david.. i know yu might face rejections, setbacks, however... have you ever thought of how to sell to those who are not your peers? strangers? do u know that attempting to sell to them has a much much lower chance of gaining success?
Yes, i undertsand that selling to strangers have a lower chance of closing rate. But as i am still under going training, my first few appointments will be with my friends.
But i will not be giving up yet even though live in MLM is going to be hard.
Originally posted by David lou4:
First point, there are 3 ways for people to sell things,.....
1. put your product on the table or shelf to let people buy.
2. call up your friends to tell them about this product
3. knock door to door to sell to strangers.
He also told us that those who did not make is at SA or drop outs of course won't achive their dreams.
He added that if Venture Era is selling health products to people and people think MLM is a scam, he asked us if a hospital or small shops are selling different health products to people... Is it right for them to do that or is it a scam?
You know, actually I have no comments on your posts till I read this part. Your post oversimplify the whole situation.
Hospitals put their reputation and professionalism at risk to sell the products to patients. They arent your neighbourhood one day old setup which could scoot away, neither are they your pushy door to door vendors. I wouldnt say its 100% safe, but the degree of scrutiny on their products backed by the army of medical practitioners is at comfortable level. I am not sure why you lump 'hospital' and 'scam' together.
Neither is it realistic to lump small shops and MLM together. MLM is considered scams by many is largely due to the business model and lack of professionalism among the agents, which bring suspicions on the products that they are pushing. Shops take a reactive approach and only sell to people who patronises them. They are not like MLMers who have to reach out to consumers instead.
Your statement is giving the impression people are biased against MLM because they are selling health products, but show different attitude towards hospitals and small shops, neglecting that MLM, hospitals and small shops are unequitable entities, and that health products is not a defining factor in why people think MLM is a scam.
Please, like I have told other MLMers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations. Its unprofessional and superbly inaccurate
Originally posted by laurence82:You know, actually I have no comments on your posts till I read this part. Your post oversimplify the whole situation.
Hospitals put their reputation and professionalism at risk to sell the products to patients. They arent your neighbourhood one day old setup which could scoot away, neither are they your pushy door to door vendors. I wouldnt say its 100% safe, but the degree of scrutiny on their products backed by the army of medical practitioners is at comfortable level. I am not sure why you lump 'hospital' and 'scam' together.
Neither is it realistic to lump small shops and MLM together. MLM is considered scams by many is largely due to the business model and lack of professionalism among the agents, which bring suspicions on the products that they are pushing. Shops take a reactive approach and only sell to people who patronises them. They are not like MLMers who have to reach out to consumers instead.
Your statement is giving the impression people are biased against MLM because they are selling health products, but show different attitude towards hospitals and small shops, neglecting that MLM, hospitals and small shops are unequitable entities, and that health products is not a defining factor in why people think MLM is a scam.
Please, like I have told other MLMers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations. Its unprofessional and superbly inaccurate
I can agree with what you said, especially the part on lack of professionalism among agents.
As what you told other newbie MLMers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations because its unprofessional and superbly inaccurate.....
I also told some forumers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations because its very inmature and superbly inaccurate.
No names mentioned here but you know who I referring to. =)
Originally posted by hiphop2009:
well, let me ask u a few questions:will you bluff (or cheat) to sell your products away?
will you pester (or even pressure) your family and friends to buy your product?
I help him to answer because VE teaching is,
we will not bluff to sell our products. we will share the truth on what the products can do, backed up by science and professionals.
we will not pester our family and friends to buy products because we respect their decision to know whats best for themselves.
I agree with the post above.....
Okay. So let me understand this. You don't pester family and friends. So basically you are just doing direct sales?
This "backed up by science thing" is interesting. Could you name the product that is backed up by science?
Originally posted by enquiries:I can agree with what you said, especially the part on lack of professionalism among agents.
As what you told other newbie MLMers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations because its unprofessional and superbly inaccurate.....
I also told some forumers before, do not oversimplify matters and put them into few liners and end off with a lot of insinuations because its very inmature and superbly inaccurate.
