FAQs for NS Enlist Pre-Enlistees for the SAF Army
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thank you thank you.Originally posted by duotiga83:wahhh.....this FAQ so power
learn a lot sia 
what else can i include? i trying to find new things to add. -
ok. now another new set: useful things to bring when u enlist.
1. ziploc bags of various sizes*
2. plastic bags*
3. extra handfone batteries*
4. sano-plast (dunno how to spell; basically some cream or oil for muscle aches!)
5. small torch (for use after lights off)*
6. some washing powder (for clothes washing)
7. clothes hanger (no need alot since they will probably want to standardise eventually)*
8. pegs (as many as possible)*
9. lock - usually not number locks as they will require you to pass one set of keys to your buddy
10. slippers*
11. tupperware for food like biscuits, etc.
12. black tape*
13. scissors/ cutter
14. pencil/pen*
15. clear tape
16. perm marker - for writing ur name / 4D number on items
17. snake powder - that is what they would recommend usually; you will get saf powder too.
18. extra batteries for your receiver, torch, etc
19. cloth for cleaning
20. nail cutter*
21. rubber bands (normal and those black thick ones)
22. masking tape
23. coins (for vending machine, payfones)*
24. orange cloth (you will need to get eventually, but you can get it inside too)
25. underwear (more! disposables are usually not recommended)*
26. own clothes for sleeping if u need
27. black string (for various purposes like securing items, tying your ID tag)*
28. small mirror (you can get inside too; for applying camo)
alot of essential outfield items you will pick up and learn after going outfield a few times. for me, my SBO always have these items
1. black rubber bands, big and small*
2. black tape*
3. spare batteries for torchlight*
4. ziploc
5. pen/pencil
6. writing material - the small black book - put inside ziploc*
7. small mirror with camo*
8. 2 x insect repellent tubes*
9. spare black string
10. jackknife*
11. more than one torchlight
12. half gloves
13. mess mug* in plastic bag
14. ear plug and whistle inside whistle pouch*
15. a roll of the cord (... forgot wat its called. anyone?)*
16. compass
17. dummy grenade and magazine
of course during bmt you wont have to have and you are likely not allowed to have certain things u want to get yourself (e.g. own torchlight, compass). this just serves as a guide.
and a standard rule of thumb: always secure all your items! i secure things like the torchlight and even jackknife to my sbo.
in both lists the * items are more important. -
15. a roll of the cord (... forgot wat its called. anyone?)*
comms cord u mean kekeke....
13. mess mug* in plastic bag
with additional of old newspaper(fold into same size as the mug) coz the plastic bag will wear n tear.... learn from exp -
oh yes comms cord.. i really getting old.Originally posted by LoVeMeLoVeMenOt:15. a roll of the cord (... forgot wat its called. anyone?)*
comms cord u mean kekeke....
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errrrrrr soldier where is ur range card & maker
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radio!!!
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oh.. ok. i din include cos i keep them in a tupperware in the poncho pouch when we were allowed to get the thin ponchos. (no such thing as goretex at my time). think its quite diff now. not sure how diff though.Originally posted by LoVeMeLoVeMenOt:errrrrrr soldier where is ur range card & maker -
wah. tt one abit the kua zhang. and dun teach the enlistees bad lah!Originally posted by jOhO:radio!!! -
wow......juz dint come in for bout 1 day n so much has happened in here. thanx for all de info provided wuming78
(realli gan dong for taking all de effort to tink n type out all de info) n all who haf contributed we will not b so blur when we go in, especially those from de enhanced batch. will take some time to digest all de info though. thanx again. -
u r welcome. i oni trying to pull business for the forum mah. and share some experience.Originally posted by bluez_sky:wow......juz dint come in for bout 1 day n so much has happened in here. thanx for all de info provided wuming78 (realli gan dong for taking all de effort to tink n type out all de info) n all who haf contributed we will not b so blur when we go in, especially those from de enhanced batch. will take some time to digest all de info though. thanx again. -
muhahaha good 1 wuming78Originally posted by wuming78:u r welcome. i oni trying to pull business for the forum mah. and share some experience. -
Originally posted by wuming78:time for somemore information for those who are enlisting soon
1. the bmt training programme is about 8 weeks, the first 3 of which is confinement. this is not including ptp.
2. SOC timing to pass for bmt : 10:30 mins
3. IPPT: must pass
4. to pass BMT: need to pass IPPT and BTP.
