Heard of Enyouth?
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Ya, heard from friend they teach alot of manipulation techniques. For example a DM will come and "wash" the newbie when newbie not producing, after that another DM will come over to "sayang" newbie saying the first DM had notice his (newbie) potential when he's (newbie) new, and is very concern about him (newbie) hence he (1st DM) said all those things, if other people he (1st DM) also wun care...Originally posted by Callandor87:Hi all. Joining this thread rather late is me, ex-member of EY.
2. What can I say? The company are full of shallow people and hypocrites, who preach that members should join with the mindset that you're bringing health to the people you sell these things to, and bring success to your downlines. But every single day they pester you with F***ing irritating one-liners like "How much do you want your car? How much do you want to earn back your capital? How much do you want this? How much do you want that? But I don't see you fighting hard enough for that leh! yada yada blah blah blah."
Bullshit.
3. EY is one orchestrated symphony of excuses and justifications. If you feel bad selling a 3000 bucks mattress to your financially distraught uncle, don't. Because hey! You're helping him get healthy! And don't worry just ask your friend to come down! But before that pls drop by the office to get more bullshitters and liars to stay and help you blind your friend. You can't do it alone man. You need all the DMs and SDMs who're experienced in the misguided company policy to help you talk. Just in case your friend is too smart and manages to retort everything, changing your mind along the way.
As for EY, forget it.
The newbie will then feel honored and have enormous respect for the 1st DM, and will listen to whatever the 1st DM says, and will go all out for sales, by hook or crook.
But the true agenda is the newbie's upline may not hit whatever target he has to hit (car, promotion, etc).... Heard most of the time the DM (1st DM) dun even know the newbie, it's all pre-arrange by the uplines.
When the newbie is old enough in the company, he'll know about these methods, and felt cheated. A DM will then come over and sayang more saying the heart is important, by doing all that more people actually get to use the magnetic mattress hence promoting their health etc etc etc. -
In my opinion, no matter where you go or what you do, there are bound to be black sheeps in the organisation. There may be dozens of crooks in EY but there may be good ones also. Its a law of nature. If there's hot, there'll be cold. If there's carnivour, there'll be herbivour. But a sad thing is normally people only look at things one sided and fail to see things from people's eyes thus passing one sided judgements. Sometimes, the more knowledgeable you are, you tend to limit your capabilities. Those who are less educated have no choice but to crave out their own career paths. But who are we to judge? I don't believe everyone in this thread is so pure and righteous that gives them the right to keep complaining about others. While you are typing negative comments about others, somewhere somehow, others are typing the same thing about you. Apparently, i'm a strong beliver in cause & effect. Respect comes if people can start giving objective view on things and explore things at all angles rather than having vulgar words all over the place and being subjective.Originally posted by sonic_16:Ya, heard from friend they teach alot of manipulation techniques. For example a DM will come and "wash" the newbie when newbie not producing, after that another DM will come over to "sayang" newbie saying the first DM had notice his (newbie) potential when he's (newbie) new, and is very concern about him (newbie) hence he (1st DM) said all those things, if other people he (1st DM) also wun care...
The newbie will then feel honored and have enormous respect for the 1st DM, and will listen to whatever the 1st DM says, and will go all out for sales, by hook or crook.
But the true agenda is the newbie's upline may not hit whatever target he has to hit (car, promotion, etc).... Heard most of the time the DM (1st DM) dun even know the newbie, it's all pre-arrange by the uplines.
When the newbie is old enough in the company, he'll know about these methods, and felt cheated. A DM will then come over and sayang more saying the heart is important, by doing all that more people actually get to use the magnetic mattress hence promoting their health etc etc etc. -
I lost a friend to this company. The moment he joined, he became this materialistic monster who wanted to drag all his frens down into the sinkhole with him.
I had to leave him after 4 years of frenship.
And i attended their function during chinese new year. i was the only indian there. felt this eerie sense of them being brainwashed. they talk the same, walk the same, seem to know one another.
AND please, if your fren asks you to go down, have an open mind, do not be blinded by wealth for money is the root of all evil.
The people already know about you from your fren, so when they talk about like minded topics. do not , DO NOT be impressed. Its all hardsell.