No names mentioned here but you know who I referring to. =)
huh?
Originally posted by David lou4:I agree with the post above.....
No wonder for forumers' frustrations
Can you answer back directly to their responses, and also avoid simple one liners like 'i agree with the post above'?
Is this all you can say? Or you seriously got nuthing to say?
lol.. he is totally brainwashed ... maybe enquiries is of a higher rank than him.. there fore as a VErian he should listen to whatever enquiries say.. and say "YES!! YES!! YESS" just like what he do when his higher ranks con his family =x
no offence supposed to be a joke
Originally posted by elementalangel:lol.. he is totally brainwashed ... maybe enquiries is of a higher rank than him.. there fore as a VErian he should listen to whatever enquiries say.. and say "YES!! YES!! YESS" just like what he do when his higher ranks con his family =x
no offence supposed to be a joke
lol.. EA is totally brainless... maybe he closed his mind for too long... therefore as a brainless kid, he thinks using his ass... and say " YES !! YES !! YESS" when the shit is coming out.
is MLM a scam? "YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted with his mouth full of shit.
is EA brainless? " YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted as his shits flowing out from the nose.
is EA head filled with shit? " YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted as the shits flowing out from the ears.
oh .. isn't EA a shitty man? you bet it!
no offence supposed to be a joke
Originally posted by laurence82:No wonder for forumers' frustrations
Can you answer back directly to their responses, and also avoid simple one liners like 'i agree with the post above'?
Is this all you can say? Or you seriously got nuthing to say?
i replied for him.
No wonder for network marketers' frustrations.
the skeptics always says "its a scam! dont cheat the people!".. and when we asked why the skeptics think so,
they has no response or simply, "its a scam la! it cheat people ma!"
is that all they can say? no wonder skeptics are viewed as inmature, destructive and simply worthless junk.
Originally posted by enquiries:
I help him to answer because VE teaching is,1st. we will not bluff to sell our products. we will share the truth on what the products can do, backed up by science and professionals.
2nd. we will not pester our family and friends to buy products because we respect their decision to know whats best for themselves.
reply to ur 1st statment:
probably some of the agent need to learn more about the product that they are selling.
reply to your 2nd statement:
when their friends and family do not want to buy their products, they asked them to join VE themselves. Thats the pestering part when they really find ways and means to get the person to join VE. i got a friend who got very traumatised simply because her friend pressure (and after attending those talks in VE) to join and her parents simply refused to let her join even after one of the agent went to her house to explain the whole thing to her mother. The family relationship got jeopardize because of the whole incident.
i must say some of the agents in MLM companies are very professional, but some are simply pulling downlines and thats it.
one thing to note though, it has been quite a while since i see "fruitful" discussion in this thread and previously, those who supported MLM has to resort to flaming in here, but i can see some light in this thread finally.
Originally posted by enquiries:
lol.. EA is totally brainless... maybe he closed his mind for too long... therefore as a brainless kid, he thinks using his ass... and say " YES !! YES !! YESS" when the shit is coming out.is MLM a scam? "YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted with his mouth full of shit.
is EA brainless? " YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted as his shits flowing out from the nose.
is EA head filled with shit? " YES !! YES !! YESS" EA shouted as the shits flowing out from the ears.
oh .. isn't EA a shitty man? you bet it!
no offence supposed to be a joke
you cant blame him, as wad i have posted, some people really had a tough time, felt cheated and tricked into joining MLM.
It is just a matter of opinion.
Originally posted by enquiries:
i replied for him.No wonder for network marketers' frustrations.
the skeptics always says "its a scam! dont cheat the people!".. and when we asked why the skeptics think so,
they has no response or simply, "its a scam la! it cheat people ma!"
is that all they can say? no wonder skeptics are viewed as inmature, destructive and simply worthless junk.
