Heard of Enyouth?
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actually my overall experience wasnt that bad...
some things they deserve praise..
1) they dont fucking give false pay unlike ... VE
2) the way they present is like more product oriented unlike .. VE
there was once i went to ve then even ma can recruit.. ma is rank 0 can even be considered not in company.. i was rank i then i told my friend" can i recruit now? i got frens interested" his eyes instant blink blink machiam wolf waiting for sheep lidat... wan to chop us tell us can recruit
3) the car achiever... EY is sell 150000 worth of products in 9 mths ( include what down line sell).. VE is sell 120000 a month for 6 mths... see the diff?
downside
VE office much better
cant tink of others..
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Thanks for the insight, elementangel.
Well, the thing I hate about Enyouth is the complete utter lack of ethics or conscience by most of the agents. Like... tricking people down to the company, using psychological warfare, insulting your job in an attempt to shatter your morale, etc. Giving false hopes, etc...
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we have premier membership
http://www.sgforums.com/premier_membership
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can some one ban "we have money" ??
actually ve also uses the same tactics to trick people down.. btw their system is very similar, VE and EY
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
can some one ban "we have money" ??
actually ve also uses the same tactics to trick people down.. btw their system is very similar, VE and EY
I don't understand why do they teach agents to trick people down.... think their uplines can reverse their mindset?
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actualyl this is what their uplines teach them ba.. trick them down.. you are doing something for their own good... in future they will thank you.. den keep brain washing their down lines
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redstone, -> sales no good, boss pressure or boss greedy ? downline too stress so must think of the fastest way to do sales. hence, the faster way = unethical ways ?<- maybe this way is proven to be effective even it is unethical? teach downlines = more recruits = more sales more money?
i ask abt VE from a fren of mine also. unlike EY, VE doesnt pressure him to buy their product n yet he didnt bought any. he also told me he got 2k/mnth + dunno what rank liaoz. i go ask again... plus his upline only earn 4k.
VE recruitment is somewhat similar to job interview according to my fren.
anyway back to EY, i guess they are just desperate or greedy people who always see fren n relative as $_$ face.
i still remember that time i went down. after the dm talk cock finish, he ask whether i wan to join or not, i refused him,then staright after i went to smoke with my fren ,who brought me down in the EY lair, at the back alley near the toilet(great place to sneak out lol) the DM went rushing to me and try to pyscho me again. lol. i could feel his desperation somehow. he also tell my fren not to bring me out through the alley, instead , he ask him try to use the front door(and my guess - he will be guarding the fren door til i agree to join lol). well, my fren sneak me out of the hell hole anyway.
lazily,
xlazy
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
actually my overall experience wasnt that bad...
some things they deserve praise..
1) they dont fucking give false pay unlike ... VE
2) the way they present is like more product oriented unlike .. VE
there was once i went to ve then even ma can recruit.. ma is rank 0 can even be considered not in company.. i was rank i then i told my friend" can i recruit now? i got frens interested" his eyes instant blink blink machiam wolf waiting for sheep lidat... wan to chop us tell us can recruit
3) the car achiever... EY is sell 150000 worth of products in 9 mths ( include what down line sell).. VE is sell 120000 a month for 6 mths... see the diff?
downside
VE office much better
cant tink of others..
until now still havent learn. childish.1) give false pay? ve dont because i'm dont give false pay, so dont make the biased and inmature claim.
2) chop you? LOL.. you dont even have $XXXXXXXX for your friend to chop la.. please la.. you think too highly of yourself la! LOL !!
3) the information on car incentive is wrong! haiz.. i doubt your credibility in providing information. LOL!
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Hello enquires, long time no see...
No need to bother with elementalangel childish claims... I also cannot be bothered anymore... No point talking to someone who already made up their mind strongly about something(even if they no that they got know backing of proof or even LOGIC)...
But I think that elementalangel was once in VE also, then feel kena cheated... That's y know so much(some bull), but doubt make it very far... Due to this cheated feeling that's y trying to put down the co. at every angle, from products to price to etc.
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i agreed man. i can feel some sour feelings from him. i think he is trying hard to get attention over here? just like a baby keep crying just for the sake of attention and being "sayang". LOL!
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Originally posted by xlazy:
redstone, -> sales no good, boss pressure or boss greedy ? downline too stress so must think of the fastest way to do sales. hence, the faster way = unethical ways ?<- maybe this way is proven to be effective even it is unethical? teach downlines = more recruits = more sales more money?
i ask abt VE from a fren of mine also. unlike EY, VE doesnt pressure him to buy their product n yet he didnt bought any. he also told me he got 2k/mnth + dunno what rank liaoz. i go ask again... plus his upline only earn 4k.
VE recruitment is somewhat similar to job interview according to my fren.
anyway back to EY, i guess they are just desperate or greedy people who always see fren n relative as $_$ face.
i still remember that time i went down. after the dm talk cock finish, he ask whether i wan to join or not, i refused him,then staright after i went to smoke with my fren ,who brought me down in the EY lair, at the back alley near the toilet(great place to sneak out lol) the DM went rushing to me and try to pyscho me again. lol. i could feel his desperation somehow. he also tell my fren not to bring me out through the alley, instead , he ask him try to use the front door(and my guess - he will be guarding the fren door til i agree to join lol). well, my fren sneak me out of the hell hole anyway.
lazily,
xlazy
thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. Trick people down, later the victims will "thank them"? And Enyouth ppl wonder why their company have such bad reputation?
So desperate to get downlines? Tricksters...
