Witness relates dunking death of soldier
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gd question but i can vouch that i dontOriginally posted by crosshairs:Nathan.....can you vouch for every single one of us here that none of us harbours that ill-feeling towards that unit?
Yes/No?
The poor guy whose tone sounded much like yours was called "brain dead". He was attempting to give his part of view of the matter. Who's the one not being humble here? Hmm?
the "poor guy" was championing the 4 arsehole like god...maybe 3..so pls it doesnt sound like me..
humble? u expect someone whose fren got killed by some arsehole to be humble?
dude..u are toking abt different thing now..take a hit on your pride wont lead to death rite?
firstly HENG@ not from any elite unit..2ndly he lost a fren..
so is there a need to be humble here?
btw...how come u answer my post?
im sure my post was not refering to u eh?
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Commando officer says he tried to stop dunking of trainee By Dominique Loh, Channel NewsAsia
SINGAPORE : A commando officer tried to stop the dunking of 2nd Sergeant Hu En Huai during the ill-fated Combat Survival Training Course.
Lieutenant Kong Wai Kheong is the first witness in the trial of four commandos blamed for Sergeant Hu's death.
He testified that he tried to intervene during the ill-treatment of the trainees.
Lieutenant Kong could have saved 2nd Sergeant Hu, but he intervened a little too late.
The commando lieutenant did not see the entire dunking, and only intervened after Sergeant Hu had been dunked a few times.
Lt Kong said: "The moment Lieutenant Divanandhari pulled the deceased's head out of the water, I immediately told Diva to stop dunking him into the water.
"I noticed that the deceased was in a bad shape. He reacted differently when he was pulled out of the water. He was extremely weak. He tried to breathe hard and his lips had turned pale. He did not struggle as a normal person."
Lieutenant Kong, a Platoon Commander at Hendon Camp, had sent seven men from his Strike Reconnaissance Team to attend the combat survival training course.
He was at Pulau Tekong to observe their progress.
Although Lt Kong is not an official instructor for the CST course, he was there because his own men were attending the course.
In his own words, he was there to assist the other instructors from station to station.
During cross examination, Lt Kong admitted he had helped hold down the legs of some trainees as they were dunked.
When asked why, he said it was to prevent the trainees from getting injured as they thrashed around. - CNA -
I shall attempt to clear the air here. From what I read of his 3 paragraphs, he attempts to speak on behalf of the elite forces and the members that make up the people whom we consider as "unconventional". Unless I missed certain words, I take it that he wasn't refering only to the 3 or 4 in question.Originally posted by NathanG5:gd question but i can vouch that i dont
the "poor guy" was championing the 4 arsehole like god...maybe 3..so pls it doesnt sound like me..
humble? u expect someone whose fren got killed by some arsehole to be humble?
dude..u are toking abt different thing now..take a hit on your pride wont lead to death rite?
firstly HENG@ not from any elite unit..2ndly he lost a fren..
so is there a need to be humble here?
The question about taking a hit on my pride......Nathan, where anyone here is concerned, I am but a registered account that comes along with texts. Texts have no pride. And I am talking about how the whole lot was dragged down by the actions of a few, if you wanna clarify that too.
You mentioned something which I would like to rephrase, if I may.
"Anyone who is not from an elite unit and lost a friend does not need to be humble."
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Nathan, I hope that doesn't mean that it is against logic to answer on someone else's behalf? I would appreciate if someone answered on my behalf, wouldn't you?Originally posted by NathanG5:btw...how come u answer my post?
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ic..then that will be your way interpreting it..sure aint mine..Originally posted by crosshairs:I shall attempt to clear the air here. From what I read of his 3 paragraphs, he attempts to speak on behalf of the elite forces and the members that make up the people whom we consider as "unconventional". Unless I missed certain words, I take it that he wasn't refering only to the 3 or 4 in question.
