Enyouth is just another company with complete lack of ethics. It's a disgrace to the business world.
Telling teens they can be rich? Teaching them to trick people down to seminars and use psychological manipulation? It's like tricking an ah mah's money. No conscience at all... Sigh...
Actually to say they sux -.-
aiya they won't be listed de la ... since they claim to earn few million now pass a few yr le .. y their company cant be listed or not listed ? can but car for manager can have this full load of amount of money is the company running from taxes ?
they been here in sg for 9 yr if i not wrong .. within the 9 yr y cant they be listed till now still now listed and buying car for them ... sponcer them
They've been saying it for the past dunno how many years... and they're still using their conning tactics... shameless. No integrity at all. Trick people to seminars, con people to be rich?
Hi All below is a perfect analysis of why MLM or SLM will ultimately fail and not last long.
Taken from http://zhukoliang.blog.com/1182725/
basically MLM just shift general focus on supply and demand and they create their own market to sell to their members at inflated prices knowing that their products could never be sold over the counter at such exboritant prices.
Even if u manage to climb up to DM level u are still considered a failure as u failed to understand market forces of supply and demand infact all DM were trained to do force selling.
In both cases you will fail so why join in the 1st place?
I read the blog. I can sense the writer hate towards mlm, making the whole article very biased. It does not show both sides of the coin and used strong words to stir up our emotion towards mlm (aka emotion blackmail), not a healthy way to look at things. Like it or not, there are people who grow and become more mature because of mlm, although there may be side effects too. Overall, it's not a very objective article and should not be solely taken to help you to detemine or not to do mlm.
However, the writer do bring out some good points too.
Market saturation
Mlmers will continue to recruit more people non-stop without taking into suppiles and demand. No mlm company do market analysis to find out all these.
Morality and Ethics
Mlmers may use lies to "con" people to join their business, such as how easy the job is, how much they can earn etc. But we should all know mlm dropout rate is more than 95% and less than 1% of those who joined will earn a 5 digit income as claimed by many of them.
If you really want to do big in mlm, you should expand overseas, Singapore's limited population and easy access to information may allow a small number of mlmers to survive but will not help them to really earn the type of income they dream of.
Originally posted by Peaceman85:I read the blog. I can sense the writer hate towards mlm, making the whole article very biased. It does not show both sides of the coin and used strong words to stir up our emotion towards mlm (aka emotion blackmail), not a healthy way to look at things. Like it or not, there are people who grow and become more mature because of mlm, although there may be side effects too. Overall, it's not a very objective article and should not be solely taken to help you to detemine or not to do mlm.
However, the writer do bring out some good points too.
Market saturation
Mlmers will continue to recruit more people non-stop without taking into suppiles and demand. No mlm company do market analysis to find out all these.
Morality and Ethics
Mlmers may use lies to "con" people to join their business, such as how easy the job is, how much they can earn etc. But we should all know mlm dropout rate is more than 95% and less than 1% of those who joined will earn a 5 digit income as claimed by many of them.
If you really want to do big in mlm, you should expand overseas, Singapore's limited population and easy access to information may allow a small number of mlmers to survive but will not help them to really earn the type of income they dream of.
u got ask permission anot? later he sue until u bankrubt
i seriously dont think there are two sides of the coins in mlm.. i think that mlm is like lottery , only the few would eventually win.. most would lose
I only copy the titles, as for the rest, I use my own words to the best as I can from my understanding of the blog.
I don't think mlm is like lottery. In lottery, everyone has a equal chances of winning, there is no need to think, do research or work hard. But in mlm, doing the right things can increase your chance of staying in the industry.
It's just gambling. Most just gamble without thinking and bet on what came to their mind without the necessary homework done. But there are some who did their maths, ask around for information and calculate their chances of winning before putting down any money.
And those who win in lottery win by luck while those who win in mlm put in their hard work to achieve that
Maybe I just don't like the words used by the writer in his blog. A bit too strong and biased.
Every thing does have good and bad but i dislike the tactics that they use to trick you down for their marketing plan, well if it is really good then need to trick.
Secondly don't you think that MLM products are overpriced and majority of the ppl that buy are the members in some perspective it is some how like paramid but just using a product to cover up.
This is an example of how MLM works and how they generate enormous profits.
Eg. I am a Boss selling health products if i were to sell over the counter i would be competing with over the counter products and definately i cannot charge too high if not nobody will take or buy to advertise also will increase my operating costs.
This is where MLM comes in i price my products quite high knowing its quite hard to be sold over the counter so i will recruit distributors to help me sell my health products in return giving them comission, then also inform them that if u make certain level of sales you can also recruit members to help you sell also, tempting them that they can drive big cars if they keep on recruiting and expanding their own network.
To sell such products who will the distributors target, their own family members cos which stranger would be your potential customer to buy at such a high price where there is cheaper alternatives? When u exhaust your own personal market you just recruit your friends and the cycle goes on.