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Your words sound very much of the generic bullshite MLMers give...ying yang issit? FYI it's carnivore and herbivore. The fact is, in EY there are not just dozens of crooks, there are legions of them. The good ones, sadly, are the newbies most of the time before they become influenced. Simple matter of environmental pressure.Originally posted by jus-me:In my opinion, no matter where you go or what you do, there are bound to be black sheeps in the organisation. There may be dozens of crooks in EY but there may be good ones also. Its a law of nature. If there's hot, there'll be cold. If there's carnivour, there'll be herbivour. But a sad thing is normally people only look at things one sided and fail to see things from people's eyes thus passing one sided judgements. Sometimes, the more knowledgeable you are, you tend to limit your capabilities. Those who are less educated have no choice but to crave out their own career paths. But who are we to judge? I don't believe everyone in this thread is so pure and righteous that gives them the right to keep complaining about others. While you are typing negative comments about others, somewhere somehow, others are typing the same thing about you. Apparently, i'm a strong beliver in cause & effect. Respect comes if people can start giving objective view on things and explore things at all angles rather than having vulgar words all over the place and being subjective.
I would say the most important factor is whether that product works at all - if it doesn't, all that talk about helping people is actually cheating. Lab reports? The last thing we need is to cut and paste reports from other companies (typical of biomagnetic companies who copy from those in japan) instead of having a real report certified in Singapore.
If they are so rich and get ISO and all that and they seem so confident about these bedsheets, it would be simple to get from MOH a genuine report rather than relying on plain talk and generalising magnetic therapy. Even so, many people in this industry never ever bother to find out - instead of helping their family, they might be promoting malignant growths in their bodies while depleting their financial health. See this
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/magnet.html
So if these brainwashed distributors really care about their families, shouldn't they conduct independent research and find out more about a dubious therapy rather than happily believing whatever their uplines tell them? After all, this is your parents' health you are playing with, not you.
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Yeh... nowadays many youths can be easily lured/brainwashed into the pit of being Obsessed with fame and $$$, thus EY is one of them which uses such psycological tactics to bloom the business BIG, with $$Originally posted by Vanga:I lost a friend to this company. The moment he joined, he became this materialistic monster who wanted to drag all his frens down into the sinkhole with him.
And i attended their function during chinese new year. i was the only indian there. felt this eerie sense of them being brainwashed. they talk the same, walk the same, seem to know one another.
AND please, if your fren asks you to go down, have an open mind, do not be blinded by wealth for money is the root of all evil. $$ rolling in their pockets.
cos during teenage period, their thinking sometimes can be easily convinced by those good & sweet talkers (eg. EY pl).
just my piece of advice: get a decent job and you'll never go wrong
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xuete!! get a job??? You will never make it in life if you work for others!! You will always be lead and control by others!!! But do not join MLM either becos it will and never work in Singapore! The only way is to be an entrepreneur yourself, sell things that market is hot, i am talking about those like Douglas Foo, Nanz Chong Komo, Michael Lum, and you can see that more and more young people are starting their own co like software co, selling cakes, clothes etc, this shld be the way to go!!
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Fully agreed, on the breaking out on your own and not being an employee.
However depends on individual's needs and wants. Some is ok to do enough to just get by. But there are some who will want to strike out on their own. "Success" is defined differently by different people.
"Success occurs when you persist all the way, where all others had given up. It's damn bloody tough, that's why it's utmost glory that a man can give to himself." -Airgrinder.
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Hmmm... Law of Cause & Effect comes from Buddhism.
Please read this :
www.magnetictherapyfacts.org & www.therionresearch.com/learning_center_articles.html
M.O.H did not endorsed TCM initially till a few years back, but even way before that, the TCM clinics are not lack of patients.
M.O.H did not endorse OSIM, yet so many people buy.
Simmons, the bed manufacturer, sell Magnetic Negative Ion fibre bed. M.O.H also never endorse. But they are also selling in big departmental stores.
If magnetic therapy is fake, than i guess let's sue SPH first. Cause they are the one who publish that magnetic therapy is the next wave in market and have existed way before and its proven to have medical benefits.
And if magnetic therapy is fake, think you should go Singapore General Hospital to remove the magnetic band aids from their shelves first as they are selling it off the selves in their pharmacy.
Next, you can also go to Tan Tock Seng to remove the F.I.R guards from their shelves. Those are sold to Geriatric patients who have Arthritis and Rheumatism.
If Bio-Technology is fake than i guess the Goverment is wrong to invest $1.5 billion in this sector and also to build Biopolis-centres.
And lastly, Temasek Poly will be making a grave mistake in coming up with electro-magnectic devise to promote better sleeping patterns.
Please do read up on current affairs. Places where you can find all these are Channel News Asia, The Straits Times & also LianHe Zao Bao & Lianhe Wan Bao.
