Recruits getting $500!
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We were not slaves. We were just the unwilling victims of a necessary evil.Originally posted by tetsumi:cool it guys...
anyway... we r not paying the recruits the $$ wat...
we r all brothers of slavery... (although i have enlist yet, but enlisting soon..
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pay got increase anot we have no choice but to wait for the official announcement...
i started this thread cos i tot it may be gd to share wif other forumites wat i noe n hope they can share wif me wat i noe...
anyway....
/me shouts NS s.u.c.k.s!
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absolutely. so lets accept the situation and get on with it!Originally posted by noel:We were not slaves. We were just the unwilling victims of a necessary evil. 
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"we r the unwilling,
led by the unqualified,
to do the unnecessary,
for the ungrateful."
quite true lahz...
SAF is something like that? -
nah BEH!
When I did NS, it was 2.5 years and I got $250 as a Recruit.
Now they get $500 which is more than what i got as a Corporal and they only have to do 2 years. -
Originally posted by kindaichi83:
I totally agree with you, especially the fact that logistics and maintenance do form the backbone fo the SAF, and without us, the combatants would be fighting with guts and bare hands.Many do not like to face this fact, but who does the grunt work for the combatants to fire their weapons, drive their Bionixes, sleep in their bunks, eat at the cookhouses, jump out of a plane and land safely...the list goes on.
I am saying that once they confirmed that only combat will be getting the 'pay rise', I will write to complain.
My agruements:
1)[b] The service personnel, especially those in the logisitics and maintainence have to do lots of physical work everyday. Including carrying of heavy loads, cleaning up big tanks, loading supplies. They are as physically exhausting as those in combat side. Compares tp those instructors who sit around doing nothing all day., they deserved better.
2) Those in clerks vocations, have tons of paperworks to do. Some of which are very important and they always have to rush reports. This no doubt gives them mental stress so they deserved better.
3) Most combat personnel get to stay in. They don't need to have transportation allowances. Service personnel are likely to go home everyday. They need their transportation fees and of coz dinner... Combat get 3 meals a day. Service only gets lunch.
4) They already have their combat pay. What more they want? Service are as dangerous as combat. Some deal with ammo, some deal with tanks, some deal with heavy machinery, some deal with tons of highly sensitive paperworks, all these are as dangerous as those in combat.
5) Service personnel are always the ones to be tasked to do sai kang. Because combat people are more important, sai kang always left to the service personnel.
In other words, SAF SUCKS!!!!!! They looked down on service personnel. Without us, the SAF could'nt work at all. GO TO HELL, top personnel of the SAF. [/b]
Maintaining the increasingly lethal and complex weapon systems is no mean feat.There is a reason why NSF technicians and ammo personnel are given Specialist ranks..Due to the very specialised and vital tasks of their jobs.How many combatants do understand the whole process of getting that often- IA SAW or L7A1 GPMG fixed?They merely see the process of sending that defective weapon to the unit armourer, then their loop is closed.Do they see the high stress level involved in shouldering the repair and upkeep of the entire SAF's inventory of small arms and heavy arms? The term "Service" is a misnomer.We are not living in wonderland as most uninformed combatants perceive us to be.Yes, the only privilege we may get over the combat vocationalist is the higher chance of staying out in a 8-5 job.But our work is just as onerous.
This is not to say that we are bitter towards our brothers in combat, its more of a deal which has been found wanting for a very long time.Put us in company-level combat SOP and we might screw up the whole show, place a Guards BRC to interact with DSTA, ODE or ST Logistics, or handle the documentation, maintenance programs and perform BCMIS costing for a whole formation, and he might be at a complete loss.We perform equal but dissimilar tasks, and furthermore as conscripts, we do not have a choice in our posting or vocation.What is needed is fair remuneration.Any increase in pay should not allow too much of an imbalance between vocations and smart pay polices to compensate at unique levels of need are required.If there is a pay increment, it should be across the board.Nothing more, nothing less.We serve the country, let her be an appreciatve mistress.
