Question on OOC and its postings
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hi i had been ooc 2 days ago and are now awaiting for a unit
but i have some queries on it:
1) is it true that there are many ooc personnels are being posted to a vocation in pulau tekong?
2) is it true that before recourse, ooc personnels had to change vocations many times?
3) the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover and then he will be asking me for recourse but what if i can't recover fully in time when i was called up for recourse? will they force me to do bmt even though i haven't recover?
4) although the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover but in the mc slip it didn't said i was excused from anything for a period of time i.e attend b for 3 months etc and temperary downgrade. i find it very confused.
5) are ooc personnels often being posted to a vocation he's not suitable in i.e a very small sized person being posted as a storeman? -
1) Not trueOriginally posted by ah-soh:hi i had been ooc 2 days ago and are now awaiting for a unit
but i have some queries on it:
1) is it true that there are many ooc personnels are being posted to a vocation in pulau tekong?
2) is it true that before recourse, ooc personnels had to change vocations many times?
3) the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover and then he will be asking me for recourse but what if i can't recover fully in time when i was called up for recourse? will they force me to do bmt even though i haven't recover?
4) although the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover but in the mc slip it didn't said i was excused from anything for a period of time i.e attend b for 3 months etc and temperary downgrade. i find it very confused.
5) are ooc personnels often being posted to a vocation he's not suitable in i.e a very small sized person being posted as a storeman?
2) rarely.
3) End of 3 months you will have review to see if you can go thru BMT again.
4) Depends on your cause of OOC. If you had specialist letter, that will overwrite status slip. Hmm.. actually.. did you get the Room 5 Doctor in tekong?
5) You will just be posted to a vocation based on what's written and where happens to have vacancy. things like small build, no muscle, long dick dun contribute to which vocation you will go. Because you are left with primarily service/support side vocations (driver, clerk, etc). -
thks for your replyOriginally posted by Ponders:1) Not true
2) rarely.
3) End of 3 months you will have review to see if you can go thru BMT again.
4) Depends on your cause of OOC. If you had specialist letter, that will overwrite status slip. Hmm.. actually.. did you get the Room 5 Doctor in tekong?
5) You will just be posted to a vocation based on what's written and where happens to have vacancy. things like small build, no muscle, long dick dun contribute to which vocation you will go. Because you are left with primarily service/support side vocations (driver, clerk, etc).
i get room 6 doctor in tekong actually n i know it is unlucky if u get room 5 as i was a victim before
actually wat i worried the most now is that the mo will force me to return back to tekong even though i am yet to recover as tekong mo sounds like forcing u even though u can't do it
actually i had specialist letter but they reject it. however i got another letter from the tekong physio and the mo accepted it
btw, will i get a medical review to determine my pes status after ooc?
another thing that is confuse me is that i get ooc without any excuses for a period of time even though mo said he give me 3 month excuse
my future is unpredictable -
Talk to your PC regarding your status. Say that MO say you will get 3 months but you did not. Usually is because MO forgot to type it in. If your PC is motivated enough, he should bring you to MO again and get yoru status.
As for being forced back to tekong, try to talk to your manpower officer in the unit you will be posted. He will usually defer your transfer back to tekong.
But if your mpo is not doing anything and you end up in tekong when you are not recovered... easy.... just report sick back at tekong. Not teaching you to chao keng... but if you are hurt, you are hurt.
If you really dun feel at ease about what's going to come in future. You may want to bring it up to OO and discuss your problems. -
1) is it true that there are many ooc personnels are being posted to a vocation in pulau tekong?
Tiz is not true at all lar.
2) is it true that before recourse, ooc personnels had to change vocations many times?
Tiz is also not true, u will hardly interchange btw vocations coz it will require u to go for different kind of training n courses for ur vocation.
3) the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover and then he will be asking me for recourse but what if i can't recover fully in time when i was called up for recourse? will they force me to do bmt even though i haven't recover?
As long as u feel that u r not physically fit to go for a recourse, u can tok to ur MO during the FFI for the recall, if he realli bo hiew den go n see u specialist n c wat he can do abt it. n the FFI will be conducted in the camp u r posted to so u muz see the S1 n MO garang a not. if S1 garang will realli pester u to go BMT everi 3 mths n if MO garang will send u back no matter wat prob u bring it up.
4) although the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover but in the mc slip it didn't said i was excused from anything for a period of time i.e attend b for 3 months etc and temperary downgrade. i find it very confused.