So who's the one that never find out. And talking about parent's health. Have you ever had the feeling of your close ones contract cancer and die within 3 months? Your own uncle lost his sight due to chemotherapy? Do you know what's going into their relatives, sons & daughter's head at that point of time? They would give and try anything in exchange for a few more months of their parents life.
Just because you dislike EY and thus find information to contest the fact of magnectic therapy. Everyone can do a search on the net and see what you can find on magnetic therapy. There are definately good & bad articles. But you neglect the good and only show the bad. This only shows that you are not basing your comments objectively but more of showing personal hatred against the Company. Than it'll be better if you just type (I HATE EY) rather than trying to come up with different theories to mislead people.
You are also not fair against the people who are reading the thread cause you are destroying their hopes of finding an alternative way to help their loved ones. If you have never send your loved ones into the A & E department before and stand there only to hear doctors say they will try and no guarantee that the medications will help than please don't tell people how they should care for their parents' health.
Originally posted by Rigante:
Your words sound very much of the generic bullshite MLMers give...ying yang issit? FYI it's carnivore and herbivore. The fact is, in EY there are not just dozens of crooks, there are legions of them. The good ones, sadly, are the newbies most of the time before they become influenced. Simple matter of environmental pressure.
I would say the most important factor is whether that product works at all - if it doesn't, all that talk about helping people is actually cheating. Lab reports? The last thing we need is to cut and paste reports from other companies (typical of biomagnetic companies who copy from those in japan) instead of having a real report certified in Singapore.
If they are so rich and get ISO and all that and they seem so confident about these bedsheets, it would be simple to get from MOH a genuine report rather than relying on plain talk and generalising magnetic therapy. Even so, many people in this industry never ever bother to find out - instead of helping their family, they might be promoting malignant growths in their bodies while depleting their financial health. See this
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/magnet.html
So if these brainwashed distributors really care about their families, shouldn't they conduct independent research and find out more about a dubious therapy rather than happily believing whatever their uplines tell them? After all, this is your parents' health you are playing with, not you. [/quote] -
Originally posted by Vanga:I lost a friend to this company. The moment he joined, he became this materialistic monster who wanted to drag all his frens down into the sinkhole (Network Marketing is not a sinkhole) with him.
I had to leave him after 4 years of frenship.
And i attended their function during chinese new year. i was the only indian there. felt this eerie sense of them being brainwashed. they talk the same, walk the same, seem to know one another. (If you are with a group for a period of time, no matter wwhat kind of group, you will too eat, walk & talk the same. In psychology, this is call cognitive behaviour. And duh, they work together, of course they know each other.)
AND please, if your fren asks you to go down, have an open mind, do not be blinded by wealth for money is the root of all evil. (Money is the root of all evil. To me, i guess it depends on the user. If money is truly the root of all evil, than all of us should stop working. Cause we are earning the "root of all evil" into our bank accounts. And if your parents ever ask you for money, tell them you can't give them cause its evil)
The people already know about you from your fren, so when they talk about like minded topics. do not , DO NOT be impressed. Its all hardsell.
Once again i mourn my fren who is still alive, but dead in my heart.( Please do not act righteous. If he's truly a friend, you'll wait for the day he repent and be there always for him even though you may not join him in his belief. The only reason why you are saying all of the above is probably you 2 are not really that "friends" after all. I'm still waiting for my friend to repent even after 1 year has past and i've never blame him for bringing me up to the company. And i took the effort to find out details and claims about his product. But too bad. Network marketing is not for everyone & its also not my cup of tea.) -
Even if the government hospitals sell any form of magnetic therapy devices, I don't think they would dispense them at outrageously high prices.
Magnetic therapy is one thing, magnetic devices are another. I don't think TTS or SGH have stocked up any magnetic mattresses? Gosh, they must be letting such wonderfully advanced technology go to waste. Nevertheless, I do hope EY gets in touch with them soon so we can have revolutionary medical miracles.
EY's magnanimity should be commended and praised also for being so mindful of the public's health and well-being, but I wonder at the same time how much cash they are lining their pockets with just as they regurgitate such moving lines of care and concern. Is customer well-being the focus or the sale the focus? One can only speculate.
Institutions like Biopolis and TP should have their own research arms if i'm not wrong. Where then, does Enyouth get their own scientific backing from?
Someone previously stated that a member of EY's Scientific Advisory Board, specifically Dr Jacque's Lazar, was proven to be a fake. That person has no affiliation to Columbia University whatsoever. So what becomes of the people that endorses the products. This is an important issue as the company's credibility and integrity is at stake here.
