jungle survivor in brunei..
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may i noe how many consecutive days do u haf to stay in the jungle? i heard from my fren there is this particular session whereby they had to break the neck of a quill (alive) and pull out the head, followed by drinking a few drops of the blood. May i noe do they still haf this practice now?
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A quail? I heard it was a snake, then a chicken. My, my, double standards these days.
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wait till Master-_- comes back
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oh the things u hav to do just to earn your JCC badge.
may i know whelter money is awarded for JCC? -
a qualifying navex of 3 days.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:may i noe how many consecutive days do u haf to stay in the jungle? i heard from my fren there is this particular session whereby they had to break the neck of a quill (alive) and pull out the head, followed by drinking a few drops of the blood. May i noe do they still haf this practice now?
around 4 days for you to build your shelter and all that.
then theres another navex portion which should last for another 4-5 days. -
no there isntOriginally posted by Gordonator:oh the things u hav to do just to earn your JCC badge.
may i know whelter money is awarded for JCC? -
how bout the killing part? do we realli haf to rip off the quail's heaD? can provide me wif all the information regarding killing of animals?
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u seemed very concerned about that.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:how bout the killing part? do we realli haf to rip off the quail's heaD? can provide me wif all the information regarding killing of animals?
well. the task is to kill the quail. the method taught was to twist off its head. i guess if u can use some other methods they wont fault u.
and i had a platoon mate who did not want to kill cos he is a buddhist. so he simply forego his chance of having a chicken drumstick to eat.
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No big hairy deal. Did this in Sec school in boy scouts.Originally posted by wuming78:u seemed very concerned about that.
well. the task is to kill the quail. the method taught was to twist off its head. i guess if u can use some other methods they wont fault u.
and i had a platoon mate who did not want to kill cos he is a buddhist. so he simply forego his chance of having a chicken drumstick to eat.
There are several methods,
(i) slit throat to bleed (if youre muslim this is the required method done whilst saying certain religious phrases).
(ii) chop head, interesting method to calm chicken by putting down and drawing line in front as if mesmerized (actually 'playing dead') and then chop with trusty kurkri.
(iii) helicopter, swing around then jerk opposite direction, sometimes body separates from neck, flying chicken (watch out for the flying shit though!), subtle viration, just grab neck firmly twist as far as you can then jerk.
Have you even seen a headless chicken running around.. most amazing sight as it can still run around for a few minutes... -
wtf
Proper way of killing chicken. Hold chicken neck with both hands closely together. Grab firmly and twisted hands in opposite direction with full force. Chicken will be dead in split second. When the method is not executed properly it causes unnecessary suffering to the animal.
The helicopter method of killing chickens ( holding head with one hand and swinging the animal around till the head breaks ) is extremely inhumane, brutal, barbaric and unprofessional.
We kill for food and for training purposes because we have to and not because we want to have fun. It shd be done in a proper manner to lessen the suffering of the animal. -
only regular can sign up for JCC right?
can NSF like me sign up?
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For OCTs in Infantry wings during Professional term, they will get a chance to go to Brunei for JCC. Not too sure about regulars though, think they can request to go, though it's not always guranteed.
Don't think there's any other way to get into JCC.
P.S I went for the shorter JST (Jungle Survival Training) and that was because I was in Air Wing. No badge for that though
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specialist can also go for JCC right? cos i remember seeing some warrant officers with JCC badge.
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If you're a regular you could probably go, but little to nil chance for a NSF.
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it's interesting to know how you kill a chicken.
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http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=84607Originally posted by BestAgt:it's interesting to know how you kill a chicken. -
i'm very disturbed by the killing part.. Its affecting my will to chiong into OCS.. so can i insist that i do not wanna do the killing? will i be punished for defying orders? i just can't bring myself to kill an animal.. argh...
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all inf guards and cdo officers regardless of nsf or regular have to go for jcc as part of their pro termOriginally posted by Gordonator:only regular can sign up for JCC right?
can NSF like me sign up?
is it only officers can sign up for JCC?
other than that, other ranks can go too depending on their vocations and requirements. priority would of course go to regulars, but that does not mean nsfs do not get to go at all other than being officers. -
as long as the killing is done humanely (without excessive suffering on the part of the animal) and is done for a purpose (as you will learn at lancer as part of jcc) i dont see why there should be a prob with killing. we eat chickens, pigs, and other living things everyday, albeit without having to kill them ourselves but whats the diff? we just outsource the gory part of the process. that does not make us any less guilty. unless of course u r a pure vegetarian.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:i'm very disturbed by the killing part.. Its affecting my will to chiong into OCS.. so can i insist that i do not wanna do the killing? will i be punished for defying orders? i just can't bring myself to k ill an animal.. argh...
anyway yes, u can choose not to kill for religious reasons. as mentioned, u will then have to forego the chance to have a drumstick - and tt is one very precious drumstick u will be missing. -
No wonder bird flu so common....
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It will affect your JCC score as well I think, you'll de deducted points under the food catergory.
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i wondered how vegetarian regulars survive JCC sia. no enough food to eat is bad enough liao, cannot eat meat how to have strength to go on?
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If you entertain such thought, talk to your PC to avoid OCS, not the killing part, the need to ask if you can defy orders... die lah if OCT start to question if they can defy orders, WAKE UP YOUR IDEAS IF YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU CAN DEFY ORDERS.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:i'm very disturbed by the killing part.. Its affecting my will to chiong into OCS.. so can i insist that i do not wanna do the killing? will i be punished for defying orders? i just can't bring myself to kill an animal.. argh... -
I would think that vegetarians can survive better in JCC cause got so many vegetables in the jungle. ( Just need to search carefully)
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Killing the bird is reasonable during the period then. There was a lack of food and the killing of the bird is so as to provide for our need to eat... to survive. Hence, the name of the course: Jungle Confidence Course.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:i'm very disturbed by the killing part.. Its affecting my will to chiong into OCS.. so can i insist that i do not wanna do the killing? will i be punished for defying orders? i just can't bring myself to kill an animal.. argh...
The main objective of the course is to train a cadre of soldiers who can operate confidently in the jungle terrain, something which many of our soldiers lack the experience of as Singapore do not have (real) jungles.
Before one can operate efficiently in the jungle, he must learn to survive.
Killing animals for food is a reasonable enough act because you are doing so to survive. There is no other food available and you are left with this means, therefore it is understandable even in buddhism context.
Of course, the killing must be done in such a manner that the animal experiences a swift death. This is what is taught by the instructors, do not let the animal suffer.
If you are really so affected by it, think of it this way. The quill will have to die, because it has already been purchased for that reason. If you are not the one to kill it, it will kill by another person's hand too. As fellow living beings, I'd rather take it upon myself to kill it. At least, that way I'd still have the ability to make sure that it dies the least suffered way.
If you really didn't want to do it, you'll at most forgo points. No points will be deducted, but certainly no points will be awarded for the course for that event.
Anyway, just to clarify, the JCC consists of the following:
3 days of jungle navigation test.
5 days of jungle survival. (not 4)
5 days of evasion and navigation back to base camp. (others like to say this is the escape and evasion event, but really, there's no escape part. think that's only for the ranger course)