Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:
Eh VE dun create or manufacture their stuff, they are just distributors.
But I really hate them for trying to recruit young people as young as O level grad, who cant even decide which course to go for, and here we have people trying to distort their future. And I really detest how u play with my feelings about earning big money early so that I can let my father retire early so that he can enjoy life....
U think it is nice hearing that?
But thank alot, I will appreciate my father even more now
Typically MLM. Using emotional manipulation, hard persuasion etc... I've seen some poor EY girl trying very desperately to shatter my emotion but ended up being shoot upside down by me. Later I've heard this is actually a tactic taught, yes TAUGHT by the company.
That's why they recruit O levelers, cos they are at the crossroads of their lives, and are presumed to need money, have lots of friends, etc.
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Why not look at the bright side too?
No pain no gain, a very good experience that'll wake up anybody who's only thinking about all the wrong ideas
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Ya i did have a very good experience and lesson learnt
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Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:
Ya i did have a very good experience and lesson learnt
LOL HE WAS TRYING TO BE SARCASTIC!!! WTF?!?!?!? haahahah AsGi4Lum u are a VE SPY!!!!
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Lol what u mean by spy????
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I don't get it either. :p
aiki_kiddo said to look on the bright side if you got cheated by VE. You will learn hard lessons that will free you of your delusions.
AsGi4Lum agreed and said, yes, he did learn those hard lessons. In that sense, it was a "good experience".
So what's the problem?
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Last time I notice people get emotional when their family members and friends got cheated
After some time, I realised one thing and I told them this, that sometimes they need to learn lessons the hard way
So it can be a good thing
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aiki_kiddo said "Why not look at the bright side too?to me what i saw No pain no gain, a very good experience that'll wake up anybody who's only thinking about all the wrong ideas"
then AsGi4Lum said "Ya i did have a very good experience and lesson learnt"
to me waht aiki_kiddo said was sarcastic and AsGi4Lum was getting the wrong idea and thought that aiki_kiddo was true that VE could teach you a good lesson... Thus as a member of VE... he posted something extra here...Sorry that i misunderstood you =(
while i just read AsGi4Lum's earlier posts i realised that he also dont really like VE as they played with his feelings...oh well...Guys i have a suggestion..i KNOW WHERE VE GET THEIR AIR PURIFYERS AND MADNETIC MATTRESSES... WHY NOT WE BUY IN BULK AND SELL IT AT A MUCH CHEAPER PRICE TOGETHER? ABOUT 1/3 THE PRICE OF WHAT THEY ARE SELLING
KILL THEIR BUSINESS!!!!!!
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from what i read, i dont think anybody's feeling is being cheated or being played. i dont see any link between letting our parents retire early and feelings being cheated, unless the person dont intend to let his parents retired in the first place or simply low EQ.
i realise some people like to portray themselves as victims so as to attract lots of attentions, maybe they will feel good about it? i really dont know what they are thinking. =)
regarding the comments on buying bulk sales to kill ve business, i think that is the biggest joke of the day. i think this person definitely has no knowledge or understanding how business operate.
after reading the posts, i realise that some people here are only in their teens who think they know alot but really, they have no knowledge or experience in the working society. when some naive and ignorant people claimed ve people to be naive, i'm laughing. i wondering who is really naive?
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It seems that most MLMs pitch that you would be able to "retire early" with a "6 figure income" and "passive income". So what are the odds of success and doing so ethically without underhand tactics, emotional manipulation, hard selling or trickery?
The root of all these is ultimately greed.
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Originally posted by enquiries:
from what i read, i dont think anybody's feeling is being cheated or being played. i dont see any link between letting our parents retire early and feelings being cheated, unless the person dont intend to let his parents retired in the first place or simply low EQ.
i realise some people like to portray themselves as victims so as to attract lots of attentions, maybe they will feel good about it? i really dont know what they are thinking. =)
regarding the comments on buying bulk sales to kill ve business, i think that is the biggest joke of the day. i think this person definitely has no knowledge or understanding how business operate.
after reading the posts, i realise that some people here are only in their teens who think they know alot but really, they have no knowledge or experience in the working society. when some naive and ignorant people claimed ve people to be naive, i'm laughing. i wondering who is really naive?
