jehovah witness
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does anyone know what happens to those jehovah witness ppl? they go DB for 3 years and then? after that will they have problem if further studies or finding job? if like that then aren't they ruined for life if they stay in sg?
i'm just thinking cos maybe some ppl might just want to declare JV then go DB for 3 yrs and after that no more reservist! can consider rite?
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The initial 3-year-3-month stint at the Kranji DBs is common knowledge, but JWs being exempted from reservist seem to be an urban legend. I can't verify this myself but, from a fairly influential outside source (US Department of State report), it says that:
"The initial sentence for failure to comply with the military service requirement is 15 months' imprisonment, to which 24 months are added upon a second refusal. Subsequent failures to perform required annual military reserve duty result in 40-day sentences; a 12-month sentence is usual after four such refusals."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2003/24320.htm -
wah.. reservist still must go back DB? i didn't know that. like that how? no one will want to employ them rite? worse than going prison.
and anyway if they never go thru BMT what they do in reservist? -
Beats me too. Logically, the SAF should have no use for JWs since they won't even be vocationally-trained in anything military in the 1st place.
Just the messenger here. -
It's all about the theory of your karma running over my dogma all over again.Sigh.
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What the hell is jehovah witness
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It is a religion that oppose war and prevents his member from holding combat weapons.Originally posted by SerialBox:What the hell is jehovah witness
BTW I believes communists, in which Singapore may still have believers, are also having the same treatment as JW. -
Who created the Jehovah Witness?
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er.. jehova?
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also cannot received blood donation.
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Originally posted by SnowFlag:also cannot received blood donation.
wat happen if they get hurt in a accident and need a blood transfusion ? -
they will rather die than to have blood transfusion.Originally posted by BeEtHoVeN:
wat happen if they get hurt in a accident and need a blood transfusion ? -
anyway i think the 3 yr DB is bad enuf. if they hv no cert to prove they go thru NS they can't find work already. why must punish them some more?
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can't they be channeled to do something productive??? ?
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BTW I believes communists, in which Singapore may still have believers, are also having the same treatment as JW.
No. It's commonly understood that enlistees who has past leftist familial ties would be screened by the ISD; ditto Malays with past chauvinist familial ties. But not so much nowadays, cuz the current NSF generation generally have parents would've also gone through national service themselves.
The US article I posted also mentioned that JWs are the only conscientious objectors in the local context. It's their choice; everyone else chose to serve.
I got this blurb from the ST article on the DB life earlier this year: "Jehovah's Witness members detained for opposing military service are distinguished by their white T-shirts. They tend the nursery, feed the fishes in a pond and cook their meals." It's a boring incarceration, but I don't think as minutely regimented as the convicted jailbirds when inside.
&, no, JW's aren't as shunned out in the working world. Obviously, their religion is deemed an outlawed cult in Singapore, but they're not as dangerous as militarist/deviant Muslims & thus it's up to individual prejudice on whether to hire them.
I think there was an earlier thread on discriminatory SAF practices - Google it out if anyone's interested - & someone mentioned it's not so much with JW's but with gays & bapoks who've been bureaucratically segregated (upon signing a declaration form).
Here's something I found elsewhere that expressed this:
"Soldiers who declare themselves to be homosexuals or have homosexual inclinations are referred to the SAF psychiatrist to determine their appropriate medical and vocational grading. Those who are effeminate are usually downgraded to a service vocation whilst those who are non-effeminate can remain in the combat vocation.
Those with transsexualism are also assigned non-combat vocations and they generally are not required to do any form of basic military training."
source: http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/pcm/34.htm -
lol..so how? they train together with man or what??Originally posted by Moxie:No. It's commonly understood that enlistees who has past leftist familial ties would be screened by the ISD; ditto Malays with past chauvinist familial ties. But not so much nowadays, cuz the current NSF generation generally have parents would've also gone through national service themselves.
The US article I posted also mentioned that JWs are the only conscientious objectors in the local context. It's their choice; everyone else chose to serve.
I got this blurb from the ST article on the DB life earlier this year: "Jehovah's Witness members detained for opposing military service are distinguished by their white T-shirts. They tend the nursery, feed the fishes in a pond and cook their meals." It's a boring incarceration, but I don't think as minutely regimented as the convicted jailbirds when inside.
&, no, JW's aren't as shunned out in the working world. Obviously, their religion is deemed an outlawed cult in Singapore, but they're not as dangerous as militarist/deviant Muslims & thus it's up to individual prejudice on whether to hire them.
I think there was an earlier thread on discriminatory SAF practices - Google it out if anyone's interested - & someone mentioned it's not so much with JW's but with gays & bapoks who've been bureaucratically segregated (upon signing a declaration form).
Here's something I found elsewhere that expressed this:
"Soldiers who declare themselves to be homosexuals or have homosexual inclinations are referred to the SAF psychiatrist to determine their appropriate medical and vocational grading. Those who are effeminate are usually downgraded to a service vocation whilst those who are non-effeminate can remain in the combat vocation.
Those with transsexualism are also assigned non-combat vocations and they generally are not required to do any form of basic military training."
source: http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/pcm/34.htm
Gays..hope the SAF psychiatrist is a female..
DEN can convert the gay back to straight..
dunno use what "method" oso can..
as long as it manages to turn the gay into guy..
it's worth it..singapore will have more children!
7th day adventist oso opposes NS..
in the end all the followers kana jailed i think
i don't believe in the gun or whatever(no offense to SAF pple)
but i believe in the defending of SG
rather then to use gun and kill
A gun has two uses.
1. to shoot the enemy who is pointing his gun
2. to go around killing people like a savage
if pple use 2 on us, we use 1 on him ( i approve)
Anyway , even if a war did break out, we must still be pragmatic..
however much my CO order me to fire on a group of children
i will not!!
unlike the russian terrorists who fire on a group of children..
shame on them!