5. BTP: all 100m. cannot remember how many rounds out of how many rounds means pass.
6. even if you get gold for IPPT you wont get the money but you can wear the gold badge
7. things you do during BMT:
a. footdrill
b. quite alot of physical training like swimming
c. field camp
d. m16
e. range
f. various "courses"
g. ippt
h. soc
i. OC evening
j. CO evening ?
k. POP rehearsals
l. route marches
m. sit test
hm.. anymore?
so you can see there are lots of things to do within the short time!
essential things to learn asap when u first go in:
1. tie bootlace
2. do sbo properly - to fit you, tape all loose ends
3. the helmet netting
4. the fullpack - loose straps also.
(always remember to keep your fullpacks clean as u will need to book out with them. not clean means no bookout!)
5. bathing in double quick time/ sharing of shower cubicles
6. use handfone at nite without sergeants knowing
7. call sergeant sergeant, platoon sergeant platoon sergeant, and PC and OC Sir! (and greet them! all of them!)
8. proper pushup
9 admin attire = tshirt (vest) + black shorts; pt attire = singlet + same black shorts. for both white socks to be folded down.
10. smart 4 - DO NOT wear ur jockey cap like a baseball cap! the mouth of the cap should be at eyebrow level. the waist velcros should be done all the way. they prob ask for standing collars. and brush shine the boots. TIP: u will be given 2 pairs of boots: keep one for chiong sua and one for parades and drills and meals. saves quite alot of trouble.
11. wearing helmet - wear until the line infront is at eyebrow level, not too far up your forehead. and DO NOT ever carry your helmet like a vegetable basket!
hm.. tts all for now.. need to go out liao.. come back den tell more! (doing this really brings back good old memories!)
can any 1 explain wats BTP? intervals of 100m? crazy man.....24 rounds tink i m going to faint after sprinting 24 times of 100mOriginally posted by erijazz:5. BTP: all 100m. cannot remember how many rounds out of how many rounds means pass.
Stage A (run down) - 24 rds
Stage B (tatical tgts) - 16 rds
Stage C (night shoot) - 16 rds
Total : 28 shots to pass and 45 shots to get Marksman $ 200 + badge
. onli 2 admin shirts r issued rite? my fren said wear till stink.....cos everytime sweat like hell when marching to meals wearing de shirt. -
no lar...BTP is M-16 or SAR21 rangeOriginally posted by bluez_sky:can any 1 explain wats BTP? intervals of 100m? crazy man.....24 rounds tink i m going to faint after sprinting 24 times of 100m . onli 2 admin shirts r issued rite? my fren said wear till stink.....cos everytime sweat like hell when marching to meals wearing de shirt. -
Originally posted by wuming78:
alot of essential outfield items you will pick up and learn after going outfield a few times. for me, my SBO always have these items
de mess mug is juz a normal small-sized plastic mug izzit? wats comm cord? is jack knife issued by SAF or gotta by ownself 1? de torch lights u r refering to r L-torches or normal torches?
1. black rubber bands, big and small*
2. black tape*
3. spare batteries for torchlight*
4. ziploc
5. pen/pencil
6. writing material - the small black book - put inside ziploc*
7. small mirror with camo*
8. 2 x insect repellent tubes*
9. spare black string
10. jackknife*
11. more than one torchlight
12. half gloves
13. mess mug* in plastic bag
14. ear plug and whistle inside whistle pouch*
15. a roll of the cord (... forgot wat its called. anyone?)*
16. compass
17. dummy grenade and magazine
of course during bmt you wont have to have and you are likely not allowed to have certain things u want to get yourself (e.g. own torchlight, compass). this just serves as a guide.
and a standard rule of thumb: always secure all your items! i secure things like the torchlight and even jackknife to my sbo.
in both lists the * items are more important. -
oic....mi blur read 2 fastOriginally posted by LoVeMeLoVeMenOt:no lar...BTP is M-16 or SAR21 range -
2 types of mug...1 is plastic green color the other 1 is metal mug keep inside SBO water bottle pouchOriginally posted by bluez_sky:Originally posted by wuming78:
de mess mug is juz a normal small-sized plastic mug izzit? wats comm cord? is jack knife issued by SAF or gotta by ownself 1? de torch lights u r refering to r L-torches or normal torches?
Jacknife issue by SAF but easily get lost 1...so can buy extra jacknife when there is e-mart...