Er... people feel they were cheated because they were lied to. Unless of course, you are saying that VE people do not lie or behave in an unethical manner when recruiting new members.
The dispicable part is that because people want their parents to be able to retire early; because people want to take care of their loved ones; they become emotionally vulnerable to these schemes.
I do agree that doing bulk sales to kill the business doesn't make sense. That's because people don't buy the products for the sake of getting the product. People buy the product because they receive the hard sell, and are pressured by their friends and loved ones.
I think people are actually trying to be polite if they say that VE people are naive. That means they are well meaning but deluded. The alternative is to say they are unethical criminals who are well aware of what they are doing and have no qualms about harming others for their own personal gain.
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Originally posted by redstone:
It seems that most MLMs pitch that you would be able to "retire early" with a "6 figure income" and "passive income". So what are the odds of success and doing so ethically without underhand tactics, emotional manipulation, hard selling or trickery?
The root of all these is ultimately greed.
I would ask, what are the odds of success, even with underhanded tactics, emotional manipulation, hard selling and trickery.
A vast majority of MLM participants do ALL this, and still do not succeed. Until one day, they wake up and look back, and ask themselves how they could ever have gotten involved in the scheme. But they are still burdened with the financial loss, and more importantly, broken relationships some of which can never be repaired.
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guys guys imagine this scenario...
You are selling the products of VE at 1/3 of their price...
Then advertise for it.. ( eg : putting advertistments in EVERYONE's LETTER BOX )
STATING THAT YOUR PRODUCT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS VE'sThen one day a "presentor" goes to the house of a relative. He presents and then tries to sell.
THE RELATIVE REMEMBERS SEEING THAT ADVERTISTMENT IN HIS LETTER BOX THEN TAKES IT OUT. THE PRESENTOR LAN LAN XIAO XIAO TEH LAN PAH. -
Let me ask you guys something. imagine buying something from your relative at 3x the price when you know you can EAISILY GET IT for much cheaper. the main reason why people from VE STILL GETS TO SELL IT is coz THEY HAVE BEEN USING THE FACT THAT people have no cheaper and better alternatives HERE IN SINGAPORE BECAUSE ALL OF THEM are sold by other MLMS......
OH well... make that choice...
if you know you could get a queen size magnetic pad at 800$ and another one of equal quality at 3000$... do the math... i dont think relatives can go so far as to make some one fork out 2k+ more for nothing...
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do you guys really think people buy the products only coz of their r/s with their relatives? Its only coz they think that the product is useful + the R/S with their relative as assurance then they dare to buy. Do you guys really think R/S is so impt in a relative that you would fork out 2k+ more for an item? i certainly dont think so. To me i think the relatives part is just for assurance =D and to a certain extent persuation for the relative to buy the item.
actually i have read enquiries posts in this forum and saw that he has always been supportive in VE in every way =D i am not saying that he is in VE but it is pretty obvious that he is the only one who is defending for VE.. LOL talking about VE when no one who is defending it WOULD EVEN ADMIT that they are from there.. LOL... hahhahahaha
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Ok I understand the spy part lol. Maybe because I didnt add the " on the "good experience" and "lesson learnt"
But actually there are some things that is really a good lesson. So of their quotes are meaningful :
"Some succeed, some didnt, so what? (It doesnt matter to you)"
To enquiries :
Some neutral and negative arguement:
Neutral
VE is not excalty bad, but there are many black sheeps in there who are causing the negatively among us and I have only seen a few good souls (or using the ethical method) in VE, so I cant claim all VE agent is totally bad...
For example, there is this high rank guy, botak with the name of Mr D, he is a very good speaker and I must admit his skills are very good, and of course the approach he use is different from a normal "job offer to assist manager" approach....