The question about taking a hit on my pride......Nathan, where anyone here is concerned, I am but a registered account that comes along with texts. Texts have no pride. And I am talking about how the whole lot was dragged down by the actions of a few, if you wanna clarify that too.
You mentioned something which I would like to rephrase, if I may.
"Anyone who is not from an elite unit and lost a friend does not need to be humble."
Did I get it correct?
im not toking abt your pride.."your" in that sentence was pointing at those who think that all of us here are blaming the Cdos Formation...
y so sensitive?
i dont see any commandos bashing here..maybe except for some post at the start of the thread..
yes..u just rephrase exactly how i want it..thank u very much...anh moh not so gd..bear with me ok? -
sure..u can answer anyone post..was just wondering only..Originally posted by crosshairs:Nathan, I hope that doesn't mean that it is against logic to answer on someone else's behalf? I would appreciate if someone answered on my behalf, wouldn't you?
no...i will thanx a person for answering a post..but i dun encourage that..cos the person who answer for me..aint me or know me that well..
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Your interpretation of God-like worship is indeed compelling.Originally posted by NathanG5:ic..then that will be your way interpreting it..sure aint mine..
In that case I will have to disagree with your discount of humility in the time of a friend's demise. I think that is socially irresponsible.Originally posted by NathanG5:yes..u just rephrase exactly how i want it..thank u very much...anh moh not so gd..bear with me ok?
I'm sorry I misinterpreted your bad English.Originally posted by NathanG5:im not toking abt your pride.."your" in that sentence was pointing at those who think that all of us here are blaming the Cdos Formation...
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Your interpretation of God-like worship is indeed compelling.
indeed
In that case I will have to disagree with your discount of humility in the time of a friend's demise. I think that is socially irresponsible.
n thats your own view rite?I'm sorry I misinterpreted your bad English.
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Not all the time. It is better for one to answer for oneself if there is a very critical point to bring forward which may be considered "different" in perception from the mean. Your initial question was why I answered you, it wasn't about who gives the better answer.Originally posted by NathanG5:sure..u can answer anyone post..was just wondering only..
no...i will thanx a person for answering a post..but i dun encourage that..cos the person who answer for me..aint me or know me that well..
aint it better for the person to explain or answer himself?
With regards to you not appreciating other people's intervention......consider this: when one is unable to effectively express one's views with one's limited vocabulary, he may end up appreciating that intervention. -
And that of my many socially responsible and civic minded friends. I am saddened that you do not.Originally posted by NathanG5:n thats your own view rite? -
oic...thanx for explaining..Originally posted by crosshairs:Not all the time. It is better for one to answer for oneself if there is a very critical point to bring forward which may be considered "different" in perception from the mean. Your initial question was why I answered you, it wasn't about who gives the better answer.
With regards to you not appreciating other people's intervention......consider this: when one is unable to effectively express one's views with one's limited vocabulary, he may end up appreciating that intervention.
then those who is reading the post have to bear with n try to understand..
if they misinterprete the post..then the person who post it will have to try his best to explain with his own words..more sincere rite.. -
Originally posted by NathanG5:oic...thanx for explaining..
then those who is reading the post have to bear with n try to understand..
if they misinterprete the post..then the person who post it will have to try his best to explain with his own words..more sincere rite.. -
Originally posted by HENG@:i would love to see all them elite soldiers stuck in clerk jobs. see how they like it. no playing with guns, only paperwork.
I think we still await a clarification on this. So which one should we take into account? It sounds like 2 different persons talking.Originally posted by HENG@:or do u blindly talk based on what u THINK i said? just for your info, im not for anti-elite sentiments. im against those "unestablished practices" which are the things that undermine the professionalism of the elite forces.
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nathan, i see crosshairs got nohing to say so he harp back on something insignificant. so maybe he didn't see that the 1st post was made in reply to a post before it, while the 2nd post of mine he quoted is also made in reply to a previous post? nvm. i can see u say until he nothing to say liao. "crosshair" hah. man check out that nick itself. i can see what he has in his mind all day. go get some, homey.