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Originally posted by SolidSnake:Even if the government hospitals sell any form of magnetic therapy devices, I don't think they would dispense them at outrageously high prices. (One band aid attach with a magnet in the middle is call??? To me that is magnetic therapy not magnetic device. It retails at $35-$40. Can only use once for 24 hrs only. Is it expensive? If you use it continuously for one week, it'll be $280. $280 for band aid. Expensive? When you are not well, you don't measure price but rather its effectiveness.)
Magnetic therapy is one thing, magnetic devices are another. I don't think TTS or SGH have stocked up any magnetic mattresses? Gosh, they must be letting such wonderfully advanced technology go to waste. Nevertheless, I do hope EY gets in touch with them soon so we can have revolutionary medical miracles. (There is no guarantee that they will not retail it next time. But if you look inside a hospital's pharmacy, majority of the medical stuff sold inside are replenishable. They won't sell you a thing which you can use for more than 1 year.)
EY's magnanimity should be commended and praised also for being so mindful of the public's health and well-being, but I wonder at the same time how much cash they are lining their pockets with just as they regurgitate such moving lines of care and concern. Is customer well-being the focus or the sale the focus? One can only speculate. (Think you can pose OWELL the same question. One bracelet cost $300 plus. Certification from Japan. Like what the previous person have mentioned, maybe they also cut and paste their certification. Hmmmm.. never know s'pore govt can let someone retail things so easily without proper certification and not only EY shld be commended. OWELL too. Cause they make the exact same medical claims as EY. And if bosses open a shop that don't earn money, that's call a not for profit organisation. Who is to judge how much a boss should earn? I don't think you tell your boss off for earning too much.)
Institutions like Biopolis and TP should have their own research arms if i'm not wrong. Where then, does Enyouth get their own scientific backing from? (We are debating on different grounds. Cause the previous person claims that magnetic therapy is a hoax. I was trying to prove that magnetic therapy indeed works. Not on EY's credentials.)
Someone previously stated that a member of EY's Scientific Advisory Board, specifically Dr Jacque's Lazar, was proven to be a fake. That person has no affiliation to Columbia University whatsoever. So what becomes of the people that endorses the products. This is an important issue as the company's credibility and integrity is at stake here. (Hmmm.. I don't think this doctor is endorsing the mattress. More of skincare i think, as he's one of the consultants in Cosmectic Laboratries. EY's mattress is based on the theory of magnetic therapy's healing effects and thus they got NUS to certify that the magnets they used are of high quality and also permanently charged. Their F.I.R certification is from Japan.)
Apologies if i may be wrong. Anyone care to address or confirm this? -
My spelling may be bad but I certainly did not use "vulgar words all over the place." I did not even use a single vulgar word.Originally posted by jus-me:In my opinion, no matter where you go or what you do, there are bound to be black sheeps in the organisation. There may be dozens of crooks in EY but there may be good ones also. Its a law of nature. If there's hot, there'll be cold. If there's carnivour, there'll be herbivour. But a sad thing is normally people only look at things one sided and fail to see things from people's eyes thus passing one sided judgements. Sometimes, the more knowledgeable you are, you tend to limit your capabilities. Those who are less educated have no choice but to crave out their own career paths. But who are we to judge? I don't believe everyone in this thread is so pure and righteous that gives them the right to keep complaining about others. While you are typing negative comments about others, somewhere somehow, others are typing the same thing about you. Apparently, i'm a strong beliver in cause & effect. Respect comes if people can start giving objective view on things and explore things at all angles rather than having vulgar words all over the place and being subjective.
Went through your fact-less reply. Yes fact-less reply. So you're saying there are both black and white sheeps in EY. I can agree but the white sheeps, either they had left, or are going to be black soon. The rest are all black. It's a strong statement, maybe the strongest yet that I've posted against this company.
The manipulation technique I wrote that your post replied to was taught by SDM 4* LBH to all other SDMs, DMs and senior EDs, before he pop over to nuskin. It part of the company's official technique. It is still being used now.
The bluffing people out for lunch/dinner/tea technique then getting them to listen to EY's marketing plan, product, etc is also a company official technique. If I'm not wrong, it's taught in EY Recruitment Training.
The Knee Pray Beg technique (I've never posted this before, neither have I seen this posted here before. Briefly it's about kneeing down, crying and begging the prospect to buy the mattress, be it in prospect house, or in public place, until such that the prospect has no choice but to buy as everyone is staring) is also an official technique use to close sales.
The T-UP technique (although everywhere uses it to a certain extend) most of the time is based on lies, is also officially taught by the company.
