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i would like some clarification about combat vocations available to pes c nsf
i am recently downgraded by the medical board. my pes status is c2l2 for 3 months. my current vocation is m113 driver.
i would like to know if my new pes status will require me to acquire a new vocation, or if i could still continue as a driver.
my csm is in a dilemma about what to do with me. firstly he cannot post me out because of my short downgrade period and also because there is a lack of drivers in my company. however, i am eager to get out of this horrible vocation. can my csm force me to continue as a combat driver regardless of my pes status? or is he prohibited from doing so according to the policies of the saf.
i am also wondering about the reason what i am given such a short downgrade period. i am currently suffering from severe flat feet and this condition has been present since i was very young. i believe such a condition is permanent and cannot be corrected unless surgery has been performed. so why am i given a temporary downgrade only? -
Doctor Doctor,
I am given C9L2 and excuse of heavy loads permanently. I forgot to highlight to the Mo @ CMPB that I have problems doing sit-ups and running. Can you give me advice on how can I protect myself from further wosening my back condition when I am training in BMT? -
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Report sick is the only way. However the MOs in Tekong is hard to accomodate.Originally posted by Ekit08:Doctor Doctor,
I am given C9L2 and excuse of heavy loads permanently. I forgot to highlight to the Mo @ CMPB that I have problems doing sit-ups and running. Can you give me advice on how can I protect myself from further wosening my back condition when I am training in BMT? -
i was given PES A when I went for the medical checkup before I enlist. I always experience pain on my right foot whenever I walk, run, march, or all lower limb activities. After a long time (about 8 weeks), the MO finally referred me to a specialist (podiatrist). The podiatrist gave me insoles to use, but it has little/no help at all. I am worried that my foot will give me more problems if I continue.the problem is that always experience pain whenever i walk, run, march, or all lower limb activities even when i insert the insoles to the boots/shoes i am wearing. May i know what should i do now? Pls advise. Thanks!!
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nowdays MO cleverest liao haha
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If ur kidney failure and u fail to clean, will ur urine come out different color rather then yellowish or clear white.
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I need a MO's(no offence, but I don't think the rest will be of much help here) advice on some matters pertaining to BMT Recourse.
As anyone would know, someone who gets OOC(or OOT as it's known these days) from BMT/BMT Recourse are liable to be called back for a recourse that fits a personnel's PES status. I'm also aware that, according to medical directives, anyone who fails a BMT FFI 3 times will need to be boarded to see if he ought to be exempted from BMT permanently.
What I don't understand is why are the MO's opinions/interpretations of this so contrasting.
For instance, my MOIC had previously failed my FFI(for my 2nd recourse) for 3 months but told me at that point in time that he "could not fail my FFI" until my ORD(which, to me, sounds utterly unprofessional as he seems to be duty-bound to pass my FFI at some stage without giving due consideration to my fitness at the point in time my FFI is scheduled). Subsequently, when I went for my second FFI 3 months later, another MO just said "I'll pass your FFI for BMT" without even bothering to ask if I'm fit, have any ailments, specialist reports. So in essence, it seems that MO's conducting the FFI's are duty-bound to pass one's FFI(I wonder if this is the case or is that so because MO's are lazy to board someone to see if he should be exempted from BMT permanently).
On the other side of the coin, when I went back to Tekong for my first recourse, the MO there decided to put me OOC after he saw a medical report in my docket(given by my specialist previously) and asked me how was it my camp MO could even have passed my FFI in the first place and allowed me to go for my recourse. It seems that on the two occasions I was put OOC(first time during enlistment, second time on my recourse) by the Tekong MO's, they seem to take a I-don't-want-any-responsibility-for-your-health attitude and decide to play safe so as to cover their ass.
The bottomline is, if unit MO's insist on passing one's FFI and those MO's in Tekong wouldn't hesitate to put you OOC when they check out the gravity/severity of the medical reports in your docket - then the BMT issue would essentially never be solved since everytime I get OOC, I'll simply be summoned back later on. Any expert opinion from MO's out there how to resolve this issue(besides advising me not to report sick in Tekong)? More specifically, should it be necessary, how to go about convincing a MO to take the issue seriously enough to at least have my status evaluated by a Med Board to see if I'm fit for BMT? -
I am an OOC personnel too and I have the same worries as you (Being call back to Tekong for recourse although I am not fully fit).Originally posted by edtkh:I need a MO's(no offence, but I don't think the rest will be of much help here) advice on some matters pertaining to BMT Recourse.
As anyone would know, someone who gets OOC(or OOT as it's known these days) from BMT/BMT Recourse are liable to be called back for a recourse that fits a personnel's PES status. I'm also aware that, according to medical directives, anyone who fails a BMT FFI 3 times will need to be boarded to see if he ought to be exempted from BMT permanently.