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Of course if crosshairs is only trying to prove the point of the inconsistency of your anti-elite sentiments stand , it will seems that it is insignificant and a very poor feeble attempt at emulating the art of "harping on and on" which you so fabulously perfected here for the past months.Originally posted by HENG@:nathan, i see crosshairs got nohing to say so he harp back on something insignificant. so maybe he didn't see that the 1st post was made in reply to a post before it, while the 2nd post of mine he quoted is also made in reply to a previous post? nvm. i can see u say until he nothing to say liao. "crosshair" hah. man check out that nick itself. i can see what he has in his mind all day. go get some, homey.
I guess from the way your posts sounds, you can't really blame those of us from the so-called "elite fraternity" to see you as being anti-elite. But I think maybe I can assure the rest and crosshairs that Heng@ is not. See this http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=73477.
It will seems that Heng@ have a collection of badges from the elite establishments that you thought he was against.
No it will seems that Heng@ is an elite soldier at heart.
Once a commando always a commando, nevermind that the badges, Navy Seals Trident and para wings he puts on while sitting in front of his computer to kill all those terrorists in Counterstike are from the army surplus store.
Main point is that he is a commando, wannabe or not, armchair or not. So how can he be having anti-elite sentiments. -
well..if others want to interprete differently from us..then let it be lor..Originally posted by HENG@:nathan, i see crosshairs got nohing to say so he harp back on something insignificant. so maybe he didn't see that the 1st post was made in reply to a post before it, while the 2nd post of mine he quoted is also made in reply to a previous post? nvm. i can see u say until he nothing to say liao. "crosshair" hah. man check out that nick itself. i can see what he has in his mind all day. go get some, homey.
well..as one of them as said..in this virtue world..its all toking cok n its all cheap..well for them n them only... -
very alert of u bro...Originally posted by Soldier I:Of course if crosshairs is only trying to prove the point of the inconsistency of your anti-elite sentiments stand , it will seems that it is insignificant and a very poor feeble attempt at emulating the art of "harping on and on" which you so fabulously perfected here for the past months.
I guess from the way your posts sounds, you can't really blame those of us from the so-called "elite fraternity" to see you as being anti-elite. But I think maybe I can assure the rest and crosshairs that Heng@ is not. See this http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=73477.
It will seems that Heng@ have a collection of badges from the elite establishments that you thought he was against.
No it will seems that Heng@ is an elite soldier at heart.
Once a commando always a commando, nevermind that the badges, Navy Seals Trident and para wings he puts on while sitting in front of his computer to kill all those terrorists in Counterstike are from the army surplus store.
Main point is that he is a commando, wannabe or not, armchair or not. So how can he be having anti-elite sentiments.
but as ive said..none of us here are blaming the elite formation..maybe there are some..so wats the big deal? can we just take it to heart n be gracious or jumping up n down screaming its unfair..
the fact that HENG@ did not murdered or kill anyone...but i know one thing for sure...he SAF ways of doing things n tats all...Originally posted by HENG@:with regards to WO Bala, I've heard from many that he is professional. Indeed, I believe he was dragged down into this mire by those unprofessional officers. In this case, it is very clear cut who are the main culprits at hand. I do pity WO Bala for being dragged into this mess as a scapegoat. -
still got so many ppl here KPKB havnt finished?
wake up lah.....talk so much BIG logic for fark?
Anyone here can change anything???
Heng@ u ask me to wake up earlier on.....when i posted something which in my opinion is just a harmless opinion...
well ok if i havnt woken up..so be it...
What about yourself??????!!!!!
talk so much jiao wei for fark?
U can post another 100,000 post on this matter...
At the end of the day, can anything be change????
can the dead be brought back alive????
dio boh?!!?!?!
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"To do this, he had to give an initial diagnosis to a medic requesting the helicopter. He told the medic that 2nd Sgt Hu was in a comatose state, but the reply came that this was 'not acceptable'.
