BMT : Unarmed Combat
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed... please redirect me to that thread if it has been covered
Anyway, its about unarmed combat during BMT now. What happened to bayonet fighting? I was holding the SAR 21 and I noticed there isn't any latch to hold any bayonet.
Personally, should there be a war, give me a bayonet anytime.
There are two reasons I can think of regarding this change :
1) The whole SAF will be using SAR 21 one day, bayonet cannot be fixed on it... so dump the bayonet fighting.
2) Bayonet fighting too siong? So some kids complain to parents, then the parents write letter to Defense Minister?
(This one is pure crap) -
think they have scrapped bayonet fighting from bmt - and put in unarmed combat instead.Originally posted by kopiosatu:I'm not sure if this has been discussed... please redirect me to that thread if it has been covered
Anyway, its about unarmed combat during BMT now. What happened to bayonet fighting? I was holding the SAR 21 and I noticed there isn't any latch to hold any bayonet.
Personally, should there be a war, give me a bayonet anytime.
There are two reasons I can think of regarding this change :
1) The whole SAF will be using SAR 21 one day, bayonet cannot be fixed on it... so dump the bayonet fighting.
2) Bayonet fighting too siong? So some kids complain to parents, then the parents write letter to Defense Minister? (This one is pure crap) -
yeah they scrapped it, but why?Originally posted by wuming78:think they have scrapped bayonet fighting from bmt - and put in unarmed combat instead. -
this you will have to ask those who were in the transition period when they changed from one to the other.Originally posted by kopiosatu:yeah they scrapped it, but why?
perhaps cos there is no bayonet for the sar 21? -
that's what i thought too... which i say once again. Should i have no more ammunition... give me a bayonet over my fists anytimeOriginally posted by wuming78:this you will have to ask those who were in the transition period when they changed from one to the other.
perhaps cos there is no bayonet for the sar 21? -
Buttstroke to the head ! PIAK !Originally posted by kopiosatu:that's what i thought too... which i say once again. Should i have no more ammunition... give me a bayonet over my fists anytime
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a buttstroke to the kisser will definately cause more damage than a punchOriginally posted by tspg:Buttstroke to the head ! PIAK ! -
Ok Ok correction PAK !Originally posted by kopiosatu:a buttstroke to the kisser will definately cause more damage than a punch -
PAK (impact on the face)Originally posted by tspg:Ok Ok correction PAK !
THUMP (impact on the floor)
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What are my chances I can give a buttstroke using my SAR-21 without cracking its butt before my victim's head?
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hahahaha~ kinda low actually, the rifle is heavier than a m-16!Originally posted by ditzy:What are my chances I can give a buttstroke using my SAR-21 without cracking its butt before my victim's head?
the thing is, the design of the rifle... kinda thick... i prefer the m-16 when it comes to that kind of fighting -
sar21 abit the short..butt stroke to the head almost means ur head will kiss the person's head.Originally posted by ditzy:What are my chances I can give a buttstroke using my SAR-21 without cracking its butt before my victim's head? -
I think by the time you use SAR21 buttstroke to the head, the enemy has already bayonet into your throat already...
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Another thing to note, with the gradual switch to the SAR-21, certain drills also need to be revised. Such as "turong, senja tah.". Must remember the SAR-21 is shorter than the M-16, so ur drills will look kinda funny if it ain't revised.
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revised liao... just sling the rifle over ur shoulder... up n down.Originally posted by ditzy:Another thing to note, with the gradual switch to the SAR-21, certain drills also need to be revised. Such as "turong, senja tah.". Must remember the SAR-21 is shorter than the M-16, so ur drills will look kinda funny if it ain't revised.
i prefer m-16 anytime... the drills more kilat!
and the stupid sar21, because of the weight, the sling rests on ur shoulder and suddenly you can't feel ur left arm anymore. so u gotta lift it up to get the blood circulating! -
Another easy way out for the SAF RSM... just sling your SAR21 swing up, swing down...Originally posted by kopiosatu:revised liao... just sling the rifle over ur shoulder... up n down.
i prefer m-16 anytime... the drills more kilat!
and the stupid sar21, because of the weight, the sling rests on ur shoulder and suddenly you can't feel ur left arm anymore. so u gotta lift it up to get the blood circulating!
SISPEC Advance Specialists' Training Wing had demostrated to all the RSMs in the Army complete set of Armed Drills with marching on a Platoon Sergeant Course Graduation Parade. The parade turnout well and proven that it is possible but til now it is to no avail... -
no avail? waiting for the whole SAF to change rifles?Originally posted by erijazz:Another easy way out for the SAF RSM... just sling your SAR21 swing up, swing down...
SISPEC Advance Specialists' Training Wing had demostrated to all the RSMs in the Army complete set of Armed Drills with marching on a Platoon Sergeant Course Graduation Parade. The parade turnout well and proven that it is possible but til now it is to no avail... -
Nope, maybe it is too 'leh chey' for that someone to write the new mannual before retirement...Originally posted by kopiosatu:no avail? waiting for the whole SAF to change rifles? -
tekong now using SAR21 liao??? no more M16??
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Why give them the easy way out? Learn M-16 first.Originally posted by red_tide24:tekong now using SAR21 liao??? no more M16?? -
I think they learn both but during operation use SAR-21.Originally posted by ditzy:Why give them the easy way out? Learn M-16 first. -
so tekkong still m16s1 now ah?
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how come no bayonet fighting???!?!
slack leh. hehehehe
no more "KILL! KILL! KILL!!!" liao ah?????
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How about BCTC then? The siong siong one (can't rem the name) that requires us to thrust and withdraw at the end?
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that is some kind of assault cse i supposeOriginally posted by zenmaster:How about BCTC then? The siong siong one (can't rem the name) that requires us to thrust and withdraw at the end?