Commando....
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My auntie told my mother that her son (my cousin) got selected for commandos... something perplexing... Recently, got Malays for Commando intake meh? AFAIK, the last batch of Malays in CDO is eons ago...
/needs justification
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Most become commando medics.
There're a few malays/murtad and not malay/muslim.
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Ultimately CDO mah... undergone CDO training..Originally posted by Temujin:Commando medics.
hope to see more replies.. sleepy ah..
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Commando yes, different level of skill and security clearance.
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I had a school mate from JC who is Malay and was selected for Commandos..He was a section commander there too. I think he appeared in one of the old Pioneer magazines too. Back in 2000.
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yes there'll surely be malays in cdos.
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This is puzzling: Why are you asking questions about Malays participation in cdo training? They have always been around in that unit.
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Is it coz in the event of war with malaysia, ur all afraid of being backstabbed by malay comrades?
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yes but very very few, due to sensitive political reasons.Originally posted by DarrenWong:yes there'll surely be malays in cdos.
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39 years of Independence liao, you still tok like that ar? Even Mindef is becoming more tolerant and is changing her policies gradually but surely. Since you added that they are comrades, well they deserve respect.Originally posted by men_@_arms:Is it coz in the event of war with malaysia, ur all afraid of being backstabbed by malay comrades?
Anyway, talking about being backstabbed, I ironically rather go to war with some of my Indian and Malay friends than some chinese whom i know. -
Certaintly not the case of being backstabbed.
I think is Malays are bonded by their religion, their religion forbid the killing of each other. So in case of conflicts with muslim countries, our malay comrades may be reluctant to destroy our enemies.
This explains why they avoid posting malays at Armour and Artillery units.
Tats wat i think only...
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rightful killing is not wrong in any religion.. if a person force fully tries to break into your home, of course you would use force or lethal force if the first option doesnt work. even in Islam you are permitted do defend yourself if not compulsory againt your enemies even if your enemy is your fellow Muslim cause he is threatening you and you way of life. So i dont find any problem fighting against the same race. kill em all let god sort it out!
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for example, if our enemies hide inside a mosque, our malay comrades may be reluctant to go in and kill them.Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:I think is Malays are bonded by their religion, their religion forbid the killing of each other. So in case of conflicts with muslim countries, our malay comrades may be reluctant to destroy our enemies. -
and if u want to go in and storm it...
they won't do it..
lets say if enemy hiding in church/temple/hindu temple/mosque..
who will do it?
if u buddhist will u blow up a buddhist temple containing relics?
u won't..same as our malay muslim friends
now u know why go SCDF and police force now?
speaking of backstabbed..im also quite afraid sometimes..
cuz u dunno what a person is really thinking..
say he will defend..not run..
say he will help u all out..
in the end...the flipside happens.. -
*sigh* like someone who mentioned earlier, after so many years of independence you STILL entertain thoughts like that? we don't fight as malays, chinese, indians, pakistani, etc. etc. we fight as SINGAPOREANS. I have chionged with malays/chinese/indians/eurasians and you know what i noticed? Its not the colour of their skin or culture, i generally hate those arseholes who have no character nor integrity. If your culture/integrity of your section/platoon/Coy/Bn is strong, you would not need to worry about these things. If you have suspicions of someone shooting you in the back, its not the fault of his culture/race, its either because he is an a**hole plain and simple or your cmdrs are lacking.
And to the genius who said that if our enemies are hiding in mosques and the cdos don't dare go in for fear of desecrating... let me ask you, they see all our Cdos chinese looking and then hide in temple how? entire platoon hentakaki outside mosque/temple/church and pull out dogtags and confirm religion issit? (like the case of the PLO hiding in a jewish mosque, back in '01 i think) Then next thing what? change orbat/estb of all strike units to be free-thinkers? Don't be stupid.
I think it was the LOAC manual that said that you are not allowed to charge into any religious monuments and/or red cross bldgs and the like. So IN THEORY, if anyone is hiding in said bldgs, we are supposed to sit outside and wait it out. Not the most practicle solution i know, but *shrugs*
And SBSK, once you mature a little (hopefully), you would know in due time who will stand and fight and who would run home to power up the PC and email their MP. -
All religion forbid the killing of each other except when there is a need to, why our malay comrades hesitate to defend their homeland while Muslim fundamentalist whom are extremely religious do not hesitate to kill their own people to meet their demand?Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:Certaintly not the case of being backstabbed.