So, Capt Sim gave the diagnosis as heatstroke, even though he suspected that 2nd Sgt Hu had drowned."
FARKING BUREAUCRACY AT ITS BEST. WAY TO GO SAF! -
so farking sad..a M.O have to lie just to get a chopper to save a person life...Originally posted by Xprobe:"To do this, he had to give an initial diagnosis to a medic requesting the helicopter. He told the medic that 2nd Sgt Hu was in a comatose state, but the reply came that this was 'not acceptable'.
So, Capt Sim gave the diagnosis as heatstroke, even though he suspected that 2nd Sgt Hu had drowned."
FARKING BUREAUCRACY AT ITS BEST. WAY TO GO SAF!When asked why he did this, he told the court: 'My concern at that time was for the casualty and my decision was that the helicopter should come quickly.' He added that a heatstroke diagnosis is usually given priority.
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"NO SAFETY officer was appointed for the prisoner-of-war training conducted on Aug 21 last year, said Lieutenant Shashi Kumar Nagapah, a commando officer who had helped in the dunking of the trainees...Mr Selva Naidu, Pandiaraj's lawyer, pointed out that Lieutenant Yap Kwong Weng, the original supervising officer, testified on Wednesday that he had assigned Lt Shashi Kumar as safety officer for the first three days.
He replied: 'I was not deployed as safety officer by anyone.'"
Ha ha ha...someone must be lying to cover his ass. Safety Officer cannot participate in the administration of the training. My guess is that someone found it a thrill and got involved, and because of that, tried to deny any awareness that he was the assigned Safety Officer.
My question to Kumar is: Are you the assigned Instructor then? If not, why did you get involved in the training at all? -
Its nearly 6pm, Air Wing needs to bookout la. Flyboy says: "I dont need this"Originally posted by NathanG5: -
From Medical Research Journal:
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Did they take this into consideration when adapting "Western" methods to our local context when developing the lesson plan? Not to mention the difference in psych bewteen SF volunteers and drafters during such high risk training. -
It is not up to you to decide its significance, it is up to eveyone here. And therefore it will be right of me to conclude that you cannot resolve this inconsistency in opinions that you have created since you did not attempt to. It doesn't matter what post it was meant to reply to. Fact is you made 2 contradictory statements.Originally posted by HENG@:nathan, i see crosshairs got nohing to say so he harp back on something insignificant. so maybe he didn't see that the 1st post was made in reply to a post before it, while the 2nd post of mine he quoted is also made in reply to a previous post? nvm. i can see u say until he nothing to say liao. "crosshair" hah. man check out that nick itself. i can see what he has in his mind all day. go get some, homey. -
excus me. no i am not an elite soldier at heart. i just like nice badges and stuff. I have a bunch of WW2 Nazi memoribila too, so u gonna start calling me an armchair Nazi? And CS? pleaseeeeeee the last I took it seriously was back in 2000. It seems maybe u're trying to infer what YOU know of me thru a few posts, instead of the real me? The only thing u have it right here is that I don't have anti-elite sentiments. Otherwise, you're wack.Originally posted by Soldier I:Of course if crosshairs is only trying to prove the point of the inconsistency of your anti-elite sentiments stand , it will seems that it is insignificant and a very poor feeble attempt at emulating the art of "harping on and on" which you so fabulously perfected here for the past months.
I guess from the way your posts sounds, you can't really blame those of us from the so-called "elite fraternity" to see you as being anti-elite. But I think maybe I can assure the rest and crosshairs that Heng@ is not. See this http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=73477.
It will seems that Heng@ have a collection of badges from the elite establishments that you thought he was against.
No it will seems that Heng@ is an elite soldier at heart.
Once a commando always a commando, nevermind that the badges, Navy Seals Trident and para wings he puts on while sitting in front of his computer to kill all those terrorists in Counterstike are from the army surplus store.
Main point is that he is a commando, wannabe or not, armchair or not. So how can he be having anti-elite sentiments.