Wah, world war 3?
Can anyone explain to me why did VE use the tactic of trickery? Well I don't know about now, but that's what they do 2 years ago.
Originally posted by laurence82:lolz
I find it funnier. In the corporate world, consumers are people to be won over. In MLM world, they make it like 'believe or be damned'.
LOL!!
i think you dont understand that MLM or corporate, its the same, consumers are people to be won over.
i dont see any "believe or be damned" as what you claimed.. unless you are thinking we should convince and win all skeptics over? if thats the case, then i think you are quite naive. =)
Originally posted by redstone:Wah, world war 3?
Can anyone explain to me why did VE use the tactic of trickery? Well I don't know about now, but that's what they do 2 years ago.
VE didnt use trickery, i think you make another claims thats not convincing.
No wonder for network marketers' frustrations.
the skeptics always says "its a scam! dont cheat the people!".. and when we asked why the skeptics think so,
they has no response or simply, "its a scam la! it cheat people ma!"
is that all they can say? no wonder skeptics are viewed as inmature, destructive and simply worthless junk.
Not only that, in return, they can only make conclusions about MLM without pointing out how and why, when they cant even respond to why they make such claims. How to justify what the skeptics claim?
Bear in mind, skeptics are promoting their idea, if they cant win people over and resort to lambasting people who dont agreed with them, i advised them to be more professional and stop whining like a sore losers.
while skeptics have their rights, and the best businessmen can have their rights too.
i have talk to people who have negative views on MLM but after the talks, they are generally positive about it even though they may not join eventually. However, i wont waste my time with skeptics because they already made up their mind on something they believed in, aka brainwashed.
why people consider mlm a scam is so obvious.. personally ii dont think its a scam.. however i can think of some reasons ...
1) their market is limited
2) they are always given false hopes
3) certain mlms operate like cults
4) most mlm in singapore would coers you to buy an item when u join.. just like their compensation plan, gets activated only after u sell or buy one item for yourself...(totally defeats the purpose of a mlm)
5) no qualifications are required...
6) people tell u not to study.. i just rmbed VE sbgm told me not to study, the botak who thinks he damn succesful..
about the sceptics or whatever.... you created that word your self...
ok i shall call us critics... why not you take our comments as possitive information? seek improvement and shut our mouth.. instead of blaming others in your company as black sheeps??? seriously VE is the first company i have ever see in my life who blames the rest of the company for being black sheeps...
Originally posted by elementalangel:why people consider mlm a scam is so obvious.. personally ii dont think its a scam.. however i can think of some reasons ...
1) their market is limited
2) they are always given false hopes
3) certain mlms operate like cults
4) most mlm in singapore would coers you to buy an item when u join.. just like their compensation plan, gets activated only after u sell or buy one item for yourself...(totally defeats the purpose of a mlm)
5) no qualifications are required...
6) people tell u not to study.. i just rmbed VE sbgm told me not to study, the botak who thinks he damn succesful..
thats why i think you dont understand about MLM. LOL!!
1. market is limited to planet earth.
2. they give hopes. (if you failed your exam, do you blame the teacher, the paper or yourself?) LOL!!
3. since you use the word certain, then thats nothing to do with the rest. I wont condemn christians if some church operate like cults.
4. if you dont sell product, then what for you join mlm. LOL !!! dont you understand what is product distribution?? LOL !!
5. of course no qualification. what qualification is needed to start your own business? LOL !!! i think those auntie that sell prawn noodle have to go back school liao. hahahaha !!
6. i think study is important. MLM is also a knowledge-based industry that required learning too. i think you assume and twisted the meaning between study and paper qualification.
6. anyway, what botak you talking about? LOL !! i dont think ve people will think they are damn successful, unless you think so. so i take it as a compliments. LOL !!
Originally posted by elementalangel:about the sceptics or whatever.... you created that word your self...
ok i shall call us critics... why not you take our comments as possitive information? seek improvement and shut our mouth.. instead of blaming others in your company as black sheeps??? seriously VE is the first company i have ever see in my life who blames the rest of the company for being black sheeps...
we dont blame others in our company as black sheeps. when do we say that? i think you are again too childish and put words into our mouth again.
havent you learn from the previous encounters that even people who are neutral in their views also think you are too biased and inmature?
haiz... 17yo kid never learns. i think you the "seek improvement and shut your mouth" applies to you instead of me. LOL !!
