Heard of Enyouth?
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heh Alex, I apologise if I offended you. it was just my own opinion that health products are the way to go.. no intention to offend u or anyone here in this forum jdude..
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Wat can U learn from a man even he could made but all those tusted him,work hard for him can also leave him???
Yes is tough once leave amh or enyouth,but it is tougher for them to made tis decision,do U think having to restart is a simple decision??? They know but they are strong people, unlike U present people you wont be able to understand how they feel when making tis decision,...so sad for them,and yet U present people are happy. Not a lot of people can see far, they can only enjoy wat is given to them now,so simple is like handling baby hahaha
Interesting people U are
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just saw someone quoted this when i looked again at this page, so i went back to the first page and checked it out, and saw sumthing which stands out like sore thumbOriginally posted by dranoel:The products are certified by NUS report to be true. The system accquired ISO 9001: 2000. The company is protected by DSAS, Direct Selling Association of Singapore (awarded by government). How is this scam?
DSAS dont protect their members. There is no licensing authority which awards license to 'legal mlm' company in that sense. DSAS merely accepts members who follow their regulations and refund policy.
And in anyway, DSAS is linked to the gahmen? Not so. It has only a small secretariat and the committee made up of the DS companies representatives.
As for ISO 9001.:2000, forget abt it. Any tom dick or harry can also get ISO, as long as they can fool the auditors. Been doing this so many times in the Army. -
They are leaving because they have no more to earn, so they gotta move on to somewhere else to carrying on sucking. Why are you still living in your own world.... nvm, you will learn in time to come.Originally posted by R.L.C.B:Wat can U learn from a man even he could made but all those tusted him,work hard for him can also leave him???
Yes is tough once leave amh or enyouth,but it is tougher for them to made tis decision,do U think having to restart is a simple decision??? They know but they are strong people, unlike U present people you wont be able to understand how they feel when making tis decision,...so sad for them,and yet U present people are happy. Not a lot of people can see far, they can only enjoy wat is given to them now,so simple is like handling baby hahaha
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Not ture. In network marketing, you tent to come across people always wanted to be first in any new born company, and they thought by doing so will make them money. Yes, they did make some money, but not long terms. Remembers, network marketing is to suppose give you passive income.Originally posted by leddy:They are leaving because they have no more to earn, so they gotta move on to somewhere else to carrying on sucking. Why are you still living in your own world.... nvm, you will learn in time to come.
I recommend you to stick with someone who had been with the company for age, even he is not the first to join. That what also recommend what network marketing expert like John Bremner, Daren Falter, Sue Seward, etc.
I can list many names here, and these names are not just name to me, all are my friends which I keep contact with. -
Just sharing my personal experience in that matter. Had a friend who asked to have lunch with him. Throughout the lunch, I asked him what company he works for. He said it's nearby but asked me to go and have a look later. I said alright and asked a few times what the company does. He kept on saying "oh u'll know when u reach there" I asked what products, and got the same reply. Midway thru the lunch, a friend of his popped in and starting telling about his personal experience and how his friends who supposedly are doomed to be poor (This was how he put it), became rich after working for this company. I asked again what the company does, and came the standard reply.
So out of curiousity and friendship, I went up to the company, and well, it's quite obvious what they do the moment u step in. My friend's friend, let's call him B, starting bringing me to the pictures of the so called successful people and try to psycho me to join. Ya psycho is the word, the pressure was quite strong. This was what I said and got replied
"I dun want to waste your time as I really had no intention to join"
"It's ok we have plenty of time"
"I dun want to waste your space in the meeting room. Let others do it"
"It's ok we have plenty of space"
"How come u keep avoiding my question when I asked u what the company does. u can just tell me direct sales and save everyone's time"
Reply : "A lot of pple out there have a misconception of direct sales. Anyway don't you want to get rich? I feel you have the calibre to do so" etc etc I didn't remember the exact words but it went something like that.
I was quite pissed off by then and simply replied "There have to be something wrong in the first place for pple to have misconceptions."