I must say, it is true that more and more people are getting the idea that MLM is "scam". I remember there was this local TV serial drama showing this part when there was this lady doing MLM was trying to sell dunnoe wad pill or pillow and kind of like pestering and "grabbing" every opportunity to sell. It might not hav potrayed that MLM is bad itself, but it showed things that are really happening and people will have the idea that people doing MLM are only after money, not real friendship.
i personally too do not "like" MLM too, not because i find that it is a scam, but rather, i feel that it makes my friendship fake. A long lost secondary school contact (whom last time also not v close) can suddenly ask me out and treat me like my v gd friend, and in the end i was intro to a MLM company (shant disclose the company name) and asked to join them. (i didnt join in the end)
It is because MLM agents always use this sentence "Aiyah, how much u can make from doing your part time job? Join MLM la, you can make more money easily from doing MLM", that makes MLM even more suspicious.
"Improving yourself, let your parents retire early, having a car soon, must have big dreams..." all the agents i have met before all said the same thing.
thats the reason why u cannot blame people from thinking that MLM is bad.
Originally posted by enquiries:
i replied for him.No wonder for network marketers' frustrations.
the skeptics always says "its a scam! dont cheat the people!".. and when we asked why the skeptics think so,
they has no response or simply, "its a scam la! it cheat people ma!"
is that all they can say? no wonder skeptics are viewed as inmature, destructive and simply worthless junk.
This isnt a reply to my post.
I have asked specifically why he compare three unequitable entities together, and oversimplifying the situation. What is he insinuating by jumping from VE selling health products and stating that hospitals and shops are also selling health products? What are his grouses that he did not dare to make clear? After all these, what have you answered for him that and which he simply 'parroted' along?
Not only that, in return, you can only make conclusions about skeptics without pointing out how and why, when you dont even respond specifically to my posts. How to justify skeptics no having other responses other than 'its a scam la'
Bear in mind, you are promoting your business, if you cant win people over and resort to lambasting people who dont give you business, be professional and stop whining like a sore loser.
Consumer have their rights, and the best businessmen are those who won over their customers, not whining about it.
Originally posted by hiphop2009:i personally too do not "like" MLM too, not because i find that it is a scam, but rather, i feel that it makes my friendship fake. A long lost secondary school contact (whom last time also not v close) can suddenly ask me out and treat me like my v gd friend, and in the end i was intro to a MLM company (shant disclose the company name) and asked to join them. (i didnt join in the end)
It is because MLM agents always use this sentence "Aiyah, how much u can make from doing your part time job? Join MLM la, you can make more money easily from doing MLM", that makes MLM even more suspicious.
"Improving yourself, let your parents retire early, having a car soon, must have big dreams..." all the agents i have met before all said the same thing.
thats the reason why u cannot blame people from thinking that MLM is bad.
I find that there are more and more MLMers making these sort of foolish remarks. Is it out of frustrations because of lack of income, mere stupidity or pure whining?
*shrugs*
enquiries can u please stop helping people answer questions and answer your own question dirrected to u? flip afew pages back and you can see my question dirrected to you which u claimed u were too busy to answer .. we can actually see u here...
Originally posted by laurence82:I find that there are more and more MLMers making these sort of foolish remarks. Is it out of frustrations because of lack of income, mere stupidity or pure whining?
*shrugs*
you do not know....lol~ only the MLMers knows.
lolz
I find it funnier. In the corporate world, consumers are people to be won over. In MLM world, they make it like 'believe or be damned'.
Originally posted by laurence82:lolz
I find it funnier. In the corporate world, consumers are people to be won over. In MLM world, they make it like 'believe or be damned'.
quite true. When i was asked to join last time, they talk till like if u dun join, u will be hopeless and will not be rich forever.
i find it funny that sometimes they dun go and win consumers' heart, but rather, they try to make pple buy and JOIN, calling them "business partners"
Originally posted by hiphop2009:quite true. When i was asked to join last time, they talk till like if u dun join, u will be hopeless and will not be rich forever.
i find it funny that sometimes they dun go and win consumers' heart, but rather, they try to make pple buy and JOIN, calling them "business partners"
urs is sunshine empire?
Originally posted by elementalangel:
urs is sunshine empire?
no. haha. shant disclose. lol.
kinda similar to se though...