Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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enquiries can we meet you later? we have lots of enquiries to clear
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i think elementalangel's idea to buy in bulk and sell it could haf the possibility 2 work...
But would u sell the products w/o profit? how abt shipment? manpower cost? how abt storage of the products? the market? sell it to whom? if u do not want to sell it to friends n relatives, then how abt the advertisement cost? Does the market want/accept this product?
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http://www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse.cgi?ARCHID_6=6&query=alpine
alpine was sold to eco quest.... so eco quest is actually alpine
to white soul reaper... i would sell the products to VE distributors.. those money hungry people would definetely take a bait... =D maybe if i add the shipment and work myself rent a place to store my products which would only cose 20-30 dolars a month....
and make a profit of 200-300 dolars per unit... it wont even cost up till half of the VE's price
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
hey phaze you realise he does not answer your qns right?
btw they sell success packs for 2k+ usd. the success packs include 5 air purifyer and many freebies that i dont remember
Ahh... I actually tried to reply twice... and it failed both times. Once because I accidentally hit the back button, and another time because I accidentally clicked on a link. When I tried to come back to the compose page, my long-winded reply was gone.
I therefore came to the conclusion that I was not fated to reply. ;)
Having said that, what question are you referring to? I thought he did reply.
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http://www.corporatenarc.com/ecoquest.php
the price of teh product distributers are selling is there which is $599
they also indicate that it is a scam..
to enquiries.. why is it so easy to find so many things which are bad about ecoquest online but nothing good about it?
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i think it would depend on which type of VE agent that would take the bait... The 1st type is the one that u mentioned, the money hungry ppl... the 2nd type is the one that's chasing positions... If buy from u how they promote le...
I doubt that the shipment and storage would coz $20-30 only coz u buying in bulk! so it will be quite ex since shipment is by the weight of the products... How abt manpower? u carry urself isit? transportation? bus, mrt, taxi? storage at ur hse is for free la but gt enough space meh since u buy in bulk which is a lot.
if u do that i believe that u could sell the product at half the price VE is storing since VE have to pay a lot things more, one eg to maintain their headquaters and for their car incentives...
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shipment costs about 30 per unit... however the storage area only costs about 20-30 dolars...
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Originally posted by Phaze:
Ahh... I actually tried to reply twice... and it failed both times. Once because I accidentally hit the back button, and another time because I accidentally clicked on a link. When I tried to come back to the compose page, my long-winded reply was gone.
I therefore came to the conclusion that I was not fated to reply. ;)
Having said that, what question are you referring to? I thought he did reply.
he did reply.. however not properly,,, he always says about it being unsubstantial and then brushes it off...
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the car incentives is not like you think it would be .... you would have to chiong 6 mths at a minimum of 120k worth of merchandise per month , totalling it up to 720k in total... imagine how much profits have the company earned in the 6 mths? 320k, then they give you 10k and an ammount every month for your car... only if you sell something =D
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the shipment and storage not as ex as i expected it to be... It's a high possibility for u to sell half the price of that of VE's... but u need the capital 1st...
So wat's ur plan in detail?
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i wont buy in bulk however, ship in via air when ever people wants it.. now there are two routes, route 1: money hungry VE agents, route 2, sell it dirrectly to people ...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
he did reply.. however not properly,,, he always says about it being unsubstantial and then brushes it off...
Oh right. I would agree that perhaps he did not offer a satisfactory answer but again I think this is a matter of perspective. You and I may not consider it a satisfactory answer but to him, it is. In that sense, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's like debating religion. The religious person looks at the universe in all it's glory and thinks, "this is the proof of God. Only a perfect, immortal being could have created all of this." The atheist looks at the exact same thing and goes, "this is the proof that there is no God."
From my perspective, the price or markup does not really matter to me because I feel an item is worth whatever a person is willing to pay for it. I paid $5000 for my laptop. My girlfriend thinks it's too expensive for a laptop. At the same time, she (unfortunately) thinks that a $2000 LV bag is a good deal.
