ARMSKOTE? TELT? TALC? TELD? TELC?
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ok.. what heck language is Armskote?
before i went in the army.... the place to store arms is called arms room, arms vault or arms safe. but i never heard of armskote till i was in the army...
so i wondered...and checked a few dictionary... there is no such word as Armskote. Arms Kote.... "kote" isn't a work.
the other thing.... you place telt or talc or teld on your map....
but what exactly is it????
the "official" spelling was "unveiled" in the book "shoulder to shoulder" and a NSman described the times when he had to telt the map....
but there is no such word as "telt"
In sispec..... those warrants spelt it as TALC.... so i looked up the dict and it says talc is a mineral used for talcum powder or could be applied thinly on paper for protection. but i cannot see how TALC can be equivalent to "polyethylene".
so what the heck is "telt"? "talc"
i kinda guess if talc was a acronym like "tactical analysis liner chart"?? hahaah. -
Sshhh... you are not supposed to discuss SAFglish here...
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Here's another one... Why they call it 'Fullpack'? If it's empty, can still call fullpack?
Or shoud it be 'field pack'? -
field pack lah. not full pack.Originally posted by Cpl Ho:Here's another one... Why they call it 'Fullpack'? If it's empty, can still call fullpack? Or shoud it be 'field pack'?
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military lingos!
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Yah... But i always hear ppl say, Fall in sbo, FULLPACK, weapon... or report to camp with fullpack... mayb someone heard the word field wrongly and it gets distorted along the way... just like telt...Originally posted by Gordonator:field pack lah. not full pack. 
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Aiyah... its simply the lingo used in a particular organisation lah! Like someone making noise the other time for saying SBO should actually be called webbing. *Slaps head* as long as you can understand no problem! as for the talc.... i have NO idea why its called so..... although i can also imagine the puzzled looks on foreign OCTs who are asked to draw 2 rolls of talc frm the store! hahah
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some people say "cosine", when its actually "callsign"
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Originally posted by gonegoose:Aiyah... its simply the lingo used in a particular organisation lah! Like someone making noise the other time for saying SBO should actually be called webbing. *Slaps head* as long as you can understand no problem! as for the talc.... i have NO idea why its called so..... although i can also imagine the puzzled looks on foreign OCTs who are asked to draw 2 rolls of talc frm the store! hahah Just call it plastic sheet.I do that when people use too much "talc" on me.
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and talking and warm up and warm DOWN
when it should be called COOL DOWN... -
Knock it down..
whats that? Knock wat? -
Well to continue the thread... there's
KLICK ... as in the objective is 10 klicks away !
WO-WO (or is it BO-BO) shooter?
teree - tunna ( 3 tonner)
lan-rollver -
oh yah.. what the hell is a click???? 1 click = 1km? huh?Originally posted by specfore:Well to continue the thread... there's
KLICK ... as in the objective is 10 klicks away !
WO-WO (or is it BO-BO) shooter?
teree - tunna ( 3 tonner)
lan-rollver
I think its a WOWO shooter.. forgot how they derived the term... -
click is a term used by other countries too...Originally posted by specfore:Well to continue the thread... there's
KLICK ... as in the objective is 10 klicks away !
WO-WO (or is it BO-BO) shooter?
teree - tunna ( 3 tonner)
lan-rollver -
WO = Wash OutOriginally posted by Master -_-:oh yah.. what the hell is a click???? 1 click = 1km? huh?
I think its a WOWO shooter.. forgot how they derived the term...
WOWO became BOBO.
Click = Kilometers -
no i mean.. how come from the word kilometers.. got another word click..Originally posted by kopiosatu:WO = Wash Out
WOWO became BOBO.
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"Click" is jus a pronounciation for the word "Kilometres" in short.....its not a new term....jus like section commander aka sectcom.....S.O.P.....etc.....
haiz remind me of the good old days.....3yrs ago in a "use-to-be" air-con bunk at sembawang road....Dieppe barracks.....................................................
all the best! -
The spelling is "klick", actually (same pronunciation).
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err, topic starter ORD how long ago?
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I asked around for general agreement before posting these:
"WO" stands for "Wash Out", which is a standard reference for a zero score. Back with the more primitive, manual-labour shooting ranges of the '70s - plywood targets, butt parties, signal-line comms, hot/stuffy/polluting conditions - the butt-party officer had to relay the scores back to the command post via telejay. The results started to recite tauntingly back as "wowo" (rhymed with zero), which in turn was scorned further by instructors - or among the peng themselves - as "bobo" (better cadenced with "bozo", or clown).
"Armskote" is army lingo for "Armaments Store", & it doesn't completely refer to the armoury either. Mobilised reservists, when ordered to load up store when reporting back, could be directed to the garage "armskote" by the senior NCOs, i.e. the packed crates containing various shrinked-wrapped equipment & weapons. Also, it's not just rifles that are kept inside the armskote either. Certain weapon-system parts (not sure I should name them) are also locked up there, instead of in the less-secure CQ store or optical store.