L touch have 2 buy ownself...very lousy must buy extra...& SAF will issue a small touch -
BTP: basic trainfire packageOriginally posted by bluez_sky:can any 1 explain wats BTP? intervals of 100m? crazy man.....24 rounds tink i m going to faint after sprinting 24 times of 100m . onli 2 admin shirts r issued rite? my fren said wear till stink.....cos everytime sweat like hell when marching to meals wearing de shirt.
not intervals of 100m but the target is at most 100m from u.
and its totally stationary - no run down. that will be for ATP
and its in SBO attire (meaning long 4 helmet and webbing and weapon).
i believe BMTC is still teaching and using m16 now.
anyway u can always wash clothes urself. but for me i used to wear the same for one wk. but i dun sweat much tho. -
yup. and comms cord is a spool of erm.. cord used for various purposes like tying of your basha.Originally posted by bluez_sky:Originally posted by wuming78:
de mess mug is juz a normal small-sized plastic mug izzit? wats comm cord? is jack knife issued by SAF or gotta by ownself 1? de torch lights u r refering to r L-torches or normal torches?
and for torches, i have a L torch on the SBO (placed on the strap to face the front) and an extra torch (maglite). but as i mentioned for BMTC think u all wont need the extra. jus take note L Torch eat batt quite fast. use energizer or duracell for it. -
Originally posted by bluez_sky:can any 1 explain wats BTP? intervals of 100m? crazy man.....[color=red]24 rounds[/color] tink i m going to faint after sprinting 24 times of 100m . onli 2 admin shirts r issued rite? my fren said wear till stink.....cos everytime sweat like hell when marching to meals wearing de shirt.
24 rounds means 24 bullet. -
u realli scare mi manOriginally posted by erijazz:
24 rounds means 24 bullet. , cos i tot u r refering to interval training. -
Originally posted by erijazz:
5. BTP: all 100m. cannot remember how many rounds out of how many rounds means pass.
i tink u r refering to ATP here rite? i juz check wif de recruits handbk n de total no of rounds fired should b 40, 20 rounds required to pass n 35 required to get marksmanship for BTP.
Stage A (run down) - 24 rds
Stage B (tatical tgts) - 16 rds
Stage C (night shoot) - 16 rds
Total : 28 shots to pass and 45 shots to get Marksman $ 200 + badge -
oh yes u r rite. BTP dun have run down anyway.Originally posted by bluez_sky:Originally posted by erijazz:
i tink u r refering to ATP here rite? i juz check wif de recruits handbk n de total no of rounds fired should b 40, 20 rounds required to pass n 35 required to get marksmanship for BTP. -
now, some tips on the fullpack
1. for me i always keep a set of no. 4 in the fullpack in ziploc. even now i ord liao, tt pack is still in my fullpack. oh dun forget to include a pair of socks and some underwear together too.
2. i have at least 2 sets of mess tins: one for outfield use and one for inspection. same applies to mess mug.
3. extra items to keep inside that will come in handy: extra ziplocs (for keeping dirty clothes),
4. there will always be one pack with these items in my fullpack too: (kiwi brush, boot lace, lighter, candles, extra gutters). these are standard fullpack items but they may be in different packs.
5. try to get those thick, translucent white trash bag (NOT those black thin ones). put this inside the fullpack before dumping your items inside (of course all the items will be in packs in ziplocs). this is to waterproof all your stuff. if you are richer you can go and get those bags that serve the same purpose (forgot wat its called)
6. get the really small soapbox and toothpaste and toothbrush for the pack that requires them. get a full roll of toilet paper and remove its core too.
7. if u r required to put in ur PT shoes, well, last time i had 2 sets - one in the fullpack and one for use, so no need in the morning of moving out den rush to squeeze the shoes in. but of course, tt is abit luxurious, so no need to follow. anyway i used the black rubberbands to tie the shoes together, squeeze them into a big ziploc b4 putting them in.
8. eventually i could squeeze all the standard fullpack items into the fullpack without using the side pockets at all, and still have some space in the main compartment. this will be useful when u receive like 3 days of ration which u have to carry together. and eventually, my fullpack was always ready, such that, even if there are outfield ex the next day, i dun have to worry about missing items inside. can jus take and go! of course that comes with experience and own preferences. -
one more thing to add: after packing your fullpack always give it a good shake and make sure it does not make alot of noise e.g. the mess tin hitting each other, or loose items running around making noises. this is one of the fundamentals of field discipline: noise discipline.
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wow so many things ahhhhhh sure can help those who 1 2 enlist liao lor