Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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ANY WAY,,, VE WONT TELL US WHERE THEY FKING GET THEIR THINGS, BRAND ETC... IF THEY DARE TO SAY they would be eradicated from society and our minds
i seriously suspect huzane89 of being a member of VE... unwilling to accept the fact that he had been conned.. i know you might feel offended by this.. face the fact.. THE TRUTH IS NEVER NICE
btw for your info.. VE does not give you the car... NEITHER DO THEY PAY FOR THE DOWNPAYMENT>> THEY EXPECT U TO PAY THE DOWN PAYMENT YOURSELF AND THEN GIVE U A SUM OF MONEY EVERY MONTH FOR THE CAR... every thing is not yours... you would not even get to drive a fully paid car... talking about being proud about it.... WOW I AM SO PROUD ABOUT DRIVING A SLK 200 WHICH IS NOT EVEN FULLY PAID.... PUI LOSER -
You guys just don't understand the quality of the magnetic mattresses.
You see, there's actually no real evidence that magnet therapy works (although Alex Chiu claims that his magnetic Immortality Rings allow you to live forever).
So most magnetic mattresses have actually no health benefits at all.
This problem was recognized so they had to make a magnetic mattress unlike any other. But how would they do this? There was only one answer.
Magneto.
In the 3 X-Men movies, Magneto showed his awesome power over magnetism. Only this power could be used to make the magnets that would be used in the mattresses.
Only after much negotiation did Magneto agree to help make a mattress for the good of all man and mutantkind.
This help did not come cheap though. Magneto has a whole Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to finance and manage. A profit sharing agreement was made with Magneto that resulted in a win-win for both Magneto, the customer and the mattress manufacturer.
True, the mattresses cost 3 times what competing mattresses cost, but it's worth it! -
LOL nice one there =D so much for their loser overpriced products... they fucking know they cant sell it in a shop out side... yet they want people to sell it to their own family members... haix...
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But the people r bad lol...... got many witness hereOriginally posted by huzane89:at the same time u cant even say that their product is bad
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hmm their products are up to standard... HOWEVER .. NOT BETTER THAN THE REST SOLD... their price is like WTF!!!!!
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all of them?Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:But the people r bad lol...... got many witness here
FYI i am not a member of VE. But I have been to their ppt by a friend which i did not join.
To elementalangel. Seems that you really have loads of anger against VE.
Frankly speaking, MLM is not for me. My view to of VE n mlm is neutral.
One thing, abt the car not being paid in full therefore VE Car achievers are losers, i dun get it. who buy a car in full payment in singapore? So ppl who dun pay in full are losers? Doesnt make sense does it? From wat i know, the downpayment of the car, the co. gif around $10,000 to pay for it. That's wat i know...
abt the product price, like i say, same brand meh? -
you should join them, fight all the way to car achiever then post again.
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Originally posted by Rigante:you should join them, fight all the way to car achiever then post again.
I dun think your view is neutral, I think it is because you have no experience at all.
i agreed.
i think all the people who talking so negative about VE are not neutral too, simply too emotional and biased comments.
if he had to be an achiever to post again, i think those who comment negatively should also show some proof to back up what they claimed before they post again.
btw, i seriously doubt there will be any neutral point of view here because those who are trying to offer neutral point of view will be seen as VE agent.
i think they are too many narrow-minded people here to actually open their heart and mind to look at another perspective.
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alright. neutral point of view
-> brand. they demean other brands with their NON-PROVEN WORKING items. an example would be diamond water, they say diamond water only filters the waters, and theirs can do this and that without any proof.
-> why show off a car which is not fully paid for.. and not in your means to foot it? VE is super smart in a way that they use a car to tie down they employees.
-> they insult other brands to make themselves outshine others? wtf? an example is SUN SHINE EMPIRE
i have heard of everything my self.. this is a neutral view... thirdly. they scam people to their office... can we sue them for wasting our time? if so lets cup money for a lawyer and then sue them together..
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btw for the branding problem
YOU THINK VE CAN AFFORD THEIR OWN RND TEAM?? IF SO GIVE US PROOF... THIS IS A PIONEERING COMPANY... THEY CANT EVEN HAVE A PROPPER OFFICE WHATS RND?
FURTHER MORE.. if there is no rnd team. how can they make their own products?
they would usually buy it in mass from other mlms ... and then sell it to you... which is usually the price in the web. no point looking at brand. all of them HAVE ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.
people keep trying to say brand brand brand... they are the VE PEOPLE IN DISGUISE OF NORMAL PEOPLE HERE. why look at the brand... u buy fish balls from the market... got see brand 1? all brand price diff? eg... dodo fish balls 10cents each... then "VE GETABLE" another mlm buy from dodo and sells it at 10 dolars each.. saying it can make ur dick stronger.. more sexual stamina.. works like viagra... and can help u live 1 yr longer for each fish ball you eat.... would any sane people believe? this is just an example.. -
I agree with enquires. No point saying soo much oso to those who already make their decisions abt things one eg. VE . :s
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Where they get their money for the car incentive?