Negative
If u are a VE agent, why not just take some time to sit down at the telephone area and heard what those agent calling other is saying.... "job offer, pay of 10 dollars per hour (when there is no basic pay), come a few hours a day, assistant manager position for grab"
Imagine that person is calling one of yr friend, how would you feel? Will you feel that somehow yr friend is being deceive?
And the link between cheating feeling and retiring early.
"Your father is working right? How old is he, do you think it is tough for him to work"
Start to imagine about my father, about the sleepless nights he is having, about even having to work at home after coming back from office. I answer yes
"So do you want him to retire early?"
Obviously is yes
"So you should start to establish your future now.............." (Obviously lighting up "the way is to VE")
As for the business plan elementalangel is proposing, there is some obstacles....
1. Have to import the products from overseas, for example taiwan if you are taking about the calcium stuff (They claim is taiwan, so for now I believe it is from taiwan)
2. VE claims that there have a sole distributorship in SEA (they claim, so for now I believe again)
3. Need guts and capital to buy the product (Not saying that you have no guts but more on referring to the risk involve...
And anyway are u joking or serious lol?
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
guys guys imagine this scenario...
You are selling the products of VE at 1/3 of their price...
Then advertise for it.. ( eg : putting advertistments in EVERYONE's LETTER BOX )
STATING THAT YOUR PRODUCT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS VE'sThen one day a "presentor" goes to the house of a relative. He presents and then tries to sell.
THE RELATIVE REMEMBERS SEEING THAT ADVERTISTMENT IN HIS LETTER BOX THEN TAKES IT OUT. THE PRESENTOR LAN LAN XIAO XIAO TEH LAN PAH.I guess we have different perspectives on this.
Personally, I've never read any of the flyers that get stuffed in my mailbox. They all get dumped in the trash right away.
If people were concerned about price and considered it a priority, it's trivial for them to do their own research and find out that they can get mattresses much more cheaply. However, because the salesman is a relative/friend that the buyer trusts, he or she is less likely to do the research.
Anyway, I couldn't sell magnetic mattresses. I think magnetic therapy is pseudoscience and as far as I'm aware, there is no evidence that magnetic therapy has any effect at all. :p
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To the VE claims about sole distribution... _!_ FAKE!!
i emailed eco quest (air purifyer company) and several other magnetic companies and another water purifyer company, they said that they could be able to sell it to me at a wholesale price for 100 pieces each and the air purifyers at 1/5 of the price that VE is selling bundled up with lots of freebies.BTW I suspect VE's water purifyers are a hoax with fake statements. The ONLY water purifyers in the world with exactly the same effects with what they claimed is diamond water which had won MANY awards. VE's water system has TOTALLY NO AWARDS FOR WHAT I KNOW and they did not even UPLOAD the water purifyer in their website..
i am serious btw, free advertistments from the VE agents and then all we need to do is to put flyers into people's mailbox and money would come to us fast =D.
for the guts and capital part. take deposit and order from states the same day and ship to sg via air =D
the pills have TOTALLY NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE from what VE claimed they can do, however i could find similar pills from the states
and for all your info VE's water is may ACTUALLY be HARD WATER which is BAD for health =D.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water
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Originally posted by Phaze:
I guess we have different perspectives on this.
Personally, I've never read any of the flyers that get stuffed in my mailbox. They all get dumped in the trash right away.
If people were concerned about price and considered it a priority, it's trivial for them to do their own research and find out that they can get mattresses much more cheaply. However, because the salesman is a relative/friend that the buyer trusts, he or she is less likely to do the research.
Anyway, I couldn't sell magnetic mattresses. I think magnetic therapy is pseudoscience and as far as I'm aware, there is no evidence that magnetic therapy has any effect at all. :p
oh well it would actually make a difference. since they trust their relatives, their relatives would "present" the product to them and they would believe everything whole heartedly. then they would actually remember another companies product and shows it to the person. Until the presenter finds out that they are actually the same products and freaks out after slandering the product like they always do =p
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was introduced to VE recently(Not 1st time introduced to MLM co.). I haf not make any decisions yet so far, so b4hand, juz check out about their co. 1st b4 making any decisions.
