophiscated. No wonder the genuine cases found it harder to get MCs.
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Originally posted by intelligenceman:
If everyone can just say cannot adjust to NS, get a doctor to write something and excuse themselves, we will have no army.
It is fair to observe exactly what disorder (if any) will be manifested.
Seriously what adjustment you need? More than 900,000 men have gone through NS. Are you a spoilt brat who can't do without your mummy and maid? Be a man !
It sounds like a lame excuse and malingering. Malingering is an offence that can bring you into the detention barracks (military prison).Life just goes on as usual, you breathe the same air, you eat food....what adjustment you need?
SAF has every right over you, during your NS liability. External doctors' letters will only be reference and SAF is not obliged to accept them. They will however take reference and form their own judgment. SAF doctors are also qualified full-fledge doctors.
To be honest, this stay-in/stay-out thing is hard to believe. Don't tell me you have never stayed in a hotel, chalet, etc. before? Army camps also have nearly everything you need, there's no excuse for whatever you need to adjust to....or you simply cannot do without internet? No excuse.
Everybody is different, I am man enough with courage to come out solve my problem. Though I need counselling, I have followed my counsellor advices to seek professional treatment at IMH. I just need more time to sort things out gradually. I am not malingering, genuine case. Even though I don't consult a hospital specialist to get a memo letter, the MC is issued by the camp medical centre MO. Perhaps I just need to sit down and reason out with the camp commander, if should he grant me a personal 1-to-1 private interview.
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army where to complain ? cannot skip appointment to complain also . tats where we lose out 1. u complain must to your direct superoir 1st then follow up . skip any1 ualso ganna charge , find mp help and prepare to ganna tekan jialat jialat
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Originally posted by Law2121:
army where to complain ? cannot skip appointment to complain also . tats where we lose out 1. u complain must to your direct superoir 1st then follow up . skip any1 ualso ganna charge , find mp help and prepare to ganna tekan jialat jialat
Of course la....MP has no power over SAF matters. Unless if your MP is Dr. Ng Eng Hen himself.