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For those who is interested in seeing their webby, or wanna know about this stupid company.
http://www.venture-eragroup.com/sg/home.html
They just made that webby, got all the informations that you need there.
I just get angry seeing their stupid pictures with their stupid smiles, and smirks. Trying to con everyone.
I can't forgive them for destroying my life. I just can't.
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if they are really so gd, why would they lie to people by posing jobs ads in newspapers?
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guys... seriously... i know ALOT OF PEOPLE IN VE who earn 3k+, 4k+ ....
HOWEVER ITS ONLY IN THEIR 1ST MONTH!!!!!!
for subsequent months... they earn a couple of hundreds for spending their entire day in the office the entire month!!!!!!! dumb fks
THEY CAN ONLY SELL TO THEIR RELATIVES OR FRIENDS THEIR ITEMS.. AND ONLY IN THEIR 1ST MONTH!!!!
HOW THE PEOPLE IN VE "CON" YOU..
Starting they would say.. you can just come for like 2 hrs a day and 2 days a week or so.. then earn 10k a month..
AFTER YOU BUY ONE ITEM YOUR SELF AND JOIN THEM.. THEY SAY.. IN ORDER TO BE SUCESSFUL YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD!!! SCAM YOUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES!!! and then you end up going there for 16 hrs a day,... and have NO LIFE!! NO FRIENDS! NO RELATIVES!!! NO ONE!!!! LOLLOL to the LOSERS WHO TIO SCAMMED THEM!!!!
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
guys who have been "scammed" please come forward to share your experiences... -
Ya their website. Nothing much there....
If u realised, what the website state is alot lesser than those agents claim
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oklorr... i caome foward and share my exprience..
I remember entering the trap form The New Paper classifieds... The ad so intresting '$300 in 1 week' i read it and without hesitation i go call. Haiyo at Eunos horr?? NWM lorr -i close 1 eye- since im gonna earn $300 in less than 7 days.
So we met and all this, 1st 2nd day ok.. I don't like 3rd day.
"Your phone sure have many contacts right, ok i want u to organise them"
OOOOooo... y must they need my contacts for? My relatives mostly are lower than Middle income.. Then the calling start and everyone got their sweet excuse which make me bored. The next day onwards......................... i did not come!! haha..
But i can say that i am impressed with their product, i wondered y most of u hate the way they sell.. U go create ur own company lorr and sell cheap2 10cent fishball rather than $10 at VE GETABLE -example from one of the reply -.. Then after opening ur company, drive a car Better than Maserati Gransport lorr!! think u guys so rich is it? -VE boss car if he have not change-.... Everyone has their tactic to survive and earn. U can't expect everyone to follow Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Richard Branson-my favourite- tactics of making money right. If many were to follow Bill Gates there will be thousands of computer maker today and hundreds of os to choose from. Same applies to the others.
Therefore everyone has to make a living it is weather they got their audiance and result or not. Singapore is also increasing need of medical facilities as ageing population, quality and standard of life are increasing and they also contribute to Singapore economic.
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Haha VE is so sly, asking for contacts. Seems they are very desperate.
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some VE member sent me a friendster message telling me:
Well my friend is a manager in a local franchise business firm VE Group and shes sourcing for manpower to assist in various positions available. The job scopes include ushering of clients around company showcases, presentations, distribution of samples, sales etc.
Its located at Eunos. The payout is $50 for 3-4 hours.
Therell be a 1day training before work starts. If ure keen do me leave me ur name and mobile. Ill contact u asap =)they honestly make it sound incredibly attractive! But i wonder if it's true. haven't really been down yet.
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Haha, they're also famous for doing surveys on the streets on job seeking and then call you up later telling you to go down for an interview too.
I see some of my VE friends doing it around town, lol
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Originally posted by MyNameisNas:
But i can say that i am impressed with their product, i wondered y most of u hate the way they sell.. U go create ur own company lorr and sell cheap2 10cent fishball rather than $10 at VE GETABLE -example from one of the reply -.. Then after opening ur company, drive a car Better than Maserati Gransport lorr!! think u guys so rich is it? -VE boss car if he have not change-.... Everyone has their tactic to survive and earn. U can't expect everyone to follow Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Richard Branson-my favourite- tactics of making money right. If many were to follow Bill Gates there will be thousands of computer maker today and hundreds of os to choose from. Same applies to the others.
Therefore everyone has to make a living it is weather they got their audiance and result or not. Singapore is also increasing need of medical facilities as ageing population, quality and standard of life are increasing and they also contribute to Singapore economic.
