Heard of Enyouth?
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But like Borat, he cannot get a chick magnet hence the name 'Jus-me'
So much for the defending champion of End Of Your Youth
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sad to hear that.Originally posted by Bacon&Eggs:hmm... i too lost a fren to EY. But maybe i m nt as magnanimous as others. Of course i hpe my fren wake up in a way, but i cant be sure if i wld b ther 2 support. I rem when my fren n i use to be very close n always meet up. I din join my fren in EY but i also made sure nt to bad mouth them. I wanted to see whats going on... When my fren's customer changed their mind abt the single mattress, my fren tried desperately to sell it off. I was thinking what so difficult abt telling the company, the customer changed their mind. In the end, i bought it over. Yes, it was silly. Bear in mind, my fren had no time to meet up with me before that but when i offer my help, ta-dah, my fren turned up at my doorstep. Yah, i know very sad right...
but erm, on the part that you buying from your friend, i suggest that if you haven't gone pass the 7days refund period set by CASE, than kindly go refund it to get back your money.
Since your friend has already become 'Slave' towards $_$ in his/her eyes, than I guess you have better try to share with your friend on the doubts that you have, but should your friend try to brainwash you via inviting you over to Enyouth to clear your doubts, than invite me along, so that at least they can 'brainwash' / in my own words- trick a person into buying their ideas.
In the past, I've being through this stage, like your friend, only looking towards money, but that was history - 2 yrs back when i was with another company. But sure enough, I did learnt my lesson, thus I'm offering help to people who need it, but don't know whom to approach.
I've got my own set of factors to look into when considering a company AS WELL AS their PRODUCT(S), so if you want to know more, just let me know via PM, I'll try to help you to the best of my limits. (this is what I can ASSURE you personally) -
its over the 7 days period... long over.... actuali i do know of the 7 days thing. which is why i din understand why when my fren told her upline, her upline ask her to try to sell it off.... n that pressurised my fren but she is still with them anyway.... anyway, she stop sms-ing me. or rather i stop replying her sms... i dun knw wat to say anymore. i shared my doubts, my thots... evrythin i feel isnt right bt i guez once their heart is fixated on a belief, the only way is 4 them 2 wake up themselves, caring frens to them would be foe to them or ppl who arent their so call inner circle
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Bacon...
If u dun mind.. can pm me... i can try to help ur fren....
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it will be different if you know how to speak their language, in the sense of monetary.Originally posted by Bacon&Eggs:its over the 7 days period... long over.... actuali i do know of the 7 days thing. which is why i din understand why when my fren told her upline, her upline ask her to try to sell it off.... n that pressurised my fren but she is still with them anyway.... anyway, she stop sms-ing me. or rather i stop replying her sms... i dun knw wat to say anymore. i shared my doubts, my thots... evrythin i feel isnt right bt i guez once their heart is fixated on a belief, the only way is 4 them 2 wake up themselves, caring frens to them would be foe to them or ppl who arent their so call inner circle
if you really want to help your friends wake up their ideas, just let me know, i'll have my ways to speak to your friends. -
huh?Originally posted by mrleech:Bacon...
If u dun mind.. can pm me... i can try to help ur fren....
I been to Enyouth (Astral Mag) before...
enyouth = astral mag?
i thought another thread under VE says that Astral Mag top agents left and bring the whole group to start VE?
since when did Astra Mag have links with Enyouth?
Enyouth, I've also being there before, as well as few (at least double digit) other mlm companies.
Could you give more information on this Link?
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yep, astral mag was enyouth...
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Not dat i dun wana help my fren... its a very difficult ting. we arent in contact anymore... even if i can help, wat m i trying 2 prove? wat wld b the end results. as u can see, i m a junior member & it was coz of this incident dat i stumbled upon this site. Mayb i cld get bk my fren?? bt things hav changed n its alreadyh in such an awkward situation that i also dun know hw to even start a conversation again with my fren. i jz hpe my fren is happy dats all.
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Some of AM top agents left to start VE. A few years later another few top agents (as stated in past EY, AM threads) brought their whole teams to nuskin.Originally posted by the_fallen:huh?
enyouth = astral mag?
i thought another thread under VE says that Astral Mag top agents left and bring the whole group to start VE?
since when did Astra Mag have links with Enyouth?
Enyouth, I've also being there before, as well as few (at least double digit) other mlm companies.
Could you give more information on this Link?
I'll like to know more about the history of these mlm companies.
AM was later re-branded as Enyouth, as it is now known as.
Those are just some of the major crisises the company went through. There are of course many smaller eposides of digging away distributors, going to companies' seminars to create trouble, etc etc.
Hope that clarifies.