What I personally feel is that if you feel a product does not live up to the expectations (well it boils down to the integrity of the person), u shouldn't sabo people around you to buy it. U may say that it's 100% reliable, but deep down in your heart, if you know something is wrong and even so, you sabo your friends to buy it, it's not ethical. Sorry abt the long message, as it's my first post. But what is said above is only my personal experience. I feel that if a "salesman" keep dodging your questions, something is wrong definitely. -
I understand how you feel. Even though you did not join them, you felt cheated by ur friend for betraying your trust and wasting your time.Originally posted by unleashed:Just sharing my personal experience in that matter. Had a friend who asked to have lunch with him. Throughout the lunch, I asked him what company he works for. He said it's nearby but asked me to go and have a look later. I said alright and asked a few times what the company does. He kept on saying "oh u'll know when u reach there" I asked what products, and got the same reply. Midway thru the lunch, a friend of his popped in and starting telling about his personal experience and how his friends who supposedly are doomed to be poor (This was how he put it), became rich after working for this company. I asked again what the company does, and came the standard reply.
So out of curiousity and friendship, I went up to the company, and well, it's quite obvious what they do the moment u step in. My friend's friend, let's call him B, starting bringing me to the pictures of the so called successful people and try to psycho me to join. Ya psycho is the word, the pressure was quite strong. This was what I said and got replied
"I dun want to waste your time as I really had no intention to join"
"It's ok we have plenty of time"
"I dun want to waste your space in the meeting room. Let others do it"
"It's ok we have plenty of space"
"How come u keep avoiding my question when I asked u what the company does. u can just tell me direct sales and save everyone's time"
Reply : "A lot of pple out there have a misconception of direct sales. Anyway don't you want to get rich? I feel you have the calibre to do so" etc etc I didn't remember the exact words but it went something like that.
I was quite pissed off by then and simply replied "There have to be something wrong in the first place for pple to have misconceptions."
What I personally feel is that if you feel a product does not live up to the expectations (well it boils down to the integrity of the person), u shouldn't sabo people around you to buy it. U may say that it's 100% reliable, but deep down in your heart, if you know something is wrong and even so, you sabo your friends to buy it, it's not ethical. Sorry abt the long message, as it's my first post. But what is said above is only my personal experience. I feel that if a "salesman" keep dodging your questions, something is wrong definitely.
I have a reason to believe, the so called coffeeshop set up by enyouth is a ploy for the recruiters to invite their friends there for a meal and then get them to go up their office which is just across the road. I was also cheated by my friend to go there. He said it was opened by his friend and he wants to go there patronise and give him support. When I entered the coffeeshop, it's so bloody small and hardly sell anything, except Morris Philips products (Marlboro), drinks and some F**KED up mixed rice. Totally wasted my money. Spent around $4 plus there for the drinks and lousy food.
My friend was dressed fashionally neat, I was surprised and asked him where did he go b4 meeting me, he said he was having meetings with his managers, I was like huh? but aren't you serving NS? And he said it was a part time job. So I didn't probe further but I know it's illegal to have part time jobs when u are serving NS Full time. I know coz my other NS friend involved in MLM got charged.
He went on to tell me how some of his managers earn 10k a month and drives a BMW at the age of 25 and how some of them are millionaires b4 age of 30. Anyway when I asked him what crap he was dealing in, he refused to tell me and said he will let me know in time to come.... when I go up to his office. At that pt of time I realised it must be MLM since every small navie young kid with no business/finance/investment knowledge are involved in MLM.
I did follow my friend to his office to see if they could manage to brainwash me. However they did not, the details are pretty much as how most mlm recruit ppl. Show you pictures of well dressed executives taking photos in front of their beamers, I was like which idiot would do that. these guys must have never driven a beamer in their lives that they have to preserve this moment forever coz it's the only chance they will ever get. haha!
One thing im impressed with mLM is that they are somehow with good with psychology, which is why so many ppl are involved and die die die die believe in their companies. -
Ya, i agree ...but i can only say that those are the black sheeps of the industry, which hurt those few and real companies that are not out to cheat.Originally posted by leddy:are pretty much as how most mlm recruit ppl. Show you pictures of well dressed executives taking photos in front of their beamers, I was like which idiot would do that. these guys must have never driven a beamer in their lives that they have to preserve this moment forever coz it's the only chance they will ever get. haha! -
Oh leddy, so this is the ploy they always use. I'm saddened that there was more than 1 "victim" by this kind of lunch with a friend tactic. In any case, for those who don't know, the location is near clarke quay. A small road leads to the cafe. I personally feel any kind of insincerity is already cheating.