During EY De-Brief session, even if the De-Briefer is unable to convince the MP (prospect) to join, he will just play around with words which are usually not based on facts. Or if the MP asked too many tough questions the De-briefer will say "Dun ji1 dan3 li3 tiao1 gu2 tou2" meaning dun "pick bones from within an egg". I'm sure you know what that means.
So if you say every company have black sheep, I agree. But in this case seems like all in EY are black, since the above official techniques are... I wun say totally truthful and unmanipulative and purely for the good of people.
Regarding your statement "I don't believe everyone in this thread is so pure and righteous that gives them the right to keep complaining about others." So you are saying no one can complain? Because pure and righteous people only exists in a perfect world.
You also said people tend to look at things one-sided and pass comments. All right, let's look at it from your point of view, we start with something simple. If EY is really so respectable, perhaps you can enlighten why do EY need to lie to people to come down to the company? -
[/b][/quote]Originally posted by jus-me:Hmmm... Law of Cause & Effect comes from Buddhism.
Please read this :
www.magnetictherapyfacts.org & www.therionresearch.com/learning_center_articles.html
M.O.H did not endorsed TCM initially till a few years back, but even way before that, the TCM clinics are not lack of patients.
M.O.H did not endorse OSIM, yet so many people buy.
Simmons, the bed manufacturer, sell Magnetic Negative Ion fibre bed. M.O.H also never endorse. But they are also selling in big departmental stores.
If magnetic therapy is fake, than i guess let's sue SPH first. Cause they are the one who publish that magnetic therapy is the next wave in market and have existed way before and its proven to have medical benefits.
And if magnetic therapy is fake, think you should go Singapore General Hospital to remove the magnetic band aids from their shelves first as they are selling it off the selves in their pharmacy.
Next, you can also go to Tan Tock Seng to remove the F.I.R guards from their shelves. Those are sold to Geriatric patients who have Arthritis and Rheumatism.
If Bio-Technology is fake than i guess the Goverment is wrong to invest $1.5 billion in this sector and also to build Biopolis-centres.
And lastly, Temasek Poly will be making a grave mistake in coming up with electro-magnectic devise to promote better sleeping patterns.
Please do read up on current affairs. Places where you can find all these are Channel News Asia, The Straits Times & also LianHe Zao Bao & Lianhe Wan Bao.
Sonic_16: Another generalization. Typical.Rigante did not say magnetic therapy is fake. He/she says there is no proof EY’s magnetic therapy mattress works. He/she asks EY to get their own lab results rather then cut and copy general articles on magnetic therapy and put it into your sales kit. I’m sure your sales kit have the article on Geneagles hospital using magnets to aid the woman who can’t control her bladder. I’m sure your sales kit have an article about MRI. Right? For the record all the articles of magnetic therapy are a different kind of magnets from what you use. What EY is doing is like saying “oil produces energy, and we sell oil, so we produce energy for you” But in reality the are cooking oil, petrol, crude oil, etc and you’ll be in real trouble if you use petrol for cooking.
And if you really bother to read through everything in your sales kit (those Japanese, Chinese, American, etc), youÂ’ll realise non of them is about the magnets in YOUR magnetic mattress.
So who's the one that never find out. And talking about parent's health. Have you ever had the feeling of your close ones contract cancer and die within 3 months? Your own uncle lost his sight due to chemotherapy? Do you know what's going into their relatives, sons & daughter's head at that point of time? They would give and try anything in exchange for a few more months of their parents life.
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[color=blue]Sonic_16: Perhaps itÂ’s a coincident (and IÂ’m really not trying to be insensitive) but I was taught this as part of sales technique closing.
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Just because you dislike EY and thus find information to contest the fact of magnectic therapy. Everyone can do a search on the net and see what you can find on magnetic therapy. There are definately good & bad articles. But you neglect the good and only show the bad. This only shows that you are not basing your comments objectively but more of showing personal hatred against the Company. Than it'll be better if you just type (I HATE EY) rather than trying to come up with different theories to mislead people.
Sonic_16: So why is EY only showing the good and not the bad articles to people? So EY is not objective too? You said he/she come up with theories to mislead people, isn't EY using even more? Manipulations, Lies, etc etc.
You are also not fair against the people who are reading the thread cause you are destroying their hopes of finding an alternative way to help their loved ones. If you have never send your loved ones into the A & E department before and stand there only to hear doctors say they will try and no guarantee that the medications will help than please don't tell people how they should care for their parents' health.
Sonic_16: So are u suggesting that magnetic therapy can help the patient after doctors say their medications are no guarantee?