Is it based on product or relationship selling even i as a ex MLM member my sales where based on relationship sales and not product sales, and so are my downline.
In short it is not a product that can stand on its own.
Can you explain what are really the good sides of Enyouth.
They are also competing with other mlm companies. If they charge their prices too high, people will buy from other companies instead. They may even lose their people to other companies. Look at the market now, so many health and wellness products mlm companies, selling products that almost have the same effect.
I heard this from a manager in Enyouth:
The reason why relationships are strained when they join mlm is because they use relationship to sell products. Customers buy products from them not because the products is good but because the seller is the customer's friend or someone who is close. These people will use phrase like
"I am your ... if you don't support me, who will"
"come on lah, so long friend already, buy one loh"
"I am your ... lah, you still don't believe me?"
These mlmers will not go much into the products but instead spending more time to tap into the "potential" of their friendship.
The most important thing to remember if you do not want to strain relationship is that when the customer buy the product, make sure the reason he do it is because the product is good and it's worthed the money and not because of the relationship.
Keith, the way you are selling is wrong, I think you lose many friends because of that, am I right? And you teach your downlines the wrong things and they continue to do it the wrong way
Good sides of enyouth?
Sorry, I don't really like enyouth a lot, so I cannot comment on this point, maybe what the enyouth manager said is one
I did not sell in that way when you are in MLM for a long period you will gradually use relationship to sell that is not doubt abt that.
I cannot believe that so many have so many bad things to say about EnYouth Singapore. Today is that company still existing? With their same faithful long list of employees? C’mon people there is no perfect organization. I think just because some of the best EnYouth’s employees have yet to voice their support for the company doesn’t mean it’s not a good company to work with.
This does not just extend to the employees but to the extension of their family, the children whom give money to their folks, the employees who are married with children.. all of these people benefit and live with the salaries that EnYouth as a company is providing and for over 9 years!
this is actually a real bullsh*t.. retail sales company imposes the same pressure targets and training, insurance agents also work around the up line down line system, before you could be a property agent or insurance agent you would have to take some test that require's payment as well.
I think just because some people can't cut it, they sit back and complain and blame the system as well as the company.
some people have achieve success and happiness in EnYouth and I said bravo to them not for the material success, but the courage to stick to what the belive in and not allow detractors to stray their mission.
if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Originally posted by dirtysexymoney:I cannot believe that so many have so many bad things to say about EnYouth Singapore. Today is that company still existing? With their same faithful long list of employees? C’mon people there is no perfect organization. I think just because some of the best EnYouth’s employees have yet to voice their support for the company doesn’t mean it’s not a good company to work with.
This does not just extend to the employees but to the extension of their family, the children whom give money to their folks, the employees who are married with children.. all of these people benefit and live with the salaries that EnYouth as a company is providing and for over 9 years!
Salary? Oh my, EY actually gives people a SALARY? Aint it purely by commission, MLM company what.
Enyouth teaches agents how to trick people down, by not telling them what they're going to do, just say "seminar" and stuff. Enyouth teaches agents on sneaky recruitment tactics like telling ppl their future is hopeless, etc.
Employees? They're employed? Since when? i thought Enyouth always say "start own biz" by joining them? The new Astral Mag, the infamous MLM. A leopard never changes its spots. Operations, tactics still the same. Disgrace to the industry. Why change name from AM to Enyouth huh?
Originally posted by dirtysexymoney:this is actually a real bullsh*t.. retail sales company imposes the same pressure targets and training, insurance agents also work around the up line down line system, before you could be a property agent or insurance agent you would have to take some test that require's payment as well.
I think just because some people can't cut it, they sit back and complain and blame the system as well as the company.
some people have achieve success and happiness in EnYouth and I said bravo to them not for the material success, but the courage to stick to what the belive in and not allow detractors to stray their mission.
if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I say your reply is bullsh*t. I worked in retail sales before, and I've never ever seen a company so unethical like Enyouth. I learnt sales tactics before, u want customer to buy something, say something to set them thinking. But EY uses pressurising. This itself is illegal, and unethical. Some people have zero ethics and conscience.
I have nothing to comment on the payments, etc, but the lack of ethics really makes me pissed off.
Originally posted by dirtysexymoney:I cannot believe that so many have so many bad things to say about EnYouth Singapore. Today is that company still existing? With their same faithful long list of employees? C’mon people there is no perfect organization. I think just because some of the best EnYouth’s employees have yet to voice their support for the company doesn’t mean it’s not a good company to work with.
This does not just extend to the employees but to the extension of their family, the children whom give money to their folks, the employees who are married with children.. all of these people benefit and live with the salaries that EnYouth as a company is providing and for over 9 years!
Dear Non Beliver,
1. You’re clearly ignorant and unclear of the facts that EnYouth does pay salaries to their employees. You may be disgruntled and sour at their commission rate but I’ve heard many people who couldn’t hack it made the same comments. This has dulled your argument point severely.