"Talc", the correct spelling, is obviously derived from "Plastic Talc". It wasn't that popular when used as a verb during my time - eg. "to talc a map" (as opposed to "to wrap a map in (plastic) talc" - though it must be mentioned that only ops-room people spoke that lingo, compared to orderly-room or company-line personnel. I dunno if "plastic talc" is a misnomer, since it's known more as "PVC roll" in the outside world. Talc itself is a mineral that could be utilized to help make many things, including translucent paper, so maybe that's the link. -
Hey, I did my reservist in the air-con rooms in Dieppe barracks. Not that we stayed in a lot. Mostly booked / stayed out, CO was flexible, as long as you were not late for training. I was there between 1991 and 1995 , then I disrupted.Originally posted by IntegraType-R:"Click" is jus a pronounciation for the word "Kilometres" in short.....its not a new term....jus like section commander aka sectcom.....S.O.P.....etc.....
haiz remind me of the good old days.....3yrs ago in a "use-to-be" air-con bunk at sembawang road....Dieppe barracks.....................................................
all the best! -
I am still not convinced about the armskote. how does it even sound close to Armanents Store. Anyway, i have this impression that SAF will use British Army lingo for such things. But i do not hear Armskote in the brit lingo.Originally posted by Moxie:I asked around for general agreement before posting these:
"WO" stands for "Wash Out", which is a standard reference for a zero score. Back with the more primitive, manual-labour shooting ranges of the '70s - plywood targets, butt parties, signal-line comms, hot/stuffy/polluting conditions - the butt-party officer had to relay the scores back to the command post via telejay. The results started to recite tauntingly back as "wowo" (rhymed with zero), which in turn was scorned further by instructors - or among the peng themselves - as "bobo" (better cadenced with "bozo", or clown).
"Armskote" is army lingo for "Armaments Store", & it doesn't completely refer to the armoury either. Mobilised reservists, when ordered to load up store when reporting back, could be directed to the garage "armskote" by the senior NCOs, i.e. the packed crates containing various shrinked-wrapped equipment & weapons. Also, it's not just rifles that are kept inside the armskote either. Certain weapon-system parts (not sure I should name them) are also locked up there, instead of in the less-secure CQ store or optical store.
"Talc", the correct spelling, is obviously derived from "Plastic Talc". It wasn't that popular when used as a verb during my time - eg. "to talc a map" (as opposed to "to wrap a map in (plastic) talc" - though it must be mentioned that only ops-room people spoke that lingo, compared to orderly-room or company-line personnel. I dunno if "plastic talc" is a misnomer, since it's known more as "PVC roll" in the outside world. Talc itself is a mineral that could be utilized to help make many things, including translucent paper, so maybe that's the link.
Why i think saf uses brit lingo because of certain words.... eg, LEFT-ten-nant as opposed to LIEU-TAN-NENT. Then "indenting" stores compared to "procuring"... "section" to "squad". etc etc.
As for talc.... hmm it's really a mystery... maybe we should find out from other army's how they would plan their overlays... because i doubt they would use plastic overlays for planning.
moreever.... the "correct" spelling for talc is telt. -
~Shrugs~ Just the messanger here.
I think it sounds close enough if you ask me, taking into context how the inerudite peng (Chinese helicopter or orang Melayu) could probably slang anything back in the '60s or earlier. What I can verify is that the "armskote" word has been around since '68. It was part of an army song from that time, mentioned in the "Shoulder to Shoulder" commemorate book.
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=cache:FluayfxjlpMJ:www.mindef.gov.sg/ns35/pdf/life/CampLife.pdf+armskote+1968&hl=en
My guess is it was - perhaps - passed down from the local armanent or ordnance servicemen, rather than outright via the British. BTW Singapore had the SVC & SMF prior to the SAF's formation; both left legitimate legacies & traditions, rather than us always taking the cue from the colonials.
Armourers do their repair work in the armskote too, don't they? I also vaguely recall someone stating here that he was posted as an armskote man (rather than appointed as i/c). Does the SAF have such a vocation - or that for "armament storeman"? Any armanent spec care to comment ...
As for talc/telt, sorry, I'm more familiar with the former. Haven't really seen the latter spelling until you brought it up. -
yah, but the same book you mentioned... spelt "talc" as telt. haah.Originally posted by Moxie:~Shrugs~ Just the messanger here.
I think it sounds close enough if you ask me, taking into context how the inerudite peng (Chinese helicopter or orang Melayu) could probably slang anything back in the '60s or earlier. What I can verify is that the "armskote" word has been around since '68. It was part of an army song from that time, mentioned in the "Shoulder to Shoulder" commemorate book.
As for talc/telt, sorry, I'm more familiar with the former. Haven't really seen the latter spelling until you brought it up.
anyway... i think many words in SAF has transmute due to the generation of personnel that is what we call the pioneers not understanding english as we do now.
Not only english words are victims... but malay ones too. haha.
e.g. the command "KALEI SENJATA" is wrong... but most drill manuals spell it this way. its supposed to be "alei senjata". -
The term "Armskote" is a Afrikaan term if I'm not mistaken.It was adopted by the British after they colonised S.Africa. A "kote" refers to a storage place.Yes, there are people who are trained as armskotemen and there are others who are Supply Asst but are appointed as armskotemen.Armament Specs are in charge of these armskotemen, sort of like their sect. comd.Originally posted by Moxie:~Shrugs~ Just the messanger here.
I think it sounds close enough if you ask me, taking into context how the inerudite peng (Chinese helicopter or orang Melayu) could probably slang anything back in the '60s or earlier. What I can verify is that the "armskote" word has been around since '68. It was part of an army song from that time, mentioned in the "Shoulder to Shoulder" commemorate book.
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=cache:FluayfxjlpMJ:www.mindef.gov.sg/ns35/pdf/life/CampLife.pdf+armskote+1968&hl=en
My guess is it was - perhaps - passed down from the local armanent or ordnance servicemen, rather than outright via the British. BTW Singapore had the SVC & SMF prior to the SAF's formation; both left legitimate legacies & traditions, rather than us always taking the cue from the colonials.
Armourers do their repair work in the armskote too, don't they? I also vaguely recall someone stating here that he was posted as an armskote man (rather than appointed as i/c). Does the SAF have such a vocation - or that for "armament storeman"? Any armanent spec care to comment ...
As for talc/telt, sorry, I'm more familiar with the former. Haven't really seen the latter spelling until you brought it up.