If u realli need excuses juz go n report sick in ur new camp for the specific status u required. or go to a specialist n tell them ur condition n they will most prob write a memo for u to endorse in camp accordingly
5) are ooc personnels often being posted to a vocation he's not suitable in i.e a very small sized person being posted as a storeman?
Eh sad to sae physical condition such as built is not considered. But if u got the appropriate status it wld be diff. e.g if u r excused heavy weight or dust they will most prob not post u to be a storeman. n education level do play a small part as well. aniting below a 'A' level or diploma u will have a higher chance to be a GE storeman or driver. Aniting above 'A' n Dip will give u a beta chance of being a Comms storeman n clerk
hope tiz helps -
Originally posted by ColdMilk:
If you have "A" levels or Diploma, you could be posted to the technical vocations in either of the three Services.OETI(Ordance Engineering Training Institute,AETI(Air Engineering Training Institute) and INTO(Institute of Naval Technology and Operations).I'm not sure about the latter two but at OETI, you will be trained as a Specialist, meaning you will get your 3SG rank.However, you injury must meet the inclusion factors in the vocation directory.So, this is one other avenue besides being a Storeman or clerk you might end up in.
1) is it true that there are many ooc personnels are being posted to a vocation in pulau tekong?
[b]Tiz is not true at all lar.
2) is it true that before recourse, ooc personnels had to change vocations many times?
Tiz is also not true, u will hardly interchange btw vocations coz it will require u to go for different kind of training n courses for ur vocation.
3) the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover and then he will be asking me for recourse but what if i can't recover fully in time when i was called up for recourse? will they force me to do bmt even though i haven't recover?
As long as u feel that u r not physically fit to go for a recourse, u can tok to ur MO during the FFI for the recall, if he realli bo hiew den go n see u specialist n c wat he can do abt it. n the FFI will be conducted in the camp u r posted to so u muz see the S1 n MO garang a not. if S1 garang will realli pester u to go BMT everi 3 mths n if MO garang will send u back no matter wat prob u bring it up.
4) although the mo said he gave me 3 months to recover but in the mc slip it didn't said i was excused from anything for a period of time i.e attend b for 3 months etc and temperary downgrade. i find it very confused.
If u realli need excuses juz go n report sick in ur new camp for the specific status u required. or go to a specialist n tell them ur condition n they will most prob write a memo for u to endorse in camp accordingly
5) are ooc personnels often being posted to a vocation he's not suitable in i.e a very small sized person being posted as a storeman?
Eh sad to sae physical condition such as built is not considered. But if u got the appropriate status it wld be diff. e.g if u r excused heavy weight or dust they will most prob not post u to be a storeman. n education level do play a small part as well. aniting below a 'A' level or diploma u will have a higher chance to be a GE storeman or driver. Aniting above 'A' n Dip will give u a beta chance of being a Comms storeman n clerk
hope tiz helps[/b] -
if i m not wrong, currently the technician vocations are not readily available for ooc animore not like the last time. nowadaes the technician are usually pple who pass out from bmt who has conditional passes or are from the obese batchesOriginally posted by LazerLordz:If you have "A" levels or Diploma, you could be posted to the technical vocations in either of the three Services.OETI(Ordance Engineering Training Institute,AETI(Air Engineering Training Institute) and INTO(Institute of Naval Technology and Operations).I'm not sure about the latter two but at OETI, you will be trained as a Specialist, meaning you will get your 3SG rank.However, you injury must meet the inclusion factors in the vocation directory.So, this is one other avenue besides being a Storeman or clerk you might end up in. -
That may be true.However, CPC does allocate according to the vocation that currently needs manpower.Until 2006, the MES formation could be quite saturated..so don't get your hopes too high.BTW, I am an OOC personnel.
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I think we can have a better idea if we know what is your PES status or ur medical condition (if you don't want to tell, nevermind, we understand)
Here is my views
1.) Not true BUT there is chance that you might.
2.) Not true. BUT let say you temp PES E for 3 mths, during this period, you post out as let say storeman, but you recover in 3 mths time, you get PES A or B again. Sorry, you come back to Tekong, do your BMT and re-vocate again you don't go back as storeman. Sorry.
3.) I believe there will be periodic medical reviews pior to any Medical Board or change of PES status. If you have not recovered but you are given back the same PES grading, please do appropriate actions. This is your health, if you are not well, please make sure the MOs hear you. But I caution you also, if you try to keng when you already recovered and the MOs find out please be also prepared to face the consequences.
4.) If you are downgraded and ooc, just wait for your posting orders. Your PES grading already govern what you can or cannot do.