I do take your point that VE distributors may sell their product at a very high margin. If the network marketing model is a very effective method of selling the product, it may be worth the high cost of sales. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. McDonalds sells a medium coke for $2. I can get a Big Gulp of Coke from 7-11 at $1.60. More drink for less! But sometimes I still buy a coke from McDonalds rather than seeking out a 7-11. Or if I get good service from a particular shop, I may still buy from the shop even though I know I can get a lower price elsewhere.
I also don't have a problem with him arguing the merits of the products. Like I said before, I personally think it's all bunk and nonsense. But I also think fengshui, fortune telling, TCM, thai amulets, etc. are all mostly bunk and nonsense as well. But that's just my opioning and I excerise my choice no to purchase these kinds of products. But if people feel it's worth their money, I have no objection to people spending their money as they wish.
In fact, arguing the merits of the product is what he SHOULD do. It's no different from a Toyota salesman saying that Toyota cars are better than other cars. And I really think it's up to the buying to take personal responsibility for his or her buying decision and carefully consider the purchase, esp if it involves large sums of money.
My main problem with MLMs is the model itself. As you pointed out, there are many layers of distributor uplines - each of which that takes a cut effectively increasing the cost of the product. Those intermediate layers have no value add in the sales process.
Another problem (which was the point of the link I posted) is that MLMs don't have any concept of channel stuffing or channel conflict. An MLM has no limit to the number of sales people it recruits. In the example posted on ripoffreport, there were 12 people in a 1 mile radius selling the same product.
The worst problem (and I don't know if this is true of venture Era) is that MLMs often don't sell the product itself, but they use the product as a front for a pyramid scheme. The compensation scheme of MLMs is often designed to be abused. Take Sunshine Empire for example. You are buying epoints or Emcall talktime. But you are not really buying Emcall talktime. You are buying the promised 'rebates'. That changes the game and creates artificial, unsustainable demand for the product.
So there's no problem if a sales person convinces a customer to buy 5 air purifiers because he needs one in every room. But there is a problem if the person doesn't really want 5 air purifiers, but is buying only because he wants to advance to the next level of the compensation scheme and become a Super Marquis Lord Managing Director. -
Phaze, You made your statements & thoughts clearer in a mature,advanced cognitive thinking level(very rare of ppl)... I do get ur point clearly.
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elementalangel, i think that u should understand clearly wat phaze wrote... His statements r objective... Sorry to say, but i am stating facts, u TEND to be more opinionated in ur claims...
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Originally posted by Phaze:
Oh right. I would agree that perhaps he did not offer a satisfactory answer but again I think this is a matter of perspective. You and I may not consider it a satisfactory answer but to him, it is. In that sense, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's like debating religion. The religious person looks at the universe in all it's glory and thinks, "this is the proof of God. Only a perfect, immortal being could have created all of this." The atheist looks at the exact same thing and goes, "this is the proof that there is no God."
From my perspective, the price or markup does not really matter to me because I feel an item is worth whatever a person is willing to pay for it. I paid $5000 for my laptop. My girlfriend thinks it's too expensive for a laptop. At the same time, she (unfortunately) thinks that a $2000 LV bag is a good deal.
I do take your point that VE distributors may sell their product at a very high margin. If the network marketing model is a very effective method of selling the product, it may be worth the high cost of sales. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. McDonalds sells a medium coke for $2. I can get a Big Gulp of Coke from 7-11 at $1.60. More drink for less! But sometimes I still buy a coke from McDonalds rather than seeking out a 7-11. Or if I get good service from a particular shop, I may still buy from the shop even though I know I can get a lower price elsewhere.
