SISPEC FAQ
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To go to SISPEC, here are some possible suggestions.
- Do well in your SIT test and tell your SIT test
instructors you want to go SISPEC
- Pass SOC and IPPT in BMT
- Get along well with your fellow recruits loh, coz'
I think at the end of BMT got peer appraisals
- If in secondary school you are from uniformed group
then high chance of kenna Sispec.
- Follow instructions and try your best in BMT loh
I don't guarantee that you'll be in SISPEC after you've
done all that lah, coz' I'm not the one posting you wat.
In SISPEC, a coy is run by WOSEs. There are no commissioned
officers in the company line. Almost all the instructors
are Infantry, Guards or Commando trained.
OC = Most likely a SWO who are super garang with lots
of badges like war hero like that. Common badges are
Ranger and US Pathfinder. May be an SOF too.
2IC = Same as OC but maybe a 1WO or MWO. Might be from
other units other than Inf/Grds/Cdo.
PC = Likely 2WO or 1WO and background are Inf/Grds/Cdo.
CSM = Maybe a SSG or MSG or 1Sgt from Inf/Grds/Cdo.
PS and Sect comds are filled in by trainees. Sect comds
roles will be rotated each week within a section so
everyone got chance become sect comds. PS is suay suay
kenna arrow.
When you first go to SISPEC, you will know if you are
in an ASLC or BSLC coy. If you are in BSLC coy, most
probably you'll be posted out after your BSLC course. If
you are in ASLC coy, most probably you'll continue ASLC
after you BSLC course in the same coy.
In BSLC you'll learn:
- Topo
- Handle M203, SAW, LAW, M16 with a scope and trip flares
- Different section/platoon movement formations
- Section/Platoon Fire movement, quick attacks
- Lotsa' IPPT and SOC training... hehehe
- Do advance obstacle course and confidence course
- Do some basic rappelling during confidence course
- Learn to use night fighting equipments such as NVG, NVBs
and thermal sights
- Fast marches and route marches.
- Section live firing
That's about all I can recall. As for ASLC, you learn more
advanced stuffs such as watermanship (river crossing) and
heliborne ops. ASLC concentrate more on company level training. And also a 9 day outfield summary exercise in ROC.
If you finished ASLC, you can be posted as:
- BMTC instructors
- SISPEC instructors
- Inf/Grds rifle coy section cmdr.
- Inf/Grds GPMG cmdr.
- Inf 120mm mortar specialist (need to go SIW mortar course)
- Inf Spike specialist (need to go SIW Spike course)
I'm not sure about Grds support vocations coz' their support
coy a little different from Infantry I think.
If you got posted out after BSLC, you will end up in either:
- School of Armor (possible Vehicle cmdr, AI cmdr)
- School of Combat Engineer(Inf/Grds Pnr Spec, 30SCE, 35SCE, 36SCE, 39SCE)
- School of Signals (Inf/Grds Signal Spec, other signal specs vocations)
- School of Artillery (Arty Specialist vocations)
- Go to Inf/Grds Battalions or Brigades
You go to the different schools to get your 3sgt rank. After
that, you'll be posted out of the schools to the respective
units liao. I'm not too sure about what vocations other
school offers except for combat engr coz' I'm from there.
If you go to Inf/Grds Bn or Bde, you'll might end up as a
scout cmdr in the Bn's scout platoon or recce cmdr in the
Bde's recce company. You'll have to attend recon courses
at SMI. You might also go become a sniper specialist if you
are posted to the Bde's sniper platoon. You need to attend
the sniper course at SIW. All scouts, recce and snipers also
must attend CST (Combat Survival Training) at Hendon camp.
Okay, that's all I can write about possible SISPEC vocations.
Hope it helps anyone who wants to know SISPEC better.
Everyone are encourage to add on or correct whatever I've
mentioned.
WITH PRIDE WE LEAD! -
excellent! thanks! im gonna make this sticky.
anyone who has questions on sispec pls do post them here! we will try our best to answer them.
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BSLC:
Training schedules are damn tight. There're many times where u need to prepare map for topo exerices/ops order chart till the middle of the night and next morning have to wake up very early for training. Appointment holders (held by trainees) will get punished very frequently if u cant meet timing for your men (also trainees) to fall in or get ready. Never fool around with your Platoon commanders/CSM. They've been in the SAF longer than u're on earth. Section instructors are slightly better cuz they're mostly NSF just like u.