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They are located around carpenter street. I wasted 2 hrs listening to the guy tok cock. but quite interesting if u have no idea how mlm works. it's good to be positive but sometimes we have to take on a pessimistic view and probe further when things seem too good to be true. Everything has it's pros and cons. You gotta see if you can handle the cons, which for me I can't handle the cons of mlms which is why I'm not supportive of it.
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i really dunno what to say coz i am "invited" to the company by the same way....
because it is an secondary school friend of mine (lets call him L) who ask me out for dinner.... i was like.... ok.... should be can lar since we never meet up for such a long time.... then i ask him where lor.... and he say clark query...... i am puzzled at that time.... of all places.... why clark query??? then he say got some talk there and he is going there later then ask me to go also lar....
u know... i tot that is a IT talk or something coz one of my friend have been to there for an IT talk and i tot that is it.... so i say anything lor since i got nothing to do......
since he say that the talk is not going to last for more than 1 hour and it start at 7.... so..... i bring a friend also think we can might as well go chiong later.... BAD IDEA!!!
haiz.... so i meet him at clark query at 6.... with my friend.... and he is late... i should say damn late coz he arrive at 6.30!!! sian lor.... then go one coffee shop and eat then intro us to his friend(upline)..... then after dinner..... bring us to his company and walk walk.... intro us this and that.... show us pic of the car owners.... ISO cert and the bed and such...... ok lor.... was psycho into it as first since.... it look interesting to me..... and i myself is a marketing student and this whole thing look interesting to me at first lor.... then go for the talk at 8+ not 7.... get abit move by the speaker..... then by the time it end.... 11+ liao.... haiz.... we are suppose to meet our friend to chiong later one lor..... and then end up cancel because of this.....and then quarrel with them.... haiz....
then we went home and i started thinking about this lor.... well.... i decided to go for it lor.... since i know that somehow.... if i am a good salesman.... i should be able to earn some extra income lar..... and since i been a salesman before.... it should be easy right?? but i am really dead wrong..... pay the $12 for the starter pack with my friend (partly because of me..... sorry friend.... get u involved) which i clearly notice that there is a 14 days refund thing there .... then they started asking us to do market listing.... and started telling us story about a billion dollar guy who die but nv leave any money for his 2 son but instead give them contact list.... then tell us how important is the contact list..... then they even ask us to go "borrow" our parants phone book to copy the number of our relative down..... i know at that point something is wrong lor.....
it is very immortal for me to do such things.... then after the whole market listing thing.... ask us go for another talk on how to get rich faster.....
ladies and gentleman.... the way is..... get one bed urself and get ur close relative to buy one from u....... then..... start recuiting and repeat the whole thing.... that is the point where i snap.....
go home lie on the bed whole day and finally decide to quit the damn thing.....
call my friend and found out that he dun feel right about this also lor.... ok fine.... quit together.... tell L that we wanted to quit lor.... then he ask us to do down and tell the SDM ourself.... i am like for fuck?? then he go on saying like be responible and stuff like that.... ok lor... go down go down lar.... the day we go down..... we wanted to get back the starter pack refund money de.... then a DM come psycho us to stay by asking us what we play to do in the future then shoot us when we say what we wan to do lar..... say what do business need big captial.... work with us no need something like that lar.....
then the SDM come psycho us.... even lent us 2 book to read home.... forget the name.... but think it cost like $1 per book ar?? then ask us go home think...
since our decision is final, we sms L to say that we decide to quit and ask about the refund.... he say he will check.... then a few days later.... ask us to return the book that SDM lent us wo.... since we dun really wan to go down.... we wanted to pass to him instead but he say NO!! he say we should return the book to her personally.... nvm lor.... then ask him again on the refund no reply.... nvm.... bombard his phone.... then he reply saying that ask the SDM.... he dunno..... ok lor
then we go sms the SDM lor..... she say cannot refund wo.... then give us crap answer lor.... so.... my friend told her that since cannot refund might as well get the starter pack right?? she say of course.... tell her we tml go collect, she say starter pack not here yet.... ask her when is it here.... no reply even after we bombard her....
cannot really believe what ppl do for $24 in total man..... -
Is Enyouth really Astral Mag??