2. you’ve worked in retail before? I’ve rose from the very front line - promoting each year till corporate regional office covering the asian pacific. I would be a clearer authority of what constitutes ‘suitable’ training/selling techniques or not.
3. And to the clever last quote of Hitler having followers, does that mean they are good? Of course not. Now the world and germans do not think it’s good. At this I find such comparisons rather weak and irrelevant argument as history has shown us many other “misunderstood” geniuses. Before Columbus people thought that the world was flat, and that he was crazy, so on and so forth.
4. I believe you can quote many more Hitler type examples as I could with the opposite direction. This is futile. Clever , but futile. We are talking about EnYouth as a company, I gladly speak about the subject matter directly and without bias.
As they say in chess, “your move. Dear sir”
Originally posted by dirtysexymoney:Dear Non Beliver,
1. You’re clearly ignorant and unclear of the facts that EnYouth does pay salaries to their employees. You may be disgruntled and sour at their commission rate but I’ve heard many people who couldn’t hack it made the same comments. This has dulled your argument point severely.
2. you’ve worked in retail before? I’ve rose from the very front line - promoting each year till corporate regional office covering the asian pacific. I would be a clearer authority of what constitutes ‘suitable’ training/selling techniques or not.
3. And to the clever last quote of Hitler having followers, does that mean they are good? Of course not. Now the world and germans do not think it’s good. At this I find such comparisons rather weak and irrelevant argument as history has shown us many other “misunderstood” geniuses. Before Columbus people thought that the world was flat, and that he was crazy, so on and so forth.
4. I believe you can quote many more Hitler type examples as I could with the opposite direction. This is futile. Clever , but futile. We are talking about EnYouth as a company, I gladly speak about the subject matter directly and without bias.
As they say in chess, “your move. Dear sir”
Dear Enyouth agent.
1) Sorry for the misunderstanding. Are agents being paid or is it purely by commission?
2) Yes I had worked in "very front line" retail before, more than once, at different fields of retail selling different products. I had previously taken a formal retail course. I compared what I learnt in school and from the various companies I've worked with with the tactics of Enyouth. I believe the school provides a more professional and ethical education of retail tactics. Tell me, being an employee of a regional office:
Is it suitable, ethical for agents NOT to tell potential customers/recruits what the company is doing until the last minute?
Many if not most agents use another excuse to get people to go down to their office/seminars (without knowing prior it is a seminar/office visit). I believe I am not the only one being tricked down before. Tell me as a regional office, is it suitable, ethical for agents to tell potential recruits that their (the recruits') current field of work is hopeless and have no future? This would amount to using psychological warfare, by demoralising the person.
Haha.. I'm in no way an EnYouth Agent,
I'm merely an advocate of free speech and observing an unnerveving trend of discontent that a few selected like yourselves are being so unhappy at a Company. Fact of the matter they're not even the Only Company of such direct selling nature in town with unsatisfied hearsay.
I went to Law school and a keen major of anthropology. That's why I'm subjecting myself into the heat of this frying oil to get some good debates going.
There are only two things I can conclude, one is one shouldn't dissed a product if you haven't tried it. The other conclusion I could make out is that You HAVE tried the product and the company and you weren't pleased at all.
Now it's one thing to sit on the side and bitch about it. It's another to thing that despite some people's successes with their strategies - I'd rather not be considered 'sour grapes' if I couldn't hack it.
Just honest conversation.
I won't say anything I don't have experience in. I've been tricked down to seminar once, and I know what tactics they use.
Originally posted by dirtysexymoney:Dear Non Beliver,
2. you’ve worked in retail before? I’ve rose from the very front line - promoting each year till corporate regional office covering the asian pacific. I would be a clearer authority of what constitutes ‘suitable’ training/selling techniques or not.
You said this. So are you or are you not in EY?
I have gotten 2 magnetic mattress from them one queen and one single size. My aunt and paents slept on it till date still cannot feel any effect. And i spent 3.5k++ on this crap so do u think that it is over priced and i brought this under pressured my by upline to be promoted to the next level.
Everyone one is free to join Enyouth but i just share my previous experience abt this company and my personal advise to everyone reading this thread not to join this company.
Did they teach you how to get ppl to go down to seminars and to the office?
this topic is long, i believe all saying from supporters and non supporters of mlm is rite in their own way. no doubt pple in mlm is doing wrongly but its undeniable tat mlm is one of the way to earn a good amount of money with the correct effort and attitude to do it. i have read books from authors not doing mlm but do support the mlm market.the system of mlm in some companies are really feasible and good but the pple who works with the system must be equally good to bring out the wonders. look at taiwan, usa. they are doing well with all sorts of businesses including mlm. why sg is not? well in order not to accuse or pointing of fingers, we should think it this way. to really understand if mlm is good or bad, u must really be in the system as a neutral , do the system and see if its really good or bad. i aint a supporter but i did not do in any mlm thus i cant deduce the good or bad and leave this topic as an interesting topic for alll to share and not pushing for mlm or flaming them