I think is Malays are bonded by their religion, their religion forbid the killing of each other. So in case of conflicts with muslim countries, our malay comrades may be reluctant to destroy our enemies.
Tats wat i think only... -
Jewish is Synagogue i think..Originally posted by gonegoose:*sigh* like someone who mentioned earlier, after so many years of independence you STILL entertain thoughts like that? we don't fight as malays, chinese, indians, pakistani, etc. etc. we fight as SINGAPOREANS. I have chionged with malays/chinese/indians/eurasians and you know what i noticed? Its not the colour of their skin or culture, i generally hate those arseholes who have no character nor integrity. If your culture/integrity of your section/platoon/Coy/Bn is strong, you would not need to worry about these things. If you have suspicions of someone shooting you in the back, its not the fault of his culture/race, its either because he is an a**hole plain and simple or your cmdrs are lacking.
And to the genius who said that if our enemies are hiding in mosques and the cdos don't dare go in for fear of desecrating... let me ask you, they see all our Cdos chinese looking and then hide in temple how? entire platoon hentakaki outside mosque/temple/church and pull out dogtags and confirm religion issit? (like the case of the PLO hiding in a jewish mosque, back in '01 i think) Then next thing what? change orbat/estb of all strike units to be free-thinkers? Don't be stupid.
I think it was the LOAC manual that said that you are not allowed to charge into any religious monuments and/or red cross bldgs and the like. So IN THEORY, if anyone is hiding in said bldgs, we are supposed to sit outside and wait it out. Not the most practicle solution i know, but *shrugs*
And SBSK, once you mature a little (hopefully), you would know in due time who will stand and fight and who would run home to power up the PC and email their MP.
not Mosque..
power up PC and email MP...still can help what??
What if Enemy hiding in Red Cross or Civilian Hospital?
or Foreign embassy?
Would you still attack? Just like how USA bomb the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade?
and earn alot of protests?
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im in cdo now.. my company is da yougest in the battallion but my company dun haf malays lei. i seldom see malays wlaking ard in hendon in red beret. my company got some mix here mix thr one, but no pure malay in cdo.
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Some pics to share...
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I think in recent years, they've allowed Malays to serve in Cdo and even fighter pilots... But I think only confirm Armour no Malays... cos Cdo and Guards specialised in securing key installations and junctions, they dun actually engage the enemy delibrately, it's Armour that does the actual fighting if ever we need to move up north... That's the only reason I can think of why Armour has no Malays... comments?
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Well,to begin with in actual battle,I would say that its for self-preservation,thus its not a matter of delibrately killing,but more of a matter of killing or being killed.And there was a WWII General who said this,"In war,its not about you dying for your country,but making the other bastard die for his"I totally agree with this and find it a very wise saying indeed.
War is infact living hell on earth.Where the enemy will do what is far from normal human civility.things like gutting/skinning the enemy POWs alive are nothing new.And with technological advances,it offers boundless creativity for more worse forms of torture.
Colonel Charlie Beckwith,the founder of Delta Force once said these during the Vietnam War,"Kill them all,and let God sort them out."Its not something macho and being said just to show how manly he is.But he is someone who actually knows his stuff.What more can we say?Its perfectly fine in combat to go out in the field,and shed some blood.The enemies' blood. -
grow up, nobody likes war. everyone will try all means not to go to war if possible. there is no winning party in a war, all are losing parties. The worst ones are the civillians.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well,to begin with in actual battle,I would say that its for self-preservation,thus its not a matter of delibrately killing,but more of a matter of killing or being killed.And there was a WWII General who said this,"In war,its not about you dying for your country,but making the other bastard die for his"I totally agree with this and find it a very wise saying indeed.
War is infact living hell on earth.Where the enemy will do what is far from normal human civility.things like gutting/skinning the enemy POWs alive are nothing new.And with technological advances,it offers boundless creativity for more worse forms of torture.
Colonel Charlie Beckwith,the founder of Delta Force once said these during the Vietnam War,"Kill them all,and let God sort them out."Its not something macho and being said just to show how manly he is.But he is someone who actually knows his stuff.What more can we say?Its perfectly fine in combat to go out in the field,and shed some blood.The enemies' blood. -
Provided our Malay/Muslims are comfortable with working with israeli modified equipment..another sensitive topic...Originally posted by Cpl Ho:I think in recent years, they've allowed Malays to serve in Cdo and even fighter pilots... But I think only confirm Armour no Malays... cos Cdo and Guards specialised in securing key installations and junctions, they dun actually engage the enemy delibrately, it's Armour that does the actual fighting if ever we need to move up north... That's the only reason I can think of why Armour has no Malays... comments?