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Quick...go make a call
Tell them u want to Re-enlish NOW..
Den you can get same allowances as them
Joking....
If It Truth...den i think they will announce over the media ,maybe this national day rally?
Just thinking when i will get promote and get my salary increase?
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huh? u signed on?Originally posted by guardsmen:Just thinking when i will get promote and get my salary increase? -
yes, what I am saying is not that combat do not deserve their combat pay but we in the service side are always deem as 'lower class'. The combat look down on us because we don't do all those 'fighting'... people preceive as weak.. yet without us.. SAF will crumble...Originally posted by LazerLordz:I totally agree with you, especially the fact that logistics and maintenance do form the backbone fo the SAF, and without us, the combatants would be fighting with guts and bare hands.Many do not like to face this fact, but who does the grunt work for the combatants to fire their weapons, drive their Bionixes, sleep in their bunks, eat at the cookhouses, jump out of a plane and land safely...the list goes on.
Maintaining the increasingly lethal and complex weapon systems is no mean feat.There is a reason why NSF technicians and ammo personnel are given Specialist ranks..Due to the very specialised and vital tasks of their jobs.How many combatants do understand the whole process of getting that often- IA SAW or L7A1 GPMG fixed?They merely see the process of sending that defective weapon to the unit armourer, then their loop is closed.Do they see the high stress level involved in shouldering the repair and upkeep of the entire SAF's inventory of small arms and heavy arms? The term "Service" is a misnomer.We are not living in wonderland as most uninformed combatants perceive us to be.Yes, the only privilege we may get over the combat vocationalist is the higher chance of staying out in a 8-5 job.But our work is just as onerous.
This is not to say that we are bitter towards our brothers in combat, its more of a deal which has been found wanting for a very long time.Put us in company-level combat SOP and we might screw up the whole show, place a Guards BRC to interact with DSTA, ODE or ST Logistics, or handle the documentation, maintenance programs and perform BCMIS costing for a whole formation, and he might be at a complete loss.We perform equal but dissimilar tasks, and furthermore as conscripts, we do not have a choice in our posting or vocation.What is needed is fair remuneration.Any increase in pay should not allow too much of an imbalance between vocations and smart pay polices to compensate at unique levels of need are required.If there is a pay increment, it should be across the board.Nothing more, nothing less.We serve the country, let her be an appreciatve mistress.
Thus, ever since I heard the news that only those in combat will get increment... I felt very unfair.. Each of us are doing 'slavery' work and we should get our pay increment. Whether we r combat or not...
Singapore is just so 'f**ked up' for making every male in the country to waste at least 2 yrs of their time doing this s**t.... Gives me every reason of not wanting to be a Singaporean just so I do not have to take IPPT every year and go for meaniless ICTs... -
Percieve it this way: The raises given to combat vocations are a fair compensation towards the risk that they take. I mean, being in combat means putting your live at risk all the time. Why do you think that people in armour get higher pay than normal infantry? They risk getting hurt even in normal peacetime. Why do divers get a "diving allowance"? They risk getting hurt underwater, with little recourse to save them in time.
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Then do you think about our drivers? They drive almost everyday and face different risky situations everyday. Sometimes they drive at night oblivious to the many dangerous obstacles facing them. Drivers are not regularly promoted and receive service pay yet they receive more risks than some combat vocations. They are essential to SAF. Would rather want to route march yourself from Hendon to Changi? Even bus drivers get more
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Hmm... I would say that such an increase for officers might be an overkill... Sadly speaking, as would some from service vocations would state, such a skewered increase would be an unfair proposition biased towards the pyramid peak of the whole armed forces, leaving the base of the pyramid with a rawer deal. We see this even in everyday life: CEOs earning the top dollar, all the while common workers for the same company earn multiple times smaller, but do more work.Originally posted by edLow:Source I heard:
MEN/SPECIALISTS: add $150
OFFICERS: add $300 to $400
For the men/specialists' increment, it's likely confirm. My frd heard it from his CO parade already, but the amount isnt confirm.