I also don't have a problem with him arguing the merits of the products. Like I said before, I personally think it's all bunk and nonsense. But I also think fengshui, fortune telling, TCM, thai amulets, etc. are all mostly bunk and nonsense as well. But that's just my opioning and I excerise my choice no to purchase these kinds of products. But if people feel it's worth their money, I have no objection to people spending their money as they wish.
In fact, arguing the merits of the product is what he SHOULD do. It's no different from a Toyota salesman saying that Toyota cars are better than other cars. And I really think it's up to the buying to take personal responsibility for his or her buying decision and carefully consider the purchase, esp if it involves large sums of money.
My main problem with MLMs is the model itself. As you pointed out, there are many layers of distributor uplines - each of which that takes a cut effectively increasing the cost of the product. Those intermediate layers have no value add in the sales process.
Another problem (which was the point of the link I posted) is that MLMs don't have any concept of channel stuffing or channel conflict. An MLM has no limit to the number of sales people it recruits. In the example posted on ripoffreport, there were 12 people in a 1 mile radius selling the same product.
The worst problem (and I don't know if this is true of venture Era) is that MLMs often don't sell the product itself, but they use the product as a front for a pyramid scheme. The compensation scheme of MLMs is often designed to be abused. Take Sunshine Empire for example. You are buying epoints or Emcall talktime. But you are not really buying Emcall talktime. You are buying the promised 'rebates'. That changes the game and creates artificial, unsustainable demand for the product.
So there's no problem if a sales person convinces a customer to buy 5 air purifiers because he needs one in every room. But there is a problem if the person doesn't really want 5 air purifiers, but is buying only because he wants to advance to the next level of the compensation scheme and become a Super Marquis Lord Managing Director.yes agreed =D
however, most people only want to advance in their ranks as they would have more commision if they are in a higher rank... everything is just about money.. right?
so that can again explain why my plan of selling the items to people would work right?
at selling it at half the price that VE is selling to their own employees, the people would more money than even their highest of ranks after selling the products right?
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
yes agreed =D
however, most people only want to advance in their ranks as they would have more commision if they are in a higher rank... everything is just about money.. right?
so that can again explain why my plan of selling the items to people would work right?
at selling it at half the price that VE is selling to their own employees, the people would more money than even their highest of ranks after selling the products right?
Except that most people are not really interested in selling those products. They are selling products as a means to an end - which is to rise up the ranks, build up downlines and earn passive income so they can retire early, etc.
Sure, if they buy product from you to resell, they may be able to earn a bigger margin. But then they will need to keep selling and they won't achieve the passive income that they want.
But if they really want to earn income just by selling product, and are not interested in the passive income aspect, why would they buy from you? What is your value add? Unless you get an exclusivity deal with the manufacturer, why would someone what to deal with you as opposed to going directly to the manufacteror. Unless of course, your value add is something like making sure the product passes regulatory hurdles, or you do something that the sales person is unable to do himself or herself.
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yes i agree that people would like the passive income from their downline in network marketting, however, if they could keep concentrating on recruiting their downlines and sell the products at the same price as VE and buying it at half the price... i guess such people would be the ultimate winners right?
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I think it will be better to sell it to the customers to starve VE from having customers...
I am more interested in the cal water cos currently I dunno where this water filter is imported from (should be from taiwan)
Why not PM this guy for the price, he how much he quote
And this guy in hardware zone (last post of page 1), who labelled diamond water an inferior product, I think that guy is an idiot who just regerjutate all the words he had heard and didnt do any research
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obviously diamond water is better than the cal star... see the website of diamond water... VE dont even dare to put the quality that their agents claim calstar water filter can do into their website.... i got a feeling that VE's qualitites of their water filter is just a copy of diamond water's and of course are false claims from the agents...
yes i agree if i were to bring it into singaproe i am goign to sell it straight to consumers... starve VE of their business =D
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elementalangel, again, PROOF that diamond water is better than the cal star... do u haf any hard evidence that ve's cal satr is a copy of diamond water...IF i am not wrong diamond water is also mlm rite? - not too sure on this info...
how do u suggest that u want to starve VE of their biz, since they come towards the consumers which is their relativess n referrals... more trust... If ur gg to do advertisement, then ur product wont be half of VE's price anymore...it will be more...