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Originally posted by Rigante:
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Your words sound very much of the generic bullshite MLMers give...ying yang issit? FYI it's carnivore and herbivore. The fact is, in EY there are not just dozens of crooks, there are legions of them. The good ones, sadly, are the newbies most of the time before they become influenced. Simple matter of environmental pressure.
I would say the most important factor is whether that product works at all - if it doesn't, all that talk about helping people is actually cheating. Lab reports? The last thing we need is to cut and paste reports from other companies (typical of biomagnetic companies who copy from those in japan) instead of having a real report certified in Singapore.
If they are so rich and get ISO and all that and they seem so confident about these bedsheets, it would be simple to get from MOH a genuine report rather than relying on plain talk and generalising magnetic therapy. Even so, many people in this industry never ever bother to find out - instead of helping their family, they might be promoting malignant growths in their bodies while depleting their financial health. See this
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/magnet.html
So if these brainwashed distributors really care about their families, shouldn't they conduct independent research and find out more about a dubious therapy rather than happily believing whatever their uplines tell them? After all, this is your parents' health you are playing with, not you. -
Originally posted by jus-me:
Is there any official report from NUS? Where is it available/publish?
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(Hmmm.. I don't think this doctor is endorsing the mattress. More of skincare i think, as he's one of the consultants in Cosmectic Laboratries. EY's mattress is based on the theory of magnetic therapy's healing effects and thus they got NUS to certify that the magnets they used are of high quality and also permanently charged. Their F.I.R certification is from Japan.)
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So EY vaguely put down Lazar and Andrew Ler as their company doctors. Who is to say no one had purposely communicated Lazar and Ler as company doctors for all their products?
If the magnets are permanently charged, then why is the warranty on a number of years? (I can't recall. I think the warranty previously was for 10 years then reduced to 5 years in 2004.) -
Sound like you are doing your own business?Originally posted by Liquidsnake:xuete!! get a job??? You will never make it in life if you work for others!! You will always be lead and control by others!!! But do not join MLM either becos it will and never work in Singapore! The only way is to be an entrepreneur yourself, sell things that market is hot, i am talking about those like Douglas Foo, Nanz Chong Komo, Michael Lum, and you can see that more and more young people are starting their own co like software co, selling cakes, clothes etc, this shld be the way to go!!
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no, it is totally different, i am not talking about sales job xuete! I am talking about doing it yourself!!! What you sell is 100% you get back but for MLM ,you sell 100%, you only get back a small portion, so that is not consider as business, you are just raking in profits for the CO only and they just pity you, give u a small portion as compensation, thats why it is called the compensation plan, isnt it??
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Originally posted by sonic_16:My spelling may be bad but I certainly did not use "vulgar words all over the place." I did not even use a single vulgar word.
Went through your fact-less reply. Yes fact-less reply. So you're saying there are both black and white sheeps in EY. I can agree but the white sheeps, either they had left, or are going to be black soon. The rest are all black. It's a strong statement, maybe the strongest yet that I've posted against this company.
The manipulation technique I wrote that your post replied to was taught by SDM 4* LBH to all other SDMs, DMs and senior EDs, before he pop over to nuskin. It part of the company's official technique. It is still being used now.
The bluffing people out for lunch/dinner/tea technique then getting them to listen to EY's marketing plan, product, etc is also a company official technique. If I'm not wrong, it's taught in EY Recruitment Training.
The Knee Pray Beg technique (I've never posted this before, neither have I seen this posted here before. Briefly it's about kneeing down, crying and begging the prospect to buy the mattress, be it in prospect house, or in public place, until such that the prospect has no choice but to buy as everyone is staring) is also an official technique use to close sales.
The T-UP technique (although everywhere uses it to a certain extend) most of the time is based on lies, is also officially taught by the company.
During EY De-Brief session, even if the De-Briefer is unable to convince the MP (prospect) to join, he will just play around with words which are usually not based on facts. Or if the MP asked too many tough questions the De-briefer will say "Dun ji1 dan3 li3 tiao1 gu2 tou2" meaning dun "pick bones from within an egg". I'm sure you know what that means.
So if you say every company have black sheep, I agree. But in this case seems like all in EY are black, since the above official techniques are... I wun say totally truthful and unmanipulative and purely for the good of people.
Regarding your statement "I don't believe everyone in this thread is so pure and righteous that gives them the right to keep complaining about others." So you are saying no one can complain? Because pure and righteous people only exists in a perfect world.