As for the officers' increment, I have no idea. They shouldnt increase the officers allowance. Becos there are too many of black sheeps among them whom are doing nothing except wasting SAF resources
I do agree, support vocations are hardly recognised. Do you think a tourist to Singapore would commend a road sweeper for the impeecably clean roads, or give the kudos to the entity called "the Singapore government"?
In my secondary school, I chose to join AVA, a support oriented club to all the performing CCAs, and the school functions. However, there was hardly any recognition for the work we did. As a committee member then, I had to boost the members' morales whenever the organisers went on stage and thanked "the canteen auntie for feeding them, the teachers for their inputs".
Conclusion? When you are doing support stuff, it is very unlikely you get the recognition you deserve. -
Yes, I fully agree with you that drivers are very important too. How do I know? I am a bike rider, so I know the risks drivers face. I have seen fellow platoon mates, tired from training, drive from the expressway lane 3 to 2, and sometimes tailgate other vehicles in their semi-conscious states.Originally posted by Master -_-:Then do you think about our drivers? They drive almost everyday and face different risky situations everyday. Sometimes they drive at night oblivious to the many dangerous obstacles facing them. Drivers are not regularly promoted and receive service pay yet they receive more risks than some combat vocations. They are essential to SAF. Would rather want to route march yourself from Hendon to Changi? Even bus drivers get more
I have also personal experiences with being "given the snub" in secondary school. The crux is that as long as we are the "guys behind the stage", we can expect lesser perks than those who show their faces to everyone (sorry for the stage analogy, I have AVA background). No matter how you plead, beg, threaten, society as it is now will remain ignorant of the sacrifices of the support personnels. -
That is because they have gotten very used to the fact that the show will run smoothly for ages to come.Ingrates.
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when i got enlisted into the RSN my first bmt pay was $530....
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kena tua liao. didnt increase any money! ka ni na!
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any regulars here?
regulars pay got increase anot?
i always meet up wif my army/police frens
then 1 police fren told me his pay increase
then that air force fren oso told me his pay increase oso
cos y?
cos DPM Lee is taking over PM Goh
got such thing 1 meh?
take over = pay rise? -
not cos of take over. if there is its more cos of the better economy.Originally posted by tetsumi:any regulars here?
regulars pay got increase anot?
i always meet up wif my army/police frens
then 1 police fren told me his pay increase
then that air force fren oso told me his pay increase oso
cos y?
cos DPM Lee is taking over PM Goh
got such thing 1 meh?
take over = pay rise? -
just went to updat my bank book.....allowance decreases instead of increasing!!! Got 310++ only.....haiz....
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now tt is bizarre!Originally posted by BMEngineer:just went to updat my bank book.....allowance decreases instead of increasing!!! Got 310++ only.....haiz.... -
I check my pay.. no increase... false rumours.... got me happy for nothing...
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You got buy the SAF/Aviva Insurance issit?Originally posted by BMEngineer:just went to updat my bank book.....allowance decreases instead of increasing!!! Got 310++ only.....haiz.... -
Kaozzzz that's double of what I use to get. Sighhh....
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haha..no lah...i mean my job in the civilian lifeOriginally posted by wuming78:huh? u signed on? -
the reason why recruits are getting combat pay soon is mainly becos frm recuit rank to private rank is what we call a progressive promotion. it's like u will definately be promoted reguardless of anything. (now recuit don't even need to pass IPPT to pass out of BMT).
another example is from OCT to 2LT, it's also a progessive rank. that's well a OCT's pay is not much different frm a 2LT.
it's unlike 3SG rank where we have to earn it by going through hell in SISPEC. that's why a 3SG's pay is $200 more than a CPL.
so in the end, to all those soon-to-be recruits out there, enjoy your pay. -
U're riteOriginally posted by Draculax:You got buy the SAF/Aviva Insurance issit? . I found out yesterday also. The money deducted will be for the insurance.