What I don't understand is why are the MO's opinions/interpretations of this so contrasting.
For instance, my MOIC had previously failed my FFI(for my 2nd recourse) for 3 months but told me at that point in time that he "could not fail my FFI" until my ORD(which, to me, sounds utterly unprofessional as he seems to be duty-bound to pass my FFI at some stage without giving due consideration to my fitness at the point in time my FFI is scheduled). Subsequently, when I went for my second FFI 3 months later, another MO just said "I'll pass your FFI for BMT" without even bothering to ask if I'm fit, have any ailments, specialist reports. So in essence, it seems that MO's conducting the FFI's are duty-bound to pass one's FFI(I wonder if this is the case or is that so because MO's are lazy to board someone to see if he should be exempted from BMT permanently).
On the other side of the coin, when I went back to Tekong for my first recourse, the MO there decided to put me OOC after he saw a medical report in my docket(given by my specialist previously) and asked me how was it my camp MO could even have passed my FFI in the first place and allowed me to go for my recourse. It seems that on the two occasions I was put OOC(first time during enlistment, second time on my recourse) by the Tekong MO's, they seem to take a I-don't-want-any-responsibility-for-your-health attitude and decide to play safe so as to cover their ass.
The bottomline is, if unit MO's insist on passing one's FFI and those MO's in Tekong wouldn't hesitate to put you OOC when they check out the gravity/severity of the medical reports in your docket - then the BMT issue would essentially never be solved since everytime I get OOC, I'll simply be summoned back later on. Any expert opinion from MO's out there how to resolve this issue(besides advising me not to report sick in Tekong)? More specifically, should it be necessary, how to go about convincing a MO to take the issue seriously enough to at least have my status evaluated by a Med Board to see if I'm fit for BMT?
SAF's MO have give me quite bad impressions during my encounters with some of them... Shame to say that they are Captain or Major. -
Fit, not fit.........not sure whether fit..... Hahaha!! Can see that things have not changed much since I left!
The answer to your problems really depends on your medical problem. How serious is it and is it a permanent problem?
CAT 1 ...Serious but temp....... Still should be put up for medical board and downgraded temporarily.
Cat 2....Serious and perm...... Downgraded perm and not to disturbed in the future
Cat 3.....Not serious and temp..... This is when you will have problems... No one will take you seriously and you will be pushed around.
The idea of putting you OOC and not putting you up for board usually means you are in the 3rd cat. The MO's basically feel that putting you OOC will allow you to "recover" and after some time return to your normal duties. What is happening is that you probably have an "on the ball" MO at you unit who feels you are fit enough to train and on Tekong you have a slack(or more likely too busy) MO who really does not have the time to look further into your cat3 condition. The safetest option in this case is bascially to put you OOC. This way you have 1 less repot sick to see!
If you feel your condition is serious, request for a medical board. If your condition is deemed serious enough, no MO will refuse to do so. If not you will probably just be OOCed and called to come back another time.
Remember that ALL NSF have to go thru BMT!! Even PES Es. Taking orders, discipline etc have to be learnt irregardless. The only difference between a PES A BMT and PES E BMT is really the trainning.
Cheers
Saabster -
I feel that my condition (flat feet + gout + Metatarsalgia) is quite serious and i am really at the loss of what to do. should i request for medical board or should i just wait?Originally posted by saabster:Fit, not fit.........not sure whether fit..... Hahaha!! Can see that things have not changed much since I left!
The answer to your problems really depends on your medical problem. How serious is it and is it a permanent problem?
CAT 1 ...Serious but temp....... Still should be put up for medical board and downgraded temporarily.
Cat 2....Serious and perm...... Downgraded perm and not to disturbed in the future
Cat 3.....Not serious and temp..... This is when you will have problems... No one will take you seriously and you will be pushed around.
The idea of putting you OOC and not putting you up for board usually means you are in the 3rd cat. The MO's basically feel that putting you OOC will allow you to "recover" and after some time return to your normal duties. What is happening is that you probably have an "on the ball" MO at you unit who feels you are fit enough to train and on Tekong you have a slack(or more likely too busy) MO who really does not have the time to look further into your cat3 condition. The safetest option in this case is bascially to put you OOC. This way you have 1 less repot sick to see!
If you feel your condition is serious, request for a medical board. If your condition is deemed serious enough, no MO will refuse to do so. If not you will probably just be OOCed and called to come back another time.
Remember that ALL NSF have to go thru BMT!! Even PES Es. Taking orders, discipline etc have to be learnt irregardless. The only difference between a PES A BMT and PES E BMT is really the trainning.