You also said people tend to look at things one-sided and pass comments. All right, let's look at it from your point of view, we start with something simple. If EY is really so respectable, perhaps you can enlighten why do EY need to lie to people to come down to the company? (Same thing as how your insurance friend will propose for meet up) -
Originally posted by sonic_16:Is there any official report from NUS? Where is it available/publish? (Pls check with EY distributors. My friend have personally made contact with the professor who endorsed the report)
So EY vaguely put down Lazar and Andrew Ler as their company doctors. Who is to say no one had purposely communicated Lazar and Ler as company doctors for all their products? (they are consultants. not doctors endorsing products.)
If the magnets are permanently charged, then why is the warranty on a number of years? (I can't recall. I think the warranty previously was for 10 years then reduced to 5 years in 2004.) (Everything depreciates. Permanently charged magnets will also depreciate over time too. Part of Physics. Warranty is still 10 yrs.)
And also to add, since you mention that LBH taught all those techniques, think you shld open another thread for NuSkin. Cause this kind of person go over will only pollute the rest. Than NuSkin will become second EY. Or rather, open a thread for LBH, discuss what kind of person he is to come up with all these cruel techniques. Should be quite a popular thread. -
Dear All,
i just wish to clarify that i'm not on standing on EY's side. I'm just replying with regards to the healing effects of magnectic therapy. I only wish to bring across what i've read up on magnetic therapy and share it with you all.
All i can say is that the operations & teachings in networking companies is very similar to the insurance & property industry. Even the people are also the same. If you talk about car salesman, they are even worse when it comes to making false claims. And they are so good that even if you go to CASE, you also have no case.
As long as its a sales oriented job, i can say its only human nature to look into their own personal interest first.
Those who have left EY, please remind yourself that you were once one of them. You did what they did too. Don't push the blame to others saying you were taught to do so, cause i believe you are old enough to differentiate between right & wrong and should join or not to join a company. Don't put your mistakes on this word call "brainwashing" or people force you. You might as well say "hypnotism" next time.(eg: you were asked to kill someone and you commit the act. you go to court and say you were brainwashed or forced by the person. guess what's the verdict? the most they change the verdict to manslaughter instead of intended murder) Blame it on your weak determination and i think before you complain about others, please go to those customers that you have closed a sale from and apologise to them. Tell them you have a weak will and you easily believe what people say, thus causing them to buy an overpriced product from you. They buy out of support and trust in you thinking you are serious but you end up quitting.
Those not from EY, should go and find out more before you make your comments rather than listen to others. Apparently, some of them get the warranty period wrong, get the SDM position wrong, don't even know about their much raved about NUS endorsement, the real healing effects of magnetic therapy (though there are pros & cons), got the wrong defination of their Scientific Advisory Board, forget to mention that F.I.R is included in the mattress and also they didn't mention that SGH is already selling small items like magnetic band aids and before they even check it out, they tried to argue that its a magnetic device not magnetic therapy.
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hmm... i too lost a fren to EY. But maybe i m nt as magnanimous as others. Of course i hpe my fren wake up in a way, but i cant be sure if i wld b ther 2 support. I rem when my fren n i use to be very close n always meet up. I din join my fren in EY but i also made sure nt to bad mouth them. I wanted to see whats going on... When my fren's customer changed their mind abt the single mattress, my fren tried desperately to sell it off. I was thinking what so difficult abt telling the company, the customer changed their mind. In the end, i bought it over. Yes, it was silly. Bear in mind, my fren had no time to meet up with me before that but when i offer my help, ta-dah, my fren turned up at my doorstep. Yah, i know very sad right...
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Rubbish X 999999. First of all, law of cause and effect DID NOT come from Buddhism - it has always been there, my 'knowledgeable smart aleck' friend. Ask any buddhists and they will enlighten you. And the statements you made are not even 'cause and effect', you are talking about opposite sides. Try to make some sense before you retort to your own interpreted nonsense.Originally posted by jus-me:Dear All,
i just wish to clarify that i'm not on standing on EY's side. I'm just replying with regards to the healing effects of magnectic therapy. I only wish to bring across what i've read up on magnetic therapy and share it with you all.
All i can say is that the operations & teachings in networking companies is very similar to the insurance & property industry. Even the people are also the same. If you talk about car salesman, they are even worse when it comes to making false claims. And they are so good that even if you go to CASE, you also have no case.
As long as its a sales oriented job, i can say its only human nature to look into their own personal interest first.