Topo exercies an be fun but tiring. It usually spans the whole day where u need to find day and night check points, remedial training for those who cant meet the minimum checkpoint requirement. Remember to say some prayer to the hao xiong di if u need to go to limchukang cemetry area for your exercise.
There are several live-firing training (not those in bmt). U are required to do fire and movement in this live-firing (ie section live-firing, the whole section will charge together and fire at the target) Sounds frightening?
ASLC:
U have more time and training is less intensive but more specialised.
u learn heli-ops, watermanship, rope-repelling, fibua (fighting in builtup area) and fofo (fighting in fortified objective - scraped), some others i cant remember. At my time i also went to commando camp for 2 days going thru the high confidence course.
The 9day field camp in Taiwan is one i will never forget. Not sure if trainees go to there for training anymore. There's this ninja van that sells xiang ji pa (deep fried chicken cutlet) and tian bu la. Instructors will spot check us so that we wont bring money out to the field as we are not allowed to buy food and drink.
(torch light battery compartment is a good place to hide your money)
On the whole sispec is the time to remember in your ns life if u're posted there.
After passing out from there, no matter u become an instructor yourself or go to a unit and become a combat specialist, u have much more responsibilites.
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No more FOFO ah? too back-breaker liao izzit? hahaha.
Which batch you from? I'm from 14th BSLC -
Forgot something. If you want to be PTI and tekan people, must go finished ASLC then go PTI course.
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well done...I like this SISPEC FAQ!
ohhh btw wuming78 where is ur OCS FAQ??? -
err.. no one request mah.Originally posted by LoVeMeLoVeMenOt:well done...I like this SISPEC FAQ!
ohhh btw wuming78 where is ur OCS FAQ???
when master confirm he going there i will write. -
can put all the unit faq like guards, signal, armour....etc etc
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Hi to all ,
I would like to ask a series of questions to the moderators or whoever can answer these questions .
1 - How is it possible for a soldier to be a 2nd sergeant rather than a 3rd sergeant when they get out of SISPEC ? .
2 - Are the chances of being promoted to an officer high ? .
3 - I believe that if you are being promoted to an officer through OCS , you'll get a ceremonial sword . What will a specialist get if he pass out of SISPEC ?
4 - I have a friend who went through BMT said to me that its better to be an officer than a specialist , Can you tell me the difference of an officer's job and a specialist's job ?
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1. Everyone passes out from SISPEC (ASLC) as 3Sgt. But when you are one of the best trainee during the course, most probably you'll be back for the PS (platoon sgt) course in ASTW in SISPEC. After you finished that or relevant PS course in your respective combat vocation, you'll be promoted to 2Sgt. One other way is that your unit promote you loh if you are an KAH (Key Appointment Holder). Example, a 3Sgt during NSF will be promoted to 2Sgt if he became a CSM of his reservist unit.Originally posted by KiloClass:Hi to all ,
I would like to ask a series of questions to the moderators or whoever can answer these questions .
1 - How is it possible for a soldier to be a 2nd sergeant rather than a 3rd sergeant when they get out of SISPEC ? .
2 - Are the chances of being promoted to an officer high ? .
3 - I believe that if you are being promoted to an officer through OCS , you'll get a ceremonial sword . What will a specialist get if he pass out of SISPEC ?
4 - I have a friend who went through BMT said to me that its better to be an officer than a specialist , Can you tell me the difference of an officer's job and a specialist's job ?
Thank you
2. The chances of making into OCS from SISPEC are quite low, if i can remember correctly, during my time in BSLC, only about 20+ people went to OCS after BSLC out of the whole batch (5 coys). The chances of going to OCS during ASLC is even lower.