Cheers
Saabster
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I dont trust any MOs in SAf lioa they're all ..... haiz
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I believes that there are still trustworthy MOs in SAF only that they formed a minority.........Originally posted by watsons:I dont trust any MOs in SAf lioa they're all ..... haiz -
All Doctors in Singapore go thru the SAF. Meaing every doctor in Singapore was/is or will be going to be an MO.
Reason why they seem lazy etc... is the same reason why others "eat snake" and "bo chap" in the army. Remember they too are NSF.
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It's not hard to see why.Originally posted by watsons:I dont trust any MOs in SAf lioa they're all ..... haiz
I mean, I have encountered only 1 professional MO in my time with the bulk of the majority being lazy, incompetent ones who will always take the easy way out(I've met a handful who have passed FFI's without bothering going through any consultation/examination during FFI's, resisted putting you up on medical boards/refusing writing referrals to specialists saying your problem is not serious enough, etc) having the sort of mindset that it's easier to compromise the interest of a person than that of the organisation.
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Those MOs seems to treat patients' lives like jokes.
Wait then if there are ppl who die because of the laziness/carelessness of the MO during FFi then they will get it. -
Doctor,
I passed out from BMTC as a Pes A soldier, after that I was downgraded by MMI specialist to C1L2 perm for scoliosis. And excused carrying heavy load, sit-ups and shuttle run perm. But 1 year later, I suffered a fracture on my toe and was further downgraded to C2L1 temp for 6 mts. I would like to know what happens when my temp status ends? Will it automatically go back to C1L2 perm and excused carrying heavy load, sit ups and shuttle run perm, or do I need to go to medical board again? I have heard from my friends that even though you may have C1L2 perm in the past doesn't mean that Medical Board cannot upgrade you back to PES B or A. Is this true? Thanks -
hello MO, i just wanna know which PEPS i will go in if i'm hearing impaired and what BMT will i go for? thanks!
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When your current PES expires, you will have to go for a medical board before you are upgraded.Originally posted by contact_thatslife:Doctor,
I passed out from BMTC as a Pes A soldier, after that I was downgraded by MMI specialist to C1L2 perm for scoliosis. And excused carrying heavy load, sit-ups and shuttle run perm. But 1 year later, I suffered a fracture on my toe and was further downgraded to C2L1 temp for 6 mts. I would like to know what happens when my temp status ends? Will it automatically go back to C1L2 perm and excused carrying heavy load, sit ups and shuttle run perm, or do I need to go to medical board again? I have heard from my friends that even though you may have C1L2 perm in the past doesn't mean that Medical Board cannot upgrade you back to PES B or A. Is this true? Thanks
It is definitely possible to upgrade yourself to a PES A or B. This is rare as the reason that you were perm downgraded in the first place meant that you met certain criteria to be downgraded. These criteria are seldom changed
Saabster -
Thanks Saabster for the reply.Originally posted by saabster:When your current PES expires, you will have to go for a medical board before you are upgraded.
It is definitely possible to upgrade yourself to a PES A or B. This is rare as the reason that you were perm downgraded in the first place meant that you met certain criteria to be downgraded. These criteria are seldom changed
Saabster
Actually I have already ord. Currently I am a NSman. My temp pes status have ended mid last year (2003). But a few days ago, I received a letter from my unit asking me to go back for medical review next month.
Do I need to bring any specialist letters? or I go back empty handed since they already have my record of perm downgrade in the medical docket? I was seen by the MMI specialist for scoliosis during nsf, now I am a currently a NSman therefore could I still go back to MMI to see the specialist again if needed to get a letter?
Do I also need to see again the other specialist at a local government hospital for my fractured toe or is considered healed by the SAF since the temp status have expired and it is also quite a long time ago.
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Your Perm downgrade should stay as it is. The records are in the docket and in the computer. Very few(and I mean very few) ppl get their perm downgraded upgraded.
MMI usually for the active nsf, regulars and perhaps actuve NS servicing their reservice. You could request a letter from the MO to get your self reassessed there if necessary.
Yes you should always have an updated report of your medical condition when you go for board. If not, it would be likely they would reschedule you for another date. Such a waste of time!
Saabster -
is they any MO here that can answer my qnsss???
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My friends told me that some of the MOs are only LTA in rank. Is it true?
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that cannot be true since all MOs are commissioned as CPTs.Originally posted by chikopek:My friends told me that some of the MOs are only LTA in rank. Is it true? -
Dear MO, i wish to know which PEPS i will go in if i'm hearing impaired and which type of BMT i will go through.. hope you can answer my doubts. Thanks!