Those who have left EY, please remind yourself that you were once one of them. You did what they did too. Don't push the blame to others saying you were taught to do so, cause i believe you are old enough to differentiate between right & wrong and should join or not to join a company. Don't put your mistakes on this word call "brainwashing" or people force you. You might as well say "hypnotism" next time.(eg: you were asked to kill someone and you commit the act. you go to court and say you were brainwashed or forced by the person. guess what's the verdict? the most they change the verdict to manslaughter instead of intended murder) Blame it on your weak determination and i think before you complain about others, please go to those customers that you have closed a sale from and apologise to them. Tell them you have a weak will and you easily believe what people say, thus causing them to buy an overpriced product from you. They buy out of support and trust in you thinking you are serious but you end up quitting.
Those not from EY, should go and find out more before you make your comments rather than listen to others. Apparently, some of them get the warranty period wrong, get the SDM position wrong, don't even know about their much raved about NUS endorsement, the real healing effects of magnetic therapy (though there are pros & cons), got the wrong defination of their Scientific Advisory Board, forget to mention that F.I.R is included in the mattress and also they didn't mention that SGH is already selling small items like magnetic band aids and before they even check it out, they tried to argue that its a magnetic device not magnetic therapy.
Regards
I am not against EY, but I am against companies who sell quackeries as products. An endorsement is not a laboratory controlled certified test, and before you get us to point the finger at other notable instituitions, point it at yourself - dun come shrieking to us pointing out NUS this and that, we want to see black and white proof of your dubious products.
And sorry, you are very unconvincing as a magentic therapy supporter rather than a EY distributor, because whatever you say is biased on the side of EY. If you don't believe, dun go back and edit your words and everyone will see for themselves.
The way I see it, you are trying valiantly to maintain a neutral perspective but failing. Please, if you are positioning yourself as a logical and analytical forummer, then at least say something coherent rather than gibberish sprinkled with unconventional half-truths and inappropriate analogies.
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what about those who were from enyouth before? Can't they share their experiences with others? Not all who were not from enyouth wrong, neither are all who're from enyouth right... So stop your "ethical" lecture, leave us "whiners" to bitch about our failures and see how the company thrive... Yeah!!Originally posted by jus-me:Dear All,
i just wish to clarify that i'm not on standing on EY's side. I'm just replying with regards to the healing effects of magnectic therapy. I only wish to bring across what i've read up on magnetic therapy and share it with you all.
All i can say is that the operations & teachings in networking companies is very similar to the insurance & property industry. Even the people are also the same. If you talk about car salesman, they are even worse when it comes to making false claims. And they are so good that even if you go to CASE, you also have no case.
As long as its a sales oriented job, i can say its only human nature to look into their own personal interest first. [/quote]
So... how does magnetic therapy works, from your professional point of view??
Indeed, it's human nature to look after their own interests, but please don't generalize all humans... Not everyone will betray their own conscious for an easy way out.. maybe you will??Those who have left EY, please remind yourself that you were once one of them. You did what they did too. Don't push the blame to others saying you were taught to do so, cause i believe you are old enough to differentiate between right & wrong and should join or not to join a company. Don't put your mistakes on this word call "brainwashing" or people force you. You might as well say "hypnotism" next time.(eg: you were asked to kill someone and you commit the act. you go to court and say you were brainwashed or forced by the person. guess what's the verdict? the most they change the verdict to manslaughter instead of intended murder) Blame it on your weak determination and i think before you complain about others, please go to those customers that you have closed a sale from and apologise to them. Tell them you have a weak will and you easily believe what people say, thus causing them to buy an overpriced product from you. They buy out of support and trust in you thinking you are serious but you end up quitting.
yes yes... not everyone is as responsible as you... you have the highest morals among us whiners... Geesh... if everyone thinks just like you, no fraudsters in the world can ever be brought to justice... Perhaps you need to be shot in the foot, just for once, to be able to truly empathize with the victims. Provided you bother to... typical "elitist" remarks.. PUI!
Since it's out of concern and support, i'm sure the same supporters also wouldn't want the distributors to sink deeper into a scam... It's only wise for a person to realize his mistakes and move on. Showing gratitude to your supporters doesn't restrict one to succeed only in enyouth. Success in life does not equal to success in enyouth. There are many other paths to take..
[quote]Those not from EY, should go and find out more before you make your comments rather than listen to others. Apparently, some of them get the warranty period wrong, get the SDM position wrong, don't even know about their much raved about NUS endorsement, the real healing effects of magnetic therapy (though there are pros & cons), got the wrong defination of their Scientific Advisory Board, forget to mention that F.I.R is included in the mattress and also they didn't mention that SGH is already selling small items like magnetic band aids and before they even check it out, they tried to argue that its a magnetic device not magnetic therapy.
Regards
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Jus_me, I guess it's jus_you and no one else
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jus_me has a magnet for a brain...