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well... perhaps i am naive enough to be stumbled upon this mlm issue the 1st time.. lk frog in the well.. but i wanted to share my thoughts even tho im a newb...i read some pages regarding this mlm, enyouth etc , i admit i am just a student and dont know much bout such issues ( everything including marketting, prodcut all those )but stumbled across this 'mlm' issue through a so-called friend. i dare say, this friend is putting our friendship on the line, perhaps hes boss, sdm, dm or what teach them such tactics to pull people to come up to their building( im a victim, naively believing that he just ask me out for lunch, ended up in their office with lots of people sharing their succues story, then apply alot of peer pressure on me, and me being naive and not strong-willed, had no idea why i agree to buy their mattress! ) sorry if what im saying is very 'luan' , i just want to share my thoughts ( good and bad )
firstly, i feel that my so called friend has breached my trust, he made no mention of what i ll go through, allowing me to succumb to peer pressure and ultimately, he is going to profit because of my joining! so its like my fren is taught to forsake frenship? they mite say " oh we tink its a good opportunity to earn so we share wif u " well...wad can i say bout buyin the product? okay to be fair, ey gives u a choice wan to buy anot, however, ppl who lk me gullible, ll den listen to the od and dd stuff, and decide to buy on impulse. so its for an individual to dcide if he joins ey, but he shud reli be calm unlike me..yep im not trying to say ey is bad, but its for 1 to decide if he want to try and earn lots of $$ there but i ll discourage buying their products personally, perhaps they got lots of proof the product very good, lk sitting on tt pillow cover helps.... they mite oso say its very easy to earn, jus go n listen at d dealing, keep nodding and the dm or whoever ll help to make d deal successful, but i dare ask, how many ppl r willing to fork out tt amount to buy the mattress" end up oso asking own fren and relative to buy. Personally i feel uneasy to ask fren n relative to buy cuz its lk bluffing la...jio more ppl n pay mehs.. make use of fren?true fren? but maybe some ppl reli ve real cases to proof its good.. but for a student lk me to wan 2 buy -- im 2pid.. so its for u whose reading this post to dcide=) i strongly discourage students to wan to work in such an environment cuz he mite b easily influenced if he has no idea wad mlm/slm is and fall prey to peer pressure and smooth talkers tt talk bout success..
secondly, after going through their marketing strategy and product, things seem good right, this executive will find lots of people to intro me to, all young and 'seem' to be doing good and these people will encourage you to work hard, '' dm : come find me directly, YOU only, other people no '' , and another sdm : '' don tell family , frens '' well, why don tell?! cuz u scared kena expose u trying to profit from the newbie? ok, ppl successful ll say good, those tt failed to earn mayb blame the company or wad, such thing hor... well u won really know based on wad ppl say who good they r doing/earning but rather, personal experience by working at the company but not pin-pointing at the system, for me i ve absolutely no intention to work even tho the manager ll say, nvm u slowly pay back d money, we ll work out a plan to help u earn back in a few weeks! my 'fren' alreadi 1 mth oni earned 200 ( single - 1600 ) tts so incredible right, 'fren' stil giv excuse say he nvr do as the ppl tell him to tts y d dealings failed. sigh.... even tho they ask mi don tell ppl but i stil ask my bro cuz i felt 2pid later on tt nite and tts when he told mi bout mlm which i nvr knew bout.....
thirdly, i canot get back my money deposited, since they say what under dsas rule, money submitted canot get back ( which im not sure, can any1 help me clarify dis issue ), now another manager wan to giv mi this fir nano watch in xchange for d money i deposit and d mattress can don care le.. haix i really am angry at myself...
fourthly, i feel rather confused, since ey is under dsas , got iso cert blah blah, seems can be trusted 1 right?but still i feel cheated into this company since it wasnt my intention to join, but rather, kena pure pressured. ermm if since ey is really a good slm company, promote health and help ppl, do they ve to resort to peer pressuring to ask people and join? im a easy victim of peer pressuring myself..
tts about all, maybe i mite add more things cuz this thing happened in just a flash... i ve no time to sort out my thoughts and they alreadi keep finding dms or any1 working there to tok to u bout their story ( come out pia, fight for car, muz dare to pia since u stil young only, live a good name at a young age , dcidde to work at ey cuz reli tink its good ) and encourage u to stay on n fight, anything go n find them... its exactly wad some forumers here ve posted too...yep its all for u to dcide if u wana work or come across ey or any other companies.. ve an open mind n listen, stay calm, do not succumb to peer pressure and just say u wan to consider at home ( the person mite say , consider for wad?! reli good d). DON BUY PRODUCTs too...they mite say wad xiao4 shun4 parents but i dare say, taking money n don let them noe bout it? finally, things lk money-easily-earned is too good to be true, as proven by my ''fren''. perhaps i dowan work=no effort=tts y no result to prove but i kena cheated by this fren if i stil say i wan work i mite as wel donate d money to charity already... im stil veri depressed over this issue due to my naiveness, my so called fren tt breach my trust, angry wif myself... tho i actually wana tell him tt he mite not earn back in a short period.. i did tell him hes earning crap..but he seems to firmly believe in the marketing plan so i ve no idea how i can help him ( theres another fren too ) get out of the idea..all the best to him....if he successful in a few mths or years den good lor...if nt he jus waste tt money, effort,studies, time....
so its for u to judge la... im nt completely blaming the company but rather just sharing my own experience.. i mite sound reli noobish but tts wad really happened. -
That is incorrect. Under DSAS, anyone who bought anything have at least a 7 days cooling period. Means you can get back FULL refund within 7 days. Under CODE OF ETHICS & CONDUCTOriginally posted by brokenluv:well... perhaps i am naive enough to be stumbled upon this mlm issue the 1st tim.