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yup
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I'm sorry that you wasted all your time and effort, plus that $24. I'm sure it's a good lesson cum experience. If I were you, I would top up a couple more dollars and go for the buffet at merchant court which is famous for it's D24 durain paste, absolutely delicious!
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i got to warn my friend then....din know EY is AM..shit she brainwashed for 4 mths liao...
dun like AM, wasted one year inside as an ED - lost more than what i earned lol
well if you all want can brief you all on the inside story at that time
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so wad happen. doggy?
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Well i joined AM when it was in eunos, though i know that previously it was based in tanjong pagar. at that time in eunos, the SDM structure i recall b4 i left was something like this:
raymond lim: boss of AM, tall big guy, always decked in branded stuff
ng kim leng: right hand man, big sized too, very fierce and aggressive, loves to talk and drag at seminars and speeches. but very good in sales i heard
lim boon hong: also big sized guy (
), wears specs and crafty fellow. loves bragging abt his car, cunning with his words. has a conflict with kim leng.
kevin tan: tall dark guy. also walks around like bh with a lot of 'hong' (air)
alex teo: ex-convict made good in AM. frequent tee-up object too in seminars
kelvin kong: short man who handles his group very strictly
claudia: female SDM who wears LV and talks a lot. drove a yellow slk.
max mok: highly positive slightly plump fellow who can talk a lot on stage, operates rather independently
alan chia: blur looking guy who follows bh
ryan soon: plump guy who wears a smiley face all the time, follows bh closely
lee boon keat: low profile NTU student who had great influence on the intake of new distributors (poly, uni). featured in the newspapers, frequent t-up subject
keith tan: low profile too, he is usually a main role in events
eugene tan: fast in coming up to SDM, looks 30+ but he was only 21 then, very low profile
well these are the main characters i knew back then...anyone got any more can add in. i think AM now only left max and keith...if you ex-guys like me can confim with the above, then i will go on with my story -
Thanks for sharing, I believe more ppl need to know the truth and the details
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how is it possible to lose more than u earn? can explain? thanksOriginally posted by hellodoggy:i got to warn my friend then....din know EY is AM..shit she brainwashed for 4 mths liao...
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I need to share, that if you people think that this company is not working in the right way, and did not keep it promise, please, I would appreciate anyone file a complain with CASE then follow by Commercial Affair. Commercial Affair is located near to Somerset MRT. If you people don't feel like head down there, pass me the proof and I'll help to do the job. No point talking and get disappointed here, right? :-)
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ysl i think u are the action type of person, and I also believe we appreciate that u rather act than talk and complain here.
I doubt anyone here is in the business to bring down any mlm companies, we are just here to complain, whine, share, and discuss our experience.
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most people start off as a DD - meaning u need to invest $1500 before u can start earning 10% comm. If u were to look at the amount from DD to ED, it is pathetic. Not to mention that some invest more than a lousy single. The amount is not worth it for a matress, so in a biz point of view shld consider it your capital. Most people dun reach their break even point.Originally posted by pqr:how is it possible to lose more than u earn? can explain? thanks -
I see. Thanks for sharing...in this case, it is very unlikely to earn more than you invested then.Originally posted by hellodoggy:most people start off as a DD - meaning u need to invest $1500 before u can start earning 10% comm. If u were to look at the amount from DD to ED, it is pathetic. Not to mention that some invest more than a lousy single. The amount is not worth it for a matress, so in a biz point of view shld consider it your capital. Most people dun reach their break even point.
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to climb up the ladder........
there is a way to climb up fast through.... when u get to DD, start recuiting and u will earn the "point" also which make u climb faster -
leddy, is really no point to just complain here and there, as this will only worsen the Network marketing Industry, and believe you will agree to this as well, right.Originally posted by leddy:ysl i think u are the action type of person, and I also believe we appreciate that u rather act than talk and complain here.
I doubt anyone here is in the business to bring down any mlm companies, we are just here to complain, whine, share, and discuss our experience.
Once again I appreciate what u are trying to do. =)
From what I see - recent post, this company is doing what NOP practice, not much different.