Just out of curiosity, what impressed you about their products?
And I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "everyone has their tactic to survive and earn" and "everyone has to make a living it is weather they got their audience and result or not". Are you saying that ethics don't matter as long as you get the results you want? The end justifies the means?
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He did not say that ethnics dont matter, dont put words into his mouth. i think you are twisting the whole story.
if you are questioning about ethnics, i think you should question on individual ethnics rather than on the company or industry level because there are many distributors running their network marketing business with sincerity and ethncis. you cannot be using one person or few to comment on the whole company or industry, it does not justify.
secondly, when he is refering on the tactics, i think he is talking more on sales and marketing approach. we must understand that there are professional in sales and marketing, there are newbies too. their approachs are different and if we just bite on some newbies poor sales approach and condemn the whole company or industry, then i think thats very inmature.
i also experienced poor sales approach, not just network marketing, but also in shopping centre etc. however, that doesnt stop me from buying or until the extend of pulling the whole company or the industry down because of that 1 person.
of course, there are also very people who are very narrow minded with strong critics and inmature behaviour. Thats their own personalities and i have no comments on them.
lastly, i think any kind of people can post in internet, so do i kids and young teen who dont know much, but they think they know alot. Empty vase make the most noise.. right?
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Originally posted by enquiries:
He did not say that ethnics dont matter, dont put words into his mouth. i think you are twisting the whole story.
I did not understand what he was saying, which is why I asked him to clarify. The impression I got from the two lines that I quoted was that the end justifies the means. I don't see how it was putting words in his mouth. I was quoting. Those were his words not mine.
if you are questioning about ethnics, i think you should question on individual ethnics rather than on the company or industry level because there are many distributors running their network marketing business with sincerity and ethncis. you cannot be using one person or few to comment on the whole company or industry, it does not justify.
I never said that individual ethics reflects on the company or industry. For example,a dishonest used car salesman does not make the used car industry unethical. However, there was a time when it was true that most used car salesman were dishonest. This is because the industry was structured in a way where dishonesty was rewarded. Used car salesmen were rewarded for making the sale by any means possible. New salesmen were taught the"tricks of the trade" of how to con unsuspecting buyers.
So I am not saying that I feel MLMs are bad because of the actions of a few bad apples. What I am saying is that MLM concept as practiced by most companies is a fundamentally flawed business model. Because the model is fundamentally flawed, only dishonest people can succeed in (success defined as what was promised when the person was introduced to the MLM) the company. Honest people, once they find out the truth about what they are involved in, tend to leave. Dishonest people, and people who are self-delusional, tend to stay.
Sure, there is perhaps a mythical MLM company somewhere that conducts business in an ethical manner. However, I believe that because MLM is a flawed model, that company will fail unless at some point, it leaves it's MLM roots behind.
secondly, when he is refering on the tactics, i think he is talking more on sales and marketing approach. we must understand that there are professional in sales and marketing, there are newbies too. their approachs are different and if we just bite on some newbies poor sales approach and condemn the whole company or industry, then i think thats very inmature.
I understood "tactics" as the sales and marketing approach as well. I think it is well documented that we are not talking about some newbies taking an unethical approach here. We are talking about the whole organisation intentionally deceiving new prospects. I also have personal, first-hand knowledge because I have attended many MLM talks.
i also experienced poor sales approach, not just network marketing, but also in shopping centre etc. however, that doesnt stop me from buying or until the extend of pulling the whole company or the industry down because of that 1 person.
I've already addressed the issue that the actions of one person does not reflect on the company or industry.
However, I will say that if a company finds that its employee is intentionally misleading people, the employee will likely get fired. Does this happen in MLMs?
of course, there are also very people who are very narrow minded with strong critics and inmature behaviour. Thats their own personalities and i have no comments on them.
One should have an open mind. But never so open that your brains fall out.
lastly, i think any kind of people can post in internet, so do i kids and young teen who dont know much, but they think they know alot. Empty vase make the most noise.. right?
The internet is a great equalizer because anyone can post their opinions - even people who don't know much. However, ideas and opinions stand and fall on how well they are argued and the evidence presented.
Just because someone is able to elucidate their ideas and opinions does not make the person an "empty vessel".
In other words, an empty vessel can potentially make a lot of noise, but it is also possible that there are a couple of marbles in there clanking around.
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Eh VE dun create or manufacture their stuff, they are just distributors.
But I really hate them for trying to recruit young people as young as O level grad, who cant even decide which course to go for, and here we have people trying to distort their future. And I really detest how u play with my feelings about earning big money early so that I can let my father retire early so that he can enjoy life....
U think it is nice hearing that?
But thank alot, I will appreciate my father even more now
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They are just distributors trying to earn some big bucks.....