5.) As ColdMilk have said, physical size does not govern what you are posted as. -
thanks for everybody's reply!
from what i noe, there r ooc personels being posted to oeti
oso, r cases of ppl being forced to recourse before recovering common in saf or not? this is the part that i worry the most as i dun wan to recourse b4 recovering n everytime go tekong for nothing
oso, i have no intention of keng as i would like to complete bmt asap
btw, if i was able to recover in the next medical review then i will be recourse straight away or i have to wait 4 a period of time to recourse? however i noe my case quite well as my pain might b permanent
so if i get ooc in my recourse again will i return back to my unit?
from wat i noe, there r ppl who get ooc n post out but never downgrade pes b4 n some do their recourse months b4 ord
btw, i haven't downgraded although i m now ooc, and those ooc personnels from my platoon get posted out before medical review
i stressed again that i m not trying to chaokeng but i wan to noe will chronic pain that caused by mild scoliosis liable to downgrade (either perm or temp) or not?
thanks for clearing my doubts -
BMT recourse is a must. likely you will be downgraded if medical condition dont allow you before your recourse but that will still be a long long time.Originally posted by ah-soh:thanks for everybody's reply!
from what i noe, there r ooc personels being posted to oeti
oso, r cases of ppl being forced to recourse before recovering common in saf or not? this is the part that i worry the most as i dun wan to recourse b4 recovering n everytime go tekong for nothing
oso, i have no intention of keng as i would like to complete bmt asap
btw, if i was able to recover in the next medical review then i will be recourse straight away or i have to wait 4 a period of time to recourse? however i noe my case quite well as my pain might b permanent
so if i get ooc in my recourse again will i return back to my unit?
from wat i noe, there r ppl who get ooc n post out but never downgrade pes b4 n some do their recourse months b4 ord
btw, i haven't downgraded although i m now ooc, and those ooc personnels from my platoon get posted out before medical review
i stressed again that i m not trying to chaokeng but i wan to noe will chronic pain that caused by mild scoliosis liable to downgrade (either perm or temp) or not?
thanks for clearing my doubts -
i dun mind a recourse as long as my body can take itOriginally posted by antoh:BMT recourse is a must. likely you will be downgraded if medical condition dont allow you before your recourse but that will still be a long long time.
however, the pain is chronic (long term) n i might not be able to recover before ord or even forever -
of course ur condition will take precedence.Originally posted by ah-soh:i dun mind a recourse as long as my body can take it
however, the pain is chronic (long term) n i might not be able to recover before ord or even forever
the best is to see the MO and tell him ur concerns. hes a doctor. he should know better than the rest of us in diagnosing the severity of ur condition -
OOC personnels ususally post to whatever unit that request for manpower. So it would depends.
From what I read, you are just OOC. Haven't Medical Board yet? I think can get downgraded only via Medical board (panel of doctors, our resident doctor can answer this). So just wait for the Medical Board. If you are not well, they won't force you to go for BMT one, if you are not well yet be sure to inform them also (with concrete proof).
If you recovered and your PES status is reapplied. You will wait for next avaliable BMT, not nessceary just before you ORD. (Infact, I recommend you better do it first or you ORD botak )
If you still fail your recourse (Huh?) you will most likely go back to the unit that originally post to unless stated otherwise, sorry no gurantee here as well.
From your post you said that you know ppl OOC, post out but never downgrade. If he is not downgraded, he will most likely come back for BMT. The only scenario I can think that this can happen is the period to next BMT Intake maybe too long so it is not feasiable to keep him on the island. -
trust me bro, when u r getting used to ur new unit n u start to enjoy the slack life like staying out n doing admin stuff + no need to march lar sing song lar.Originally posted by ah-soh:i dun mind a recourse as long as my body can take it
however, the pain is chronic (long term) n i might not be able to recover before ord or even forever
in addition if u have status u can siam all things like life run, AHM run, IPPT, SOC n all kind of wu ar bo ar. pple will envy ur life sho much ..
i ve seen lots of pple tryin sho hard to siam the recourse .. haha
unless ur new unit F@#$ up lar if not u realli wun wana go back for a recoz
juz trust me on tis
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True.Very true.
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thanks for your reply!Originally posted by octega:OOC personnels ususally post to whatever unit that request for manpower. So it would depends.
From what I read, you are just OOC. Haven't Medical Board yet? I think can get downgraded only via Medical board (panel of doctors, our resident doctor can answer this). So just wait for the Medical Board. If you are not well, they won't force you to go for BMT one, if you are not well yet be sure to inform them also (with concrete proof).