3. Nothing! Unless you are the best trainee, you'll get a gold bayonet or a silver bayonet.
4. Officers do more strategic planning on a larger scale. Specialists are bascially the guy who kao peh his men and executes the orders from his superior officer in the field. So, specialists are nothing special lah, similar to a giant bullseye for people to arrow you. HAHAHAHA
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i can oni add to the response to the 4th qn.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:4. Officers do more strategic planning on a larger scale. Specialists are bascially the guy who kao peh his men and executes the orders from his superior officer in the field. So, specialists are nothing special lah, similar to a giant bullseye for people to arrow you. HAHAHAHA
That's all in a nutshell.
wat he said is correct - officers do more planning while specs do more execution. hence specs are closer to the ground and are more "specialised" - hence the term specialist. but specs need to command and control their men too. the jobs of specs and officers in the armed forces are complementary and supplementary. and they deserve equal respect. hence whether u get posted to sispec or ocs after bmt u shud feel proud! and whether u wan to go ocs or sispec depends on ur inclination. -
well i was both from SISPEC and OCS.
22nd BSLC and the 46/01 OCC
yeah for sispec the schedule there was damn pack! non stop field outings and make up sessions. gotta learn how to put on your camou quick enuff and to make lots of cylumme straw without spoiling the needle. Cylumme straw is something you make using pipe cleaners and straw and then injecting the liquid from the cylumme sticks into the straw. Mostly used for night exercise.
Few major exercises included Ex Gypsy 1 and 2, Ex Wanderer. Both of this is navigation (wonder if there is any new addition to this?) then Ex Nutcracker (defense ex) and the finale is Ex Grand Slam (platoon exercise). not to mention the gruelling 32km route march when passing out where you walk thru the night and have the parade in the early morning. ard 6. damm shag! for SISPEC, the first few weeks was for IPPT and SOC and the weapons lessons. for SISPEC, once you meet the minimum requirement for SOC and IPPT then tats the end of story. Then the second half was exercise, exercise and more exercise.
for OCS, when i crossed over it was ST 2 (service term 2), everything that they were teaching was taught in SISPEC already. So kinda boring. the schedule wasn't that packed. they stick closely to TSR so most of the time 1030 lights out. max is 1100. therefore its is more spread out and you wouldn't feel tat shag. fitness is always a main key for OCS so be sure to find lotsa runs and even SOC training. meeting the requirement aint the key, improving your own fitness and individual timings is. Spend 9 weeks doing crap that i already did in SISPEC was boring. after which i got posted to artillery to complete my OCS pro term loh! -
wah ur st 2 was so sanitised.Originally posted by s|nNeD:for OCS, when i crossed over it was ST 2 (service term 2), everything that they were teaching was taught in SISPEC already. So kinda boring. the schedule wasn't that packed. they stick closely to TSR so most of the time 1030 lights out. max is 1100. therefore its is more spread out and you wouldn't feel tat shag. fitness is always a main key for OCS so be sure to find lotsa runs and even SOC training. meeting the requirement aint the key, improving your own fitness and individual timings is. Spend 9 weeks doing crap that i already did in SISPEC was boring. after which i got posted to artillery to complete my OCS pro term loh!
charlie hotel batch huh? -
for those interested in the SISPEC song.
it goes this way
School of Infantry Specialist here we come
Soldiers of every creed and race
Soldiers to specialist here we become
Leaders of six men to SET THE PACE
SISPEC warriors we are the warriors
SISPEC warriors with pride we will lead
Everyday we train with pride <--- someone pls confirm. forgot liao
Training hard full of might
Train to lead by day and night
We will strive for greater heights -
yeah... charlie hotel batch. i was in charlie and the shiongest platoon!Originally posted by wuming78:wah ur st 2 was so sanitised.
charlie hotel batch huh?
platoon 2
argh!!! -
shud be ord-ing soon?Originally posted by s|nNeD:yeah... charlie hotel batch. i was in charlie and the shiongest platoon!
platoon 2
argh!!! -
ord liao.Originally posted by wuming78:shud be ord-ing soon?
i was april intake 01
long story to tell again if u wanna ask why -
Originally posted by s|nNeD:ord liao.
i was april intake 01
long story to tell again if u wanna ask why i understand. i ord earlier than my batch too. and i haf my own long story. -
getting off topic.Originally posted by s|nNeD:for those interested in the SISPEC song.
