engineering spec
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would like to know more about being a regular engineering specialist in armour. what is the 21 weeks basic training like for starters? is it a stay in training and only can book out in the weekends? will the training be like the basics of how a vehicle (engine) works and functions and getting to know the various armor vehicles in SAF? as an engineering spec, can i choose to be with the armour instead of dealing with land rovers and tonners? after the basic tech training, will i pass out as a 3SG? i understand that the salary scale per individual is based on educational level but after 3SG, when will one get a shot at 2SG? what is the CPF deductions and contribution (from MINDEF) be like - what is the percentage? too many queries, need answers from those in service or been through it. thanks.
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Hiz,
Vehicle Technicians are called ATS - Auto Technician Specialist.
Technicans are trained in 3 types; A, B and C.
A is Armour, B is normal on road vehicles and C is for heavy hydraulics, i.e Forklift
The course used to be a 6 months course for Armour Technicians consisiting of Phase 1 - Theory and Phase 2 - Practical. But from what I know, it is reduce to only practical in order to shorten the course and trainees are given CD-Rom to bring home to study. The course is conducted at OETI and is a stay out course though one still need to perform the regimental guard duty.
When I attended the course 2 years back, we were taught first on the M113 Ultra, AMX-13 and then the BV-206. You will definitely taught and need to know how the engine works, including the fuel line, batteries, etc. The road system, especially the track is one of the most important too...
This course is a 4/5 grade course, so the rank will be a 3SG. Normally for regulars, after a year of getting their 3SG rank, they will be promoted to 2SG. As for the CPF deductions and stuffs, I am not too sure...
As for other courses with regards to Bionix, Bronco and RCV, you may be send by your unit to attend them... -
will a person without any knowledge of machinary, vehicle qualify for the job?
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thanks for the info.Originally posted by Dalforce:Hiz,
Vehicle Technicians are called ATS - Auto Technician Specialist.
Technicans are trained in 3 types; A, B and C.
A is Armour, B is normal on road vehicles and C is for heavy hydraulics, i.e Forklift
The course used to be a 6 months course for Armour Technicians consisiting of Phase 1 - Theory and Phase 2 - Practical. But from what I know, it is reduce to only practical in order to shorten the course and trainees are given CD-Rom to bring home to study. The course is conducted at OETI and is a stay out course though one still need to perform the regimental guard duty.
When I attended the course 2 years back, we were taught first on the M113 Ultra, AMX-13 and then the BV-206. You will definitely taught and need to know how the engine works, including the fuel line, batteries, etc. The road system, especially the track is one of the most important too...
This course is a 4/5 grade course, so the rank will be a 3SG. Normally for regulars, after a year of getting their 3SG rank, they will be promoted to 2SG. As for the CPF deductions and stuffs, I am not too sure...
As for other courses with regards to Bionix, Bronco and RCV, you may be send by your unit to attend them...
still was hoping to know more about the CPF contribution and deduction systems for engineering specs.
anyway i have sent an email to miw.com through the relevant channel
and is hoping for a reply from them
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i think the qualifications in the relevant field is very important.Originally posted by Gordonator:will a person without any knowledge of machinary, vehicle qualify for the job?
i am a diploma holder from SP with mech engrg.
was taught (and i am sure those in the course were taught the same too)
about the basic concept of hold internal combustion and the
combined timing of fired cylinders do work.
as for the structure of the various armor vehicles, i am sure the course and unit will cover them - that is the time to ask, hands on and learn.
lucky for me i was attached and worked quite closely with the SAF armor veh parts, from armour plate, engine drives to lightings and lamps.......
hope i can have a chance to work with bionix, ATTC again. -
No touble...
Ermz,
Should be able to qualify, cos training are provided. And during my batch got quite a number of people without any knowledge in machinery.
But you really need to know how to repair the tanks lahz, especially out-field and servicing. Else a bit hard to gain the crews' respect, especially when most technicians are service specialists... -
i wanna get this clear,
a armour spec and a armour technician is 2 totally different thing right?
a armour spec's job is know how to operate the tanks and lead his men to war, while a armour technician only know how to repair the tanks right?
so 'm back u are interested in signing on as armour technician not a armour spc who chong suah with his men lah right? -
no lah...Originally posted by Gordonator:i wanna get this clear,
a armour spec and a armour technician is 2 totally different thing right?
a armour spec's job is know how to operate the tanks and lead his men to war, while a armour technician only know how to repair the tanks right?
so 'm back u are interested in signing on as armour technician not a armour spc who chong suah with his men lah right?
i hav checked out miw.com.and did dome homework...am too old for chiong suah...those are actually combat specialist and being one you can specialise in infantry (all riflemen), armour (learn to drive tank , no repairs, lead a tank crew), commandoes (red headed task forces of the army, cream of the corp), signals (lead a platoon of radiomen or a node out to field), as a guardsman etc.
i think engineering specs refers to technicians, service and maintenance personel both in the field and workshops. they can specialist in signal equipments, armour vehicles, weaponry and small arms, ammunitions and explosives.
so if you sign on as a signal engineering tech, u probably will break up a radio set or a series of communication and computer devices and know them inside out should you need to fault-find into it one day.
for an armor engineering spec (or perhaps technician as we call it), you will need to know the armour vehicles you are responsible for inside out i guess, keep it running and fault find it in the field should it break down.
anyway there may be a likelihood that engineering specs (say armor) specialising in a certain operation of a tank. i used to work for XXX organization. they have designers who designa tank, welders and welding inspectors to fuse the hull, mechanics and enngineers to assemble the transmission shaft, dropbox, final drives, dampers, braking, fluid and hydraulic systems etc, electricians and electronics staff to connect the related electrical power circuits, cooling, air exhaust system, lights and communication devices, contract general workers to assemble the seats, dashboards and external armour plates....u see lots of work to be done to make a battle tank. -
Yah, they are 2 different things.Originally posted by Gordonator:i wanna get this clear,
a armour spec and a armour technician is 2 totally different thing right?
a armour spec's job is know how to operate the tanks and lead his men to war, while a armour technician only know how to repair the tanks right?
so 'm back u are interested in signing on as armour technician not a armour spc who chong suah with his men lah right?
Being an Armour Technician, you will either be deployed to a combat unit or a base, depending on your PES status.
If you are in a combat unit, this is further spilt into FMT (Forward Maintenance Team) and MMT (Main Maintenance Team). FMT are under the company's strength and will be in a RCV during exercises. During outfield, may be required to camo the vehicle. FMT also are on the constant move with the company though they lagger at the 'rear' with the OC and stuffs when they reach their designation and are only deployed out when needed.
As for MMT, they are under HQ (Workshop) strength and may not be out in a vehicle during exercises. Those who are 'arrowed' to be on the move will be in a Bronco (3 ATS, 1 Comms Tech + 1 Turret Mech) and attached to a company to assist the FMT.
For base technicians, I am not too sure.
By the way, technicians also need to apply camo sometimes... (At least in my unit...)