Training Accidents and Deaths in the SAF

• tspg

  27 Jul 04, 15:40

  It's an old thread but since someone brought it up, we shall talk about it again. My deepest condolences goes out to 2 SG Hu En Hui 's family, who lost their son in the training accident.
  
  There were training accidents during my time and during the time of my predecessors and accidents still occur now. Another accident is one too many as precious lives are lost.
  
  But I have faith in the commanders and SAF that steps are taken to prevent these accidents from happening again and that neglient personel are punished. The only possible way to have no training accidents is to have no training at all, which is unrealistic.
  
  To that forummer who has been PMing and harressing me, you seem to hold the view that SAF deliberately caused the death of its soldiers or do not care about the welfare of its soldier.I strongly disagree.
  
  By branding people as zealots, you are implying you are such a person yourself.
• wuming78

  27 Jul 04, 15:58

  i dont see why any armed forces would want to deliberately cause death of its own servicemen, unless it is trying to dig its own grave.
  
  imagine, say, a construction company providing labour for construction works. so would it help the company in any way if it deliberately choreographs its workers' demise?
  
  
• tspg

  27 Jul 04, 16:02

  Dun ask me ask the guy who PM me.
  
  I support the way SAF handled the matter, he seem to think otherwise and keep calling me a zealot. I wonder whats wrong with him.
• NathanG5

  27 Jul 04, 16:12

  the fact 2nd Sgt Hu was indeed killed..SAF more or less responsible for the death...
  we can argue till the end of the world on whose fault izit..the fact is its Mindef N SAF responsibility..
  
  Wuming izit possible lock this thread up no point arguing at all..
  the death is in SAF land n SAF hands...
• pie

  27 Jul 04, 16:16

  Originally posted by wuming78:

  i dont see why any armed forces would want to deliberately cause death of its own servicemen, unless it is trying to dig its own grave.
  
  imagine, say, a construction company providing labour for construction works. so would it help the company in any way if it deliberately choreographs its workers' demise?
  
  

  Not deliberately but still responsible no less.
• tspg

  27 Jul 04, 16:32

  Originally posted by NathanG5:

  the fact 2nd Sgt Hu was indeed killed..SAF more or less responsible for the death...
  we can argue till the end of the world on whose fault izit..the fact is its Mindef N SAF responsibility..
  
  Wuming izit possible lock this thread up no point arguing at all..
  the death is in SAF land n SAF hands...

  The fact is that the culprits were brought to trial and there was no cover-up. It is just like drivers who drive recklessly and get into accidents. The individual is at fault, not the entire organisation.
  
• wuming78

  27 Jul 04, 16:57

  Originally posted by pie:

  Not deliberately but still responsible no less.

  oh yes, definitely responsible. but being responsible does not equal to deliberate.
  
  anyway, i agree that this issue has been discussed to death. and there are already several threads on this topic. opening another is not going to add value to the discussion. most likely we are going to see the same persons arguing the same points. nothing much more.
  
  so i shall close this thread.
• NathanG5

  27 Jul 04, 16:59

  Originally posted by tspg:

  The fact is that the culprits were brought to trial and there was no cover-up. It is just like drivers who drive recklessly and get into accidents. The individual is at fault, not the entire organisation.
  

  are u the judge?
  who are to judge them?
  is the sentence pass..so if i were u i wont be that eager to claim that they are the culprits...
  there are alot of facts that did not show up in papers..
  no cover up? ask around..
  the fault was simply push in the instructors..so simple n the organisation is free of any responsibility..
  im surprise that u compare this incident to some accident..
  driving accident?
  this 4 men are bound to Military Law..they represent SAF..they represent their C.O..the C.O represent the COA..the COA represent CDF..CDF represent RADM Teo..Admiral Teo Represent the whole Mindef..
  so whose responsibility is that?
  
  if the organisation were to uphold its care for soldier core value..n check up on the training doctrine n the practical training itself..will Sgt Hu die?
  
  there is a thread on this incident..read it yourself in that thread..better still argue your point there..