Pls b more mature as it seems ur post have a kind of STRONG anger towards VE, and i am not sure y either since u haf said that they didnt really harm u in anyway...
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
elementalangel, again, PROOF that diamond water is better than the cal star... do u haf any hard evidence that ve's cal satr is a copy of diamond water...IF i am not wrong diamond water is also mlm rite? - not too sure on this info...
how do u suggest that u want to starve VE of their biz, since they come towards the consumers which is their relativess n referrals... more trust... If ur gg to do advertisement, then ur product wont be half of VE's price anymore...it will be more...
Pls b more mature as it seems ur post have a kind of STRONG anger towards VE, and i am not sure y either since u haf said that they didnt really harm u in anyway...
lets just assume that seeing is believing , we trust their websites. ok?
you see the qualities : http://www.diamond.com.my/about_diamond_eng.htm
http://www.venture-eragroup.com/sg/cal_premiere.html
the cal premiere specs on the site is so much less than what the agents claimed.. why??
and teh advertising part... how much can having an advertistment at VE's busstop cost? 200-300? i dont know.. however certainly not till tens of thousands right?
advertistments in form of pamplets cost about 50 for a very very big box... then workers would then cost about 4.50 an hour giving out those pamplets... right infront of VE =D
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thats the thing... U r assuming through the websites thats provided and u based ur conclusion on ur assumption... Its not justifiable to base ur claim on an ASSUMPTION...
Advertisements in singapore aint cheap, u put 1 ad at the bustop, a few hundred $$$$, but how many ppl really see the ad? and how many ppl interested in it? usually these VE agents would take a few hrs of ppl's time presenting...
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if u go in and spend 4 hrs of ur time in VE , then tell the agent that you would seriously consider... then on your way back home , while waiting for a bus JUST outside VE, u see an ad " SELLING ALL ITEMS VE IS SELLING AT HALF THEIR PRICE!!! magnetic pads at 800 dolars!! eco quest air purifyers at 1.2k!!!! EXACTLY THE SAME AS VE IS SELLING!!!"
would you still buy from VE?? even if you wont want to buy from me... that would definetely deter you from buying from VE right?
the calstar thing... they have totaly no proof whereas diamond water has certificates and loads of awards to proove that their product can work... do you have proof that calstar works? any photo copies of awards?
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I wouldnt agree on ur opinion of the ad, it still comes down to relatives kindship... may be more expensive, but if its my nieces, cousin etc... I would still buy from them if i WANT the poduct... those 'detered' wont buy from anyone coz they would not want to buy it in the 1st place...
I have no proof or haf i ever assume that VE cal star is better than Diamond... i did NOT make such statements neither do i know which one is better... So why is there a need for me to proof anything wen i am not even choosing which one is better...
But YOU CLAIMED that Diamond water is obviously better than VE cal star... Do u haf any PROOF that diamond water is better than VE cal star?
P.S. elementalangel, pls think, understand & ans more maturely abt the statements b4 posting... I CANT STAND IMMATURE THINKING...
Y notu do the ad at VE... and we'll see if it really works... No action, no talk...
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i understand what are you trying to say... however this is not like something which is cheap, eg a pen from a stationary shop. you wont feel the pinch. its only 1 dolar... we are talking about a price difference of about 2k here... would you buy something from your niece knowing that it costs 2k more the outside?
not saying you are wrong.. however, to me.. i personally wont buy.. perhaps different people got different mind set..
teh credibility part... diamond water has their own tv show and such.. if you were to choose between who products, one which is widly advertised and has many awards and proofs for show that it works, or another which has no backing and claims that it works from certain indivisuals... i would not judge you by your choice , however can you give me an answer for this qn?