it goes this way
School of Infantry Specialist here we come
Soldiers of every creed and race
Soldiers to specialist here we become
Leaders of six men to SET THE PACE
SISPEC warriors we are the warriors
SISPEC warriors with pride we will lead
Everyday we train with pride <--- someone pls confirm. forgot liao
Training hard full of might
Train to lead by day and night
We will strive for greater heights
mabbe u wanna tell us more abt sispec - esp how one goes to sispec after bmt and the diff routes from there? (who becomes instructor, who goes unit, who goes ocs... etc)? -
i dunno... personally from my own viewpoint. you cannot wayang too much in SIT test. if you keep on insisting to do the things during the SIT test, then likelihood you might end up in SISPEC. coz specialist are the do'ers. In order to get into OCS, i reckon that the planning part and the command and control part is impt coz thats wat officers does. to comannd and control and not ending up doin all the work himself. attitude is very impt too...cannot be too slack. peer appraisal is impt too. for bmt quite simple lah, top few percent goes OCS, then the remaining go SISPEC loh. for sispec instructors, from wat i remember from my frens who was instructors in sispec, they can recommend who they want to come back as instructors. it used to be tat they can select those tat they want to come back as instructors one, but they changed the system not long ago so they can onli recommend now. so if you wanna go back SISPEC as instructor, you can let your section instructor know but of course you must be competent in your field of knowledge as well lah.Originally posted by wuming78:getting off topic.
mabbe u wanna tell us more abt sispec - esp how one goes to sispec after bmt and the diff routes from there? (who becomes instructor, who goes unit, who goes ocs... etc)? -
That would be nice. Units' faq and common vocations' faq.Originally posted by duotiga83:can put all the unit faq like guards, signal, armour....etc etc -
we need ppl who noe abt these cbt vocations and cbt arms to write.Originally posted by jacobs:That would be nice. Units' faq and common vocations' faq. -
Originally posted by s|nNeD:
that should be the correct version
for those interested in the SISPEC song.
it goes this way
School of Infantry Specialist here we come
Soldiers of every creed and race
Soldiers to specialist we will become
Leaders of six men to SET THE PACE
SISPEC warriors we are the warriors
SISPEC warriors with pride we will lead
Fearlessly we lead with pride
Training hard full of might
Train to lead by day and night
We will strive for greater heights
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how to go to sispec after bmt?Originally posted by wuming78:getting off topic.
mabbe u wanna tell us more abt sispec - esp how one goes to sispec after bmt and the diff routes from there? (who becomes instructor, who goes unit, who goes ocs... etc)?
actually very simple. just write on the survey form at the end of your bmt that you desire to be a commander and the chance to go to SISPEC will be very high.. unless of course you performed outstandingly well and got posted to OCS instead.
after sispec?
sispec traning consists of 2 phases - the BSLC and the ASLC. BSLC is 10 weeks, ASLC 11 weeks.
everyone who go to sispec after bmt will do their 10-week BSLC in one of the 7 companies there (A - G). after BSLC, only about 30% of the whole cohort will stay on in sispec for ASLC, and ASLC will be conducted by only 2 companies out of the 7 there.
i don't think there's a special criteria or whatever the sort that they use to choose candidates for ASLC. the saying now is that if you do your BSLC in a company which will conduct the next ASLC, then most of the people in that company will go to ASLC.
going to ASLC means you are confirmed as an Infantry Spec and you will only go to Guards or one of the SIR units after graduation from ASLC.
after BSLC those not selected for ASLC will be posted to support units such as armour artillery etc etc. by the way all who pass out from BSLC is only CPL rank and they will only get their 3SG either after ASLC or after they completed their support unit's course.
as to how to know where you might go to after BSLC all i can say is that you don't know until the last minute.
word has it that the fastest way to get 3SG after BSLC is to go to ASLC (only 11 weeks) whereas the support units courses are all longer than 11 weeks. i heard the armour's course is a whopping 21 weeks! whoa.
that's about it. further info abt sispec can ask me la. like the training or whatever i can tell u what i know.
cheers
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This sispec song a little weird leh. maybe i forgot liao, but it seems a little short? Btw, the Specialists Creed changed before rite? I was from 14th BSLC so quite long ago.
School of Infantry Specialist here we come
Soldiers of every creed and race
Soldiers to specialist we will become
Leaders of six men to SET THE PACE
SISPEC warriors we are the warriors
SISPEC warriors with pride we will lead
Fearlessly we lead with pride
Training hard full of might
Train to lead by day and night
We will strive for greater heights