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I have to agree with redstone... Once you lie to a person, ur credibility is lost, chances that the person wont join as they are already been lied to... No trust, so whatever u say, wont convince the person to join u...
And ppl will say that its a scam as they've been lied to...
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
I have to agree with redstone... Once you lie to a person, ur credibility is lost, chances that the person wont join as they are already been lied to... No trust, so whatever u say, wont convince the person to join u...
And ppl will say that its a scam as they've been lied to...
They always say... "one satisfied customer will tell 6 people of his experience". BUT someone who had been deliberately tricked as part of the "company tactic" would tell even more people about it. It's paradoxical. They trick people down, they can give lots of excuse for it, and wonder why people hate the company so much. Then they use psychological tactics, to insult and say that your field is useless, sure fail, etc and attempt to shatter your morale.
Same case with VE.
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This is very unethical... MOST of them do this... I myself disagree with this kind of tactics as it will only spoil the market... I believe that the uplines teach the downlines to do this... However, I am certain NOT all of them do this...
FIY, I am now in VE, and I do disagree with these unethical tactics(aware that lots of VE ppl use this tactics)...I try to discourage VE ppl to use this technique, but they say I newbie dunno anything yet. So I must climb up using ethical ways then maybe they'll follow...
Ethical methods may be harder, but its better than using underlying unethical methods...
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Originally posted by enquiries:
until now still havent learn. childish.1) give false pay? ve dont because i'm dont give false pay, so dont make the biased and inmature claim.
2) chop you? LOL.. you dont even have $XXXXXXXX for your friend to chop la.. please la.. you think too highly of yourself la! LOL !!
3) the information on car incentive is wrong! haiz.. i doubt your credibility in providing information. LOL!
1) ok i mean most, ok?
2) lol... me? ok la.. i no money... since 1 no money to be chopped and no one want to chop me... why VE ask people wif super poor family background for people to buy a mattress for themselves?
3) the 120000 a month for 6 mths is for the first generation then changed to 100000 a month for 3 mths... then now duno become what.. WHY I THINK IT IS NOW 120000 FOR 6 MTHS NOW IS THAT UR GOOD PEOPLE IN UR COMPANY TOLD ME 100000 for 3 mths plan is only for a short while...
even this way... EY ones are MUCH MUCH MUCH eaisier to get.. right?
white_soul reaper.. good luck in VE.. since u are the only ethical person i kno here in VE who does not lie or whatever or hide the fact that they are actually in ve like some others previously.. =D
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mr enquiries.. since u have so much time.. can u answer the qn dirrected to u weeks ago at the venture era tread?
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thou I am in VE, I dont sell the magnetic mattress... It's pseudoscience to me... But i Love the calcium ions...
So, elementalangel can share more on ur trip to EY? Is it true the only sell magnetic product or is there more products etc?
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nope more products.. some health suppliments as well... they have an overpriced mp4 watch selling for 480... with a magnetic strap that is... and it still requires you to use a ear piece ... very sucky.. when u can buy a handphone watch coupled with a blue tooth head set with mroe functions for less than half that price..
white soulreaper.. btw whats their carplan now for VE..
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mlm is bad
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I think it's 120,000 in 6 months... Maybe the 100,000 in 3 months for a 'promotion' to motivate ppl... Still the 1st one is easier than 100,000 in 3 months... I am not too sure, get back to u on that one wen i confirm with my upline...
Enquires, do u noe which one is it? Mind sharing with with everyone... It'll be faster...
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dangerboi, ur motives quite clear... LOL
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to EA,
i would like to ask whether did the EY guy told u tat EY is in DSAS? something to share, i made a complaint to DSAS. the person called me n told me that EY DSAS license has been suspended since last Sept. DSAS has receive alot complaints. n they r reviewing the case again whether to permanently take out EY from DSAS. n one of my fren got tricked down by the Alvin again think Oct. n Alvin told him that EY in DSAS where they r suspended. i made the case to DSAS. they told me they haf sent EY my complaint n they wan EY to let DSAS noe of the action they will take n review if it is reasonable. n for the suspension yet they still using DSAS to recruit ppl, DSAS will look into it again. so i think EY will change name again?? LOL
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Originally posted by redstone:
search on friendster, or just stroll into their head office
well, it's kind of strange for somebody to request to visit the company for your information.
moreover, if i just walk in with no introducer or anybody whom i know inside..
how and whom can i talk to for more information?
it's not like they are trained to answer such queries..
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
well, it's kind of strange for somebody to request to visit the company for your information.
moreover, if i just walk in with no introducer or anybody whom i know inside..
how and whom can i talk to for more information?
it's not like they are trained to answer such queries..
Just say something like u're interested to join EY or what. Oh surprisingly they are trained to trick people and use underhand tactics to lower peoples' morales and dillusionise ppl about MLM cult.
rukawa251187, I'm not surprised they're suspended... They trick people down, use psychological manipulation, hard persuasion, etc... And still they think they did nothing wrong?
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Originally posted by rukawa251187:
to EA,
i would like to ask whether did the EY guy told u tat EY is in DSAS? something to share, i made a complaint to DSAS. the person called me n told me that EY DSAS license has been suspended since last Sept. DSAS has receive alot complaints. n they r reviewing the case again whether to permanently take out EY from DSAS. n one of my fren got tricked down by the Alvin again think Oct. n Alvin told him that EY in DSAS where they r suspended. i made the case to DSAS. they told me they haf sent EY my complaint n they wan EY to let DSAS noe of the action they will take n review if it is reasonable. n for the suspension yet they still using DSAS to recruit ppl, DSAS will look into it again. so i think EY will change name again?? LOL
yes, they told me they are in dsas