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thirdly, i canot get back my money deposited, since they say what under dsas rule, money submitted canot get back ( which im not sure, can any1 help me clarify dis issue ), now another manager wan to giv mi this fir nano watch in xchange for d money i deposit and d mattress can don care le.. haix i really am angry at myself...
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http://www.dsas.org.sg/dsas/Html/afterlogin.htm
Past posts here states that the company managers will actually try ways and means to deny the refund. You'll just have to be very very insistant and do so not only to the manager, but over at their sales counter/boss office upstairs.
Threaten to write to the press, and be serious about it. From what I know they like to drag drag drag.... -
thx for replying...can i know more bout how i can get back my money? cuz its lk i signed this smart shopper thing..den i wana get back my money d manager say canot... say instead we ll giv u dis watch...n i agreed cuz i din noe bout dis dsas rule of 14 days of cooling period..
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hmm... who is that manager? If I'm not wrong the smart shopper thing is their method to get around audit/moonlighting checks.
DUn know about the watch. But I know you can definitely get back the refund. You'll just have to insist to the counter staff at level 6 (the boss office level). Usually, they'll act blur and refer you back to your friend's DM/SDM.
You'll have to insist, make alot of noise. But having read your post, have the impression you r not the making alot of noise type... Goodluck. -
insisting.. would it be good if i print out the code and enthics stuff on dsas website n show to them tt i ve my case?
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Wait long long... ...Originally posted by brokenluv:insisting.. would it be good if i print out the code and enthics stuff on dsas website n show to them tt i ve my case?
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huh y..how do i get about insisting.....why show them tt proof and enthic code thing canot? izzit cuz of the smartshopper stuff?
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you seriously believe they dunno about the cooling period thing?
If you still dun catch ball, I'm hinting that they know, but dun wanna refund you and wanna smoke you.
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icic...i get abit....insisting as in threatens or??? so later i go down wif sum1 2 insist wif me..then they ll try to smoke sth out again la!!??
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just to add on to itOriginally posted by airgrinder:you seriously believe they dunno about the cooling period thing?
If you still dun catch ball, I'm hinting that they know, but dun wanna refund you and wanna smoke you.
Perhaps other forumers have any ideas?
if you have no idea what's a cooling period
go NTUC, buy any item, take the receipt and look at the bottom.
it will say that you can refund items that you purchase within a stipulated no. of days accordingly as stated by NTUC.
But Time is not on your side. the more questions you ASK, the less DAYS you are left with to DEMAND for the 100% full refund back.
JUST BE FIRM, Straight to the point.
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okay...so 2day is gona be the third day...1st day-kena scam , 2nd day go back wan money they giv watch, 3rd day ( 2dae ) -- BE FIRM RIGHT. oh man.....hey any1 can send mi private msg or wad as to how i can argue and insist which im not good at..and oso wad i shudnt say so tt they can catch mi off guard
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Brokenluv,
Really u hv to be firm n stand by the notion that u wan the deposit bk... they will try everything to not refund u. and i mean EVERYTHING. They mite even turn ur fren against u. serious. But today is the 3rd day n if i were you, i would go early, as in 12pm or even 11am. Coz today is sat. Sat alot of their ppl there and will apply pressure. If they refused to refund, say that u will go the CASE. Trust me. It will work. Its better u go with a fren to support you. I hope to hear good news from u -
hope so..will be going down wif my bro and a fren 2day..any1 who would like to join in and argue wif me can pm me b4 12
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well.... it seems that they have already anticipated my move ( obviously ) and when she saw my bro den already noe wad i wan liao... my bros gf asked for blacknwhite wif company stamp and the guy ( another sdm ) is very quick to accept wadeva we say... somemore we go into a room, don ve those newcomers so they won noe rite? ok anyway here goes... i ll be able to get back my money in 1 or 2 weeks time in CHEQUE.. MONDAY I GO DOWN SETTLE BLACKNWHITE...hmmmm they cant on the spot... say nid time to process it...monday i ll go down wif my bro and ask for CASH...kinda pity jus now nvr shoot directly...he was lk tryin 2 quickly run away by saying ok to wad we say.. ( printed the dsas code and enthic page about the refund rule and bring there mahx so they cant try anything funny liao ) yeah so im not 100% feel safe yet but rather i noe they scared la..any1 tink they stil ll try to do anything to cheat?
btw that company oso alot prc.... while i was w8ting...saw this china guy tring to cheat hes fellow china fren oso..toking bout u can earn $$$$$$$ a mth....sumore they stil go down and eat lah and tok even more....haix wad has this society become....nice in name only...this certainly has been an enriching tho sad experience for me, i hope more youngsters out to look for jobs will be more conscious but tt takes effort and sum1 to step out and tell them bout such consparicies in the society... i certainly ll not be the last one to tio such taiji la..everyday sure ve.. next mth next yr when new teens start to look for jobs... -
Good that you got back your refund. Cheers
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Well congratulate when she REALLY has gotten it back next week
I wouldn't be 100% optimistic myself.