When is Sar21 rifle going to replace m16s1 in tekong?
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Hey i wana know cause im going to be enlisted in like 2 years time. and when i was at the army open house i fired 5 rounds of the sar and all of them hit. so when go tekong easy to get marks man
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i only got 4 hits, i miss one by a little over the head
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You must know the tecnique of shooting
my friend that finish ns tell me that u breath full breath and exhale like 1/4 of ur breath and tuck the bud of the gun close to ur shoulder and ur hand dun shiver can confirm hit 1 -
dunno when its gonna replace m16 but the sar21 range is not gonna b 100m i think cos got the scope.
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Agree. The SAR-21 has an optical scope that the M16 doesn't. I'll rather recruits continue master the latter weapon along the way (even if they upgrade the rifles).
In particular, how to "manually" function with the front-sight post & rear-sight aperture, be it for battlesight grouping/zeroing exercises or learning how to aim in the day/night conditions. It's a fundamental skill for all soldiers. -
Don't touch the SAR21 till you know what the M-16 feels like, in hand and in action.
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SAR-21 will not be using the Fig.12 targets it will be smaller in size.And i do agree that it is important to master the M16 iron sights before using a scoped optical sight.And that bayonet fighting should be re-implemented.
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sar21 is jus like a toy gun imo. it give me the rubber feeling...m16 is more solid " feeling".
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actually how do u guys zero a rifle?
if zero wrongly how ar? -
u ned to use a "canadian bull" for zeroing m16. if u nvr zero properly, ur shot will not end up on where u wanna b. to zero u ned to flush the foresight tip 1st. its like neutralising the rifle. the canadian bull is a n shaped target. ur foresight tip will place on the bottom of the canadian bull n u shoot. it eh shots land too right, ur specs will help u adjust the tip/rear aperture to bring ur shots to the centre of canadian bull.
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what's the programme at the AOH Range?
100m? figure what? -
Then your bullets will go to the places you don't want them to go.Originally posted by SerialBox:actually how do u guys zero a rifle? if zero wrongly how ar? -
actually how do u guys zero a rifle? if zero wrongly how ar?
There's 2 parts:
(a) a Grouping Exercise, conducted in a regular multipurpose hall, where you "fire" a 3-round shot group by aiming at a (maneuvreable) small Canadian Bull target thrice. The latter is manipulated by your partner; you signal him on where to mark each time; he measures the distance between the "triangular" spots to ensure they fall within the permissible mathematical standard.
Failure here probably means 20 push-ups plus an angry scolding, before being sent to redo the grouping from scratch.
Success here would still - likely - result in your 3-shot grouping appearing too divergent from the "median" crosshairs on the paper, eg. too high & on the left. Then it's a case of your trainer or yourself manually "clicking" the front-sight post (for up/down) & rear-sight aperture (for left-right) to recompensate. You'll then be send to do another grouping for confirmation; the uniform attempts for recruits are usually 3 tries before he starts getting a "wowo king label.
(b) a Zeroing Exercise, conducted in a shooting range, where you fire a 3-round shot group with real bullets. Thereafter it's the same battlesight adjustment as the earlier mentioned. The tekan-ing for any dragged-out zeroing can be substantial during my time, given the hot weather & a shortfall of instructors to meet the long queues for sight "clicking" (many DIs have other range duties).
FYI Sometimes the M16 sights can be "clicked" to the max, usually left or right, but leaves the soldier nowhere near the median crosshairs. What to do then? An officer can arrange with his armskot to formally change rifles, but a common peng usually has to make-do, i.e. aim agak-agak slightly more to the left or right - at thin air - & hope it'll hit the target. I kena this for my last reservist shoot, & qualified marksman out of it! (Basically entails staying rigidly still/holding your breath when you see your 1st round knock the target down.)
The other skill I mentioned - learning to fire in day/night conditions - cannot be underestimated either. At night, in particular, you need to flip the rear-sight aperture to the bigger aiming hole. The front-sight post has an in-built luminous tip that mustn't be covered in rifle oil; if it's spoilt you'll have to improvise with chalk or (dubiously, for me) white tape. Following which it's a case of gauging the imaginary crosshairs as you take aim; it's good if you see the target collapse but otherwise you're left wondering where the round landed if it doesn't. That's why tracer rounds are quite beneficial. -
so izzit hard to zero a rifle and waste time rite?
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zeroing is worth the time. if u dun zero properly, its very hard to hit the target...
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it's relatively easy to zero your m16. ask your sgts to teach u lah.Originally posted by SerialBox:so izzit hard to zero a rifle and waste time rite?
zeroing is very important as it will affect your shots. a nicely zeroed m16 will 80.8769% guarantee u will get your class1 marksman award an your $200 price money. -
regrading SAR21 replacing M16 for BMTC recruits. i highly doubt it. cos for now SAR21 is only used by combat units. somemore all soldiers must 1st know how to handle m16 before they master other more compicated weapons.
sigh... i'm from a support unit, never used a SAR21 before...
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hehe but i prefer the sar 21 but first must learn to use M16S1 haiz that is a really old gun
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if i able to go into any combat unit i will able to shoot with my left using M16S1 or right hand using SAR 21
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I can tell you that BMTC Tekong are using guns that can classified as antiques while SISPEC, also in Tekong, are using better guns.Originally posted by SerialBox:Hey i wana know cause im going to be enlisted in like 2 years time. and when i was at the army open house i fired 5 rounds of the sar and all of them hit. so when go tekong easy to get marks man -
Who here is a Class 1 Marksman?
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er.. wats class 1 marksman??? isit more den 50/54???Originally posted by SerialBox:Who here is a Class 1 Marksman? -
ok la who here is a Marksman?
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dun think they will replace the M16 in this moment of time or in the near future...SAR21 is only for guards and commandos all those...Unless u go this two, then u will get to use SAR21...M16 also not bad lah...They come a long way...
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1st yr window i got 2nd yr window cant get... due to poor zeroing n parkjiaoness...