When is Sar21 rifle going to replace m16s1 in tekong?

• LazerLordz

  12 Sep 04, 00:40

  I see this everyday, without the sights of course.Lol.
• Moxie

  12 Sep 04, 01:35

  M-16 wise,its a battle proven weapon,no doubt.For me,I find that it is too long,cumbersome at times,feels heavy when supported for long periods while standing and firing.And its rather IA prone.
  
  In my opinion,the best weapon is the M-4 Carbine,Car-15 Carbine or G36C Carbine.

  There's another topic in itself, the comparing of the SAR-21 & any of the Carbines. I also think it's better to compare between them than with the M16.
  
  In fact, between Tekong (M16) & reservist (M203), my assigned weapon in Arty was a Colt Commando CAR-15 carbine all the way. I dunno how my outfit ended up with them; perhaps the shortenable butt stock was deemed more practical as we traveled in the M113's. But then the Armored unit who shared the same camp as us were using the elongated M16's.
  
  The CAR-15 felt more plastic-ky compared to the M16, but then we weren't complaining. The SAR soldiers who saw us probably envy us & our "SOE-ish" profile, & running the SOC with them was also a blast.
  
  But, with the various bells & whistles being experimented with the SAR-21, I don't think the CAR-15 can offer any competition. As stated in another thread, I see the SAR-21 as a true 3G weapon. For one, the radical laser-pointer suggests the weapon's more suited for close-quarter combat - yet remains generally versatile - as compared to the 1G, utilitarian M16/AR15 variants.
  
  & now they're trying to attach a camera to it to shoot around corners!
  
  Better yet, it's Made In Singapore, i.e. something to call our own.
  
  My only worry is with physical robustness: hopefully it can be as reasonably durable as the CAR-15, whose buttstock needed quite a bit of maintainence to repair the wear-&-tear near the end of our NS.
• SerialBox

  12 Sep 04, 09:57

  hmmmm....
  car-15? is that gun like a carbine or something?
• LazerLordz

  12 Sep 04, 12:10

  The CAR-15 is the carbine version of the Armalite AR-15, the predecssor to the M16.It has no forward assist as opposed to the M16.One difference between the M4(Colt or Knight Armament) and the CAR-15 is the carrying handle.The M4's carrying handle is stronger and has an integrated windage compensator, and is able to be detached to expose the P-rail beneath.Even the handguard diameter is slightly bigger than the CAR-15.It is Made in America whereas our CAR-15 is made by CIS, and yes, the butt stock and the carrying handle is subjected to lots of cracks.That's all I know about this weapon.
• SerialBox

  12 Sep 04, 12:51

  u perfer the CAR-15 or the Colt m4 Carbine?
• martin_lim85

  12 Sep 04, 12:55

  i like M4 more
• mr_sotong

  18 Sep 04, 13:16

  Ak-47 better.... can be fire even in very very very harsh condition....
• Caesar95

  18 Sep 04, 13:22

  Originally posted by Manager433:

  SAR 21 will NOT,I repeat again,WILL NOT REPLACE the M16S1 rifle.This was disclosed to me by my unit CO.SAR 21 basically is use to arm a few combat units.Eg:Infantry,Guards,SOF,Tankees.
  
  All recruits still train to use the M16S1.They must know the basic of firing the M16S1.What if while in battle,their SAR 21 fails to work and they pickup a M16 and doesn't know how to handle it or fire it,they will sure die lah.

  How ur CO noe? ur CO can read TEO Chee Hean and MG Desmod's mind?
• chunyong

  18 Sep 04, 13:22

  Originally posted by mr_sotong:

  Ak-47 better.... can be fire even in very very very harsh condition....

  Ak-47 is communists favs...democratic countries like us won't use them, even if got use also make sure we aren't seen using it.
• fett

  18 Sep 04, 13:25

  Originally posted by SpecOps87:

  SAR-21 will not be using the Fig.12 targets it will be smaller in size.And i do agree that it is important to master the M16 iron sights before using a scoped optical sight.And that bayonet fighting should be re-implemented.

  at last, one other soul who think that bayonet is still relevant
• Caesar95

  18 Sep 04, 13:27

  Originally posted by fett:

  at last, one other soul who think that bayonet is still relevant

  Totally AGREE! Close combat use wat to fight?
• fett

  18 Sep 04, 13:37

  Originally posted by Caesar95:

  Totally AGREE! Close combat use wat to fight?

  some were saying we can swing the rifle like bludgeon. with a bayonet, you can thrust and club the bugger.
  
  and to keep him down and dead, no better way than to cut him open. can't be sure with a club. i think.....
• SibeiSuayKia

  18 Sep 04, 14:46

  Originally posted by chunyong:

  Ak-47 is communists favs...democratic countries like us won't use them, even if got use also make sure we aren't seen using it.

  is singapore democractic is the first place?
• Caesar95

  18 Sep 04, 15:02

  Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:

  is singapore democractic is the first place?

  Hmmm.....a thoughtful question
• LazerLordz

  18 Sep 04, 23:26

  Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:

  is singapore democractic is the first place?

  No.
• chunyong

  18 Sep 04, 23:33

  Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:

  is singapore democractic is the first place?

  erm....depends how u see it lah. 2 sides to a coin mah...
  
  'to build a democratic society, based on justice and equality...'
  
  there u go...democratic