LKY refered to the pple who helped us as mexicans until 2000 , when it was actually israel..
Turkey is only one of the many few Middle East countries that is friendly with Israel...
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Also no malays in BRC and snipers too. Senstive vocations i guess. For the record, I dun think this is right. We are all singaporean, protecting our country!
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That's the only reason I can think of why Armour has no Malays... comments?
Yours is but a brief summary of our supposed "pre-emptive offensive" - i.e. electronic warfare (ADSD), air superiority (RSAF), amphibious/heliborne inserstions to secure bridgeheads (CDO, RDF, RSN), then rapid ground advance (SAB, RDF, SIB) - to a theoretical "Mersing Line", thereby safeguarding the water-pumping stations as well as buffering the island from arty range, prominent communalist agitation & economic leverage.
The idea is to starve off another Jap-style operation in reverse, but the whole blueprint is so common sense that generations of staff officers must've gotten promotions from such campaign designing ~lol~
More soberly, the SAF - even LKY himself - seriously wondered within context about the commitment of local Malay &, let's face it, also other Muslim & perm resident servicemen. Hence the traditional reluctance to post them with such vanguard forces &, to some extent, ditto the ongoing institutional distrust. The stakes are just too high.
That said, it's by no means the whole story; IMO the relationship also involved other serious, complicated variables:
1stly, the SAF faced bigger grassroots problems with initial conscription. In particular, banishing the Chinese culture prejudice about soldiering (vital cuz they formed the bulk of NS intake) & professionalizing training/safety standards to assuage familial concerns. I don't think either achievement was truly realized until the early '80s.
2ndly, the SAF's early marginization of Malays - from "declawing" regulars to shelving conscripts ('69-73) to restricted combat postings (post'73) - was retrospectively controversial, but quite unavoidable. There was a need to remix the ethnic balance militarily, amid deep suspicion about local loyalties from the Malay communalist threat. Yet I don't think this was a longstanding difficulty - as often made out to be - compared to another inadvertent development: the economic dislocation & general alienation of an entire community.
The Government's chosen remedy is to initially stem the societal problems (like drug-taking), then attempt to reintegrate the Malays back into the civilian mainstream (via affirmation programs), while concurrently opening up the military to them again. In other words, the latter-duo approach is mutually inclusive of each other, rather than relate on a causal basis. IMO It's gonna take at least another decade, except I think a new variable could perplex things (more on that later).
3rdly, the SAF also serves a nation-building platform, not just defence. Propaganda, physical fitness, academic & skills courses, common bonding et al. were/are daily experiences of positive reinforcement. Yet its internal social mores are very resistant to social engineering, which meant that Malays - already in perpetual catch-up mode with full-scale enlisting from '85 - had to assimilate into a core culture that doesn't "wait" for them. A highlight would be the Hokkien-Singlish lingo, which has survived bilingual education ("proper" English; Mandarin vs. dialects).
4thly, the lower national birthrate (post-'80s) forced a SAF rethink of manpower resources, regardless of race. Yet, throughout last decade, it has exponentially "technologicize" the soldier profile as well as the weapon systems, both for a force-muliplier edge & also an end in itself. This has its plus points but also created new conflict perceptions: scholars vs. farmers; managers vs. leaders; ops needs vs. training realities; confidence vs. British/WWII-style overestimation, etc.
With the Malays, even as they close the gap on the educational front, I wonder if they'll find the military-technocrat mindset a new barrier.
5thly, I don't foresee eventual combat postings as potentially delicate. Some postings will be off-limits - necessary evil for living in SE Asia - & special forces like the CDO has their own enlistment criteria. But the general mono-intakes (as base for combat main body) for SAR, SA, SCE & some GDS elements won't deviate from a blanket-encompassing nature, esp. since their units form conventional brigades that come under a combined-arms DIV.
The more intriguing question, I think, is who'll take the transplanted Malays' places in the Police & SCDF paramilitary forces. Women? Newer/older/1st-generation perm residents?