Originally posted by enquiries:He did not say that ethnics dont matter, dont put words into his mouth. i think you are twisting the whole story.
if you are questioning about ethnics, i think you should question on individual ethnics rather than on the company or industry level because there are many distributors running their network marketing business with sincerity and ethncis. you cannot be using one person or few to comment on the whole company or industry, it does not justify.
secondly, when he is refering on the tactics, i think he is talking more on sales and marketing approach. we must understand that there are professional in sales and marketing, there are newbies too. their approachs are different and if we just bite on some newbies poor sales approach and condemn the whole company or industry, then i think thats very inmature.
i also experienced poor sales approach, not just network marketing, but also in shopping centre etc. however, that doesnt stop me from buying or until the extend of pulling the whole company or the industry down because of that 1 person.
of course, there are also very people who are very narrow minded with strong critics and inmature behaviour. Thats their own personalities and i have no comments on them.
lastly, i think any kind of people can post in internet, so do i kids and young teen who dont know much, but they think they know alot. Empty vase make the most noise.. right?
one of them.. u are blaming others
u are actually a person who shrink your responsibility rather than getting to face it.. if you had done it , just admit it.. first i had to force u to admit u are a VE personal.. then u say u nv push the blame on others.. haix
the botak is the head of the blue zone..
if your newbies are not up to scratch then its your responsibility to train them
I myself, a member of VE thinks that David is a little 'brainwashed' . David, when you post your comment on hospital, small shops and mlm, scam etc. I dont think you really knew what you are talking about...
I think that david, you should think on YOUR OWN... Not what others in the co. is telling you... I dont follow what the leaders are telling me...
One simple reason, if everyone follows the leaders steps, wouldnt all of them be doing well now. Do things differently and MAYBE you'll do well. Provided you do it the right way...
Enquires and elementalangel fighting again...
david is fine.. at least he would proove his point.. by working hard.. selling ..
Originally posted by elementalangel:david is fine.. at least he would proove his point.. by working hard.. selling ..
get what u mean, but i still think he is too into it already.
Another point that I would like to mention. Some agents say that if dont do mlm, u not successful or poor. I disagree. To me mlm can make me achieve my goals and dreams, but to the rest may be different.
mlm is just another occupation.. hang hang chu zhuang yuan.... so there would be those who are successful and those who are not.. but sadly in the case of mlms in sg.. most of them sell severely overpriced products which are not unique.. thats why its hard to survive in mlm in sg.. and therefore those not successful would consider it a scam
I have to agree with you on this, except the overpriced part. U know my opinion on the price based on our pages of debates before, so, I am not getting into that... But what u said on mlm is an occupation and that those who didnt do well cry scam. This part I agree...
just let them be ba.. hopefully he wont get psychoed by that botak to quit school.. if not really vv sad
I think the botak u r mentioning is MR. D isit? I disagree abt quitting sch? Even if I want to chase after my dreams in VE why must I quit sch? Cant I do both at the same time? Anyways, quit sch then do what? Most ppl wont be home coz of office hours which happens to be sch hours also rite?
yes mr Dewi.. lol.. he said wad go sko useless.. blaa bla bla...
He said that? Then he finish school can isit?
he drop out of poly..
Originally posted by enquiries:
LOL!!i think you dont understand that MLM or corporate, its the same, consumers are people to be won over.
i dont see any "believe or be damned" as what you claimed.. unless you are thinking we should convince and win all skeptics over? if thats the case, then i think you are quite naive. =)
Oh really, to be won over means pouring out your grouses like this?
Let me quote someone:
i replied for him.
No wonder for network marketers' frustrations.
the skeptics always says "its a scam! dont cheat the people!".. and when we asked why the skeptics think so,
they has no response or simply, "its a scam la! it cheat people ma!"
is that all they can say? no wonder skeptics are viewed as
inmature, destructive and simply worthless junk.
Indeed, I have learnt from an MLMer that you must win consumers over by railing against them in a public forum. Wow....
And since when 'believe or be damned' = must convince and win all skeptics over? Which school of maniacal thoughts did you pop out from?
Trying your utmost to win skeptics over is a personal achievement to be admired, while damning skeptics whom you cant convince is equivalent of calling unreachable grapes sour.
You can choose not to convince skeptics, but please do not whine like a sore loser if they reject your offers.
Thats the whole idea.
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:I myself, a member of VE thinks that David is a little 'brainwashed' . David, when you post your comment on hospital, small shops and mlm, scam etc. I dont think you really knew what you are talking about...
I think that david, you should think on YOUR OWN... Not what others in the co. is telling you... I dont follow what the leaders are telling me...
One simple reason, if everyone follows the leaders steps, wouldnt all of them be doing well now. Do things differently and MAYBE you'll do well. Provided you do it the right way...
Enquires and elementalangel fighting again...
David may seems callous in his remarks, but I believe even the more 'experienced' enquiries have avoided my question on the three unequitable entities. Glad you've noticed how unfair it is to compare apple with oranges.
Actually, from experience, MLM is more like a disemmination of tried and tested methods, spreading downstream from the leader, with allowance given to downlines to tweak it to match their style and circle of friends.However, what David is, is probably a mirror of his uplines, which again, a bad reflection of the higher ups in VE. Not to mention other stragglers (except yourself) who pop up once in a while here shooting their bloody mouth off, it can result in even worse impression on VE, given the speed in which info spreads in internet.
to enquiries..
u said need education for what right?
if you are a business man.. entrepreneur... like what VE claimed they are...
would you want your worker to have a quallification?
I will not make claims which are not real. My encounter with VE two years ago was as I wrote. I was tricked down, then forced to sit thru "presentation" and was held back for 2 hours.