It seems that this thread have loads of negative opinions of VE. especially with how they do recruitment. FYI, I didnt get the call of job opportunity thingy, my friend intro me to VE.
What I obeserve here is that many r upset over most VE agents method of recruitment. Which is fine coz u guys felt that ur were being deceived. Which i think is reasonable.
The funny thing is elementalangel. I think ur way of trying to put flyers into mailbox thingy is total bull. Let me see u do it. Sure is funny.
Good luck on doing that, coz on business even franchising stand point, its a way to go down. VE products are good but not fabulous, that's y it's not easy to penetrate the market easily. so what if the price is cheaper?About their sole distributorship, i think it only applies to the ionic calcium, which is the product NOT the water... I have seen the cert. It's genuine, do u have proof that it's a FAKE? I strongly doubt that u called other co. to ask about the prices.
It is diff for me to take on elementalangel's side is because, U R TOO BIASED, which makes ur opinions not credible... I read the whole thread and I see many anti-VE. but elementalangel jsut hates VE to the extent of doing such research though i find it not to be of any relevance. The agent explained to me that they r selling the ionic calcium that is added to water, so the hard water research is....?
FYI, redstone i do agree that magnetic therapy is pseudo science too.
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sry double posting
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
was introduced to VE recently(Not 1st time introduced to MLM co.). I haf not make any decisions yet so far, so b4hand, juz check out about their co. 1st b4 making any decisions.
It seems that this thread have loads of negative opinions of VE. especially with how they do recruitment. FYI, I didnt get the call of job opportunity thingy, my friend intro me to VE.
What I obeserve here is that many r upset over most VE agents method of recruitment. Which is fine coz u guys felt that ur were being deceived. Which i think is reasonable.
The funny thing is elementalangel. I think ur way of trying to put flyers into mailbox thingy is total bull. Let me see u do it. Sure is funny.
Good luck on doing that, coz on business even
franchising stand point, its a way to go down. VE products are good
but not fabulous, that's y it's not easy to penetrate the market
easily. so what if the price is cheaper?About their sole distributorship, i think it only applies to the ionic calcium, which is the product NOT the water... I have seen the cert. It's genuine, do u have proof that it's a FAKE? I strongly doubt that u called other co. to ask about the prices.
It is diff for me to take on elementalangel's side is because, U R TOO BIASED, which makes ur opinions not credible... I read the whole thread and I see many anti-VE. but elementalangel jsut hates VE to the extent of doing such research though i find it not to be of any relevance. The agent explained to me that they r selling the ionic calcium that is added to water, so the hard water research is....?
FYI, redstone i do agree that magnetic therapy is pseudo science too.
alright. i checked on the specs of the VE's items on their sites and also the brands and realised that VE is actually selling for MANY other MLMs
then i emailed the companies and realised that they ship EVERYWHERE in the world. those MLM companies have also been black listed for up to ten years in their own countries for over pricing their non-proven working items which are the magnetic items. The rest just lose to their competitors in specs and die off gradually thus not becoming so popular
and it is actually the agents who gave the misleading point that they are the sole distributer of every product they sell and call themselves UNIQUE
the CAL stuff part. i did not say anything about that because i could not find anything about that besides the fact that there are many other web sites which sells similar pills which are either black listed or totally obselete
the selling of items part was actually supposed to help me find and identify VE spies in this forum who would actually react alot against the idea =D because their livelihood is at risk. YET AGAIN
those at the bottom are from the website. i do not like companies which sells things bad for human health at such an expensive price . this alone is enough for us to condone the company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water#Health_considerations
The World Health Organization says, "There does not appear to be any convincing evidence that water hardness causes adverse health effects in humans."[6]
Some studies have shown a weak inverse relationship between water hardness and cardiovascular disease in men, up to a level of 170 mg calcium carbonate per litre of water. The World Health Organization has reviewed the evidence and concluded the data were inadequate to allow for a recommendation for a level of hardness.[6]
In a review by František Kožíšek, M.D., Ph.D. National Institute of Public Health, Czech Republic there is a good overview of the topic, and unlike the WHO, sets some recommendations for the maximum and minimum levels of calcium (40-80 mg/L) and magnesium (20-30 mg/L) in drinking water, and a total hardness expressed as the sum of the calcium and magnesium concentrations of 2-4 mmol/L.[7]
Other studies have shown weak correlations between cardiovascular health and water hardness.[8][9][10]
Very soft water can corrode the metal pipes in which it is carried and as a result the water may contain elevated levels of cadmium, copper, lead and zinc [6].