If you recovered and your PES status is reapplied. You will wait for next avaliable BMT, not nessceary just before you ORD. (Infact, I recommend you better do it first or you ORD botak )
If you still fail your recourse (Huh?) you will most likely go back to the unit that originally post to unless stated otherwise, sorry no gurantee here as well.
From your post you said that you know ppl OOC, post out but never downgrade. If he is not downgraded, he will most likely come back for BMT. The only scenario I can think that this can happen is the period to next BMT Intake maybe too long so it is not feasiable to keep him on the island.
However, I have still some doubts:
1) if i will only be recovered let's say, 6 months before ORD but i didn't get downgraded on the way so does that mean that i have to stay in tekong until i recovered n passed the recourse? i dun wan to be like that!
then what if i never get recovered before ord or forever?
2) is it true that i will not be posted out without downgrading or attending any medical board? if so, what should i do to arrange a medical board? to be frank i hopes to get posted out ASAP since it is almost impossible for me to recover immediately. however, from wat i know, many ooc personnels have their medical review/board after posted out
3) is ooc means 'out of PES status' automatically?
thanxs for answer my doubts -
i m already very slack now in tekong..............Originally posted by ColdMilk:trust me bro, when u r getting used to ur new unit n u start to enjoy the slack life like staying out n doing admin stuff + no need to march lar sing song lar.
in addition if u have status u can siam all things like life run, AHM run, IPPT, SOC n all kind of wu ar bo ar. pple will envy ur life sho much ..
i ve seen lots of pple tryin sho hard to siam the recourse .. haha
unless ur new unit F@#$ up lar if not u realli wun wana go back for a recoz
juz trust me on tis -
From what I know, if you are given the status 'OOT' you will be given 3 sheets of paper in the medical centre -- 1 is the status slip which is to be kept by your coy and another one is to be given to MPO informing him that you are OOT and the reasons of OOT, the last one is to be kept by the MO as a reference........
I believes that after that your PC will give you an immediate interview and he will take the 2 sheets of paper away and the one which should be given to MPO will be transfer from PC to OC to CO to MPO and now MPO should have your records and you should be on the waiting list...........
In another words, you will be posted out anytime and it's not necessary to attend medical board before posting out as medical board can be held either in before or after posting out. Don't forget that now MPO had your info already so you will be posted out anytime............... Since you are OOT, it's of no use to stay in your coyline......... Medical board and postings are 2 different matters. Since you are OOT, you will definitely be posted out.
As for PES status, you will still be posted out regardless on whether you get to downgrade your PES or not........... You might not be recovered shortly (thus will not be able to recourse within a short period) yet the MO didn't downgrade you so it's no use for you to stay in Tekong....... Might as well post you out first.......
From what I have read, you have been OOTed more than 2 weeks but haven't get a posting, maybe you can enquire your PC or call them personally to enquire about your postings.
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BMT got OOC. no matter what b4 you ORD you still have to finish your BMT even you get PES E by than.
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more or less you r accurate on thisOriginally posted by chikopek:From what I know, if you are given the status 'OOT' you will be given 3 sheets of paper in the medical centre -- 1 is the status slip which is to be kept by your coy and another one is to be given to MPO informing him that you are OOT and the reasons of OOT, the last one is to be kept by the MO as a reference........
I believes that after that your PC will give you an immediate interview and he will take the 2 sheets of paper away and the one which should be given to MPO will be transfer from PC to OC to CO to MPO and now MPO should have your records and you should be on the waiting list...........
In another words, you will be posted out anytime and it's not necessary to attend medical board before posting out as medical board can be held either in before or after posting out. Don't forget that now MPO had your info already so you will be posted out anytime............... Since you are OOT, it's of no use to stay in your coyline......... Medical board and postings are 2 different matters. Since you are OOT, you will definitely be posted out.
As for PES status, you will still be posted out regardless on whether you get to downgrade your PES or not........... You might not be recovered shortly (thus will not be able to recourse within a short period) yet the MO didn't downgrade you so it's no use for you to stay in Tekong....... Might as well post you out first.......
From what I have read, you have been OOTed more than 2 weeks but haven't get a posting, maybe you can enquire your PC or call them personally to enquire about your postings.
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eh i have known lots of pple who din get to finish their BMT before they ord.Originally posted by Joshua1975:BMT got OOC. no matter what b4 you ORD you still have to finish your BMT even you get PES E by than.
if i m not wrong during their reservist they will go for their crash course BMT super super duper slack wan -
trust me u haven seen the best yetOriginally posted by ah-soh:i m already very slack now in tekong..............