what below is from venture era's website and the above url is from wikipedia go check it out.
Venture Era’s Cal Ion Water is energizing water that is rich in minerals such as calcium and magnesium. These minerals are in ionized form which is easily absorbed by the human body.
More than 70% of our body and 90% of our blood is made up of water. Drinking good water not only balances our blood circulation, it also improves our metabolism. At the same time, the alkaline (pH) level of Cal Ion water at 7.5 – 8.5, helps to neutralize the body toxins and other acidic substances and aids in prevention of diseases. Cooking using ionic calcium water can even retain nutrients in food.
Cal Ion water also has anti-oxidant functions, it protects cells & structure from harmful bacteria, improve immunity system and anti-aging effect.
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btw for those who dont know what hard water is
\we can actually do the hard water test if someone gets to buy a bottle of water from ve and then post it to youtube =D
Hard water is water that has a high mineral content (contrast with soft water). Hard water usually consists of calcium (Ca2+), magnesium (Mg2+) ions, and possibly other dissolved compounds such as bicarbonates and sulfates. Calcium usually enters the water as either calcium carbonate (CaCO3), in the form of limestone and chalk, or calcium sulfate (CaSO4), in the form of other mineral deposits. The predominant source of magnesium is dolomite (CaMg(CO3)2). Hard water is generally not harmful.
The simplest way to determine the hardness of water is the lather/froth test: soap or toothpaste, when agitated, lathers easily in soft water but not in hard water. More exact measurements of hardness can be obtained through a wet titration. The total water 'hardness' (including both Ca2+ and Mg2+ ions) is read as parts per million or weight/volume (mg/L) of calcium carbonate (CaCO3) in the water. Although water hardness usually only measures the total concentrations of calcium and magnesium (the two most prevalent, divalent metal ions), iron, aluminium, and manganese may also be present at elevated levels in some geographical locations.
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As what i had said, some people simply are too inmatured. they claim based on own assumption and judgement, so unprofessional. oh ya, i forget. they are professional in skepticals.
so far, only one person can show something about WHO. good. however, i strongly suggest you to go to WHO official website and read up the latest information and updates on Water and Calcium. I did my homework before but apparently, it seem like you just start to do your homework with so irrevelant information on our patented CAL ion.
on the WHO information you posted, i think you should read the 179pages official report ! the cut out is only a small little paragraph of the whole report which support water hardness but it seem you didnt do a good homework and backfire your claim. ahahhahaha, great joke!
regarding doing our product testing, please do so! i'm sick of seeing childish people who can only comment but cant even present anything constructive with proof and testing.
please dont talk about what livehood at stake la, we are professionals network marketer in the wellness industry and we arent afraid of anything since we do nothing wrong. you started to make me think that you are just a small boy who havent come out to see the big world. i doubt you even serve national service before. LOL.
I suggest to meet up with all the skepticals here for a coffee. i can go alone, you guys can gang up together to meet me. since now is chinese new year, i'm more free to entertain you guys. hahaa. how about this coming tuesday?
oh ya, if you guys are not sincere, just wanna be the typical skepticals that only want to talk their own point, then i think you can give excuse now how to reject my meeting up. hahaha.
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yes how did you know i am only 17. well at least my plan worked right? enquiries you claimed you were not a part of VE and now u finally admitted =D. why not you quote what is good about your hard water from WHO and put it here ? like what i do... instead of whining about your companies goods?