Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
oh well no point explaining to u.. just see for yourself when it comes out..
oh well... No point trying to get my points across... You just have to learn it the hard way... With your parents money burnt...So, you are away that selling these products are more of relationship selling? What's your next move, make everyone in singapore your friend, so that you can sell cheaper VE products online?
I cant wait till your story comes out on ST, boy made parents bankrupt...
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actually not more of relationship selling.. oooh well... talk is cheap.. i shall not argue about this as what i am going to do would not just happen in the virtual world..
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white_soulreaper,
you are pretty pathetic.
pls dun send me stupid messages.
white_soulreaper sent me this msg:
hi huzane89,
i read your posts on the VE thread... sad to say that your experience in VE was not a pleasant one... However, VE now is very much different... If you dont mind, why not you come down to our office and take it look? It's now its located at MDIS building near Eunos MRT... VE now is much better, one example is our building is much bigger and we have better space and facilities for us to use...There's also an addition to our products range that can benefit other peoples quality of life our agents too have grown in numbers... ...
I gurantee you that if you join me, you'll grow into a rational thinking, matured young man... And you too have a chance to earn some money for yourself, and benefit others...
Why not you come down and just take a look... You have no obligation to join me... Just give me a chance to prove my worth... I'll try my very best to keep it all under 1 hour... Your time wont be wasted, I can gurantee you that...
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lol wtf =.=
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oh well.. i guess if i set up that bussiness i am not too much into earning money but more to benifiting others=)
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
read my posts properly and understand it...The product is not expensive compared to ones health... In mlm, people use relationship and trust to sell their products... People wont account for the money so much...
In your situation, you are selling it to the cold market... People dont know you, dont trust you... How do you buy 1K item from a person/brand that you dont know or trust?
Look at what he said. Use relationship and trust to sell products. Even enyouth people know that's the reason why some mlmers end up losing all friends. Are you sure this is what your manager taught you? No wonder VE has a worse repulation than some other bigger companies. -
Originally posted by huzane89:
white_soulreaper,
you are pretty pathetic.
pls dun send me stupid messages.
white_soulreaper sent me this msg:
I LOL @ you, White_SoulReaper. So is Mr Raymond still there?
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wa gana expose will sien 100% one seah...
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Originally posted by curiousity84:
HAHAHA... WTF?? Now the peole is talking abt service. What kind of service is venture era giving?? It totally bullshit! Does VE provide fast and effective delivery for their products?? My gd fren's delivery was delayed for 4 mths.... What can i say... Reason given was product out of stock... I wonder what VE and the distributor been doin all these while.....
Wah, VE talking abt service? WAHAHAHAHA. Some agents have no ethics and they talk abt it?
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Originally posted by huzane89:
why do they give the ranking name that would woa others. Wah! you business manager while you still studying ar? So gd. One month the pay is a few k. Wah.
patheticSee how much their "pay" is when all their downlines go on strike for a month.
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Originally posted by huzane89:
white_soulreaper,
you are pretty pathetic.
pls dun send me stupid messages.
white_soulreaper sent me this msg:
huzane89,
if you're not interested, you could have just replied to me nicely... No need to broadcast it to the whole world!
I was merely trying to help you out... Your mentality of VE is wrong... If I can only show you that VE has changed...
But, oh well, I cant do anything if you are too stubborn... Its your lost... A great opportunity just slipped right through your fingers...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
oh well.. i guess if i set up that bussiness i am not too much into earning money but more to benifiting others=)
We have the same ideology, why go against each other?Anyways, I am still waiting on your 'big plans' to bring VE down...
If it doesnt work out, VE's door is always open for you...
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
I LOL @ you, White_SoulReaper. So is Mr Raymond still there?
Yes, he's still here and very successful... Unlike you... -
Originally posted by redstone:
See how much their "pay" is when all their downlines go on strike for a month.
as if it will ever happen... -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
We have the same ideology, why go against each other?Anyways, I am still waiting on your 'big plans' to bring VE down...
If it doesnt work out, VE's door is always open for you...
i sell at an affordable price while giving them health benefits.. you make them pay through their nose.. totally on a different side of the line.
you are seriously pathetic in the way you told huzane89 dont tell him its his loss. you just saw the opportunity to recruit a potential downline.for redstone thing.. it would soon happen, definetely
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
as if it will ever happen...Why not? Cos they're too brainwashed into thinking that they can earn big selling VE?
At the same time I quote your post that Raymond is successful. Defined success.
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
for redstone thing.. it would soon happen, definetely
Haha. They claim they have 5 figure earnings right? Ok fine. I challenge all the downlines to stop selling for a month, or 2 weeks also can. A week also can. Get everyone you know under the same upline, to stop selling for a week. See how much their income is.
Their income comes from you. Without you they're no different from being beggars on the street.
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Originally posted by redstone:
Haha. They claim they have 5 figure earnings right? Ok fine. I challenge all the downlines to stop selling for a month, or 2 weeks also can. A week also can. Get everyone you know under the same upline, to stop selling for a week. See how much their income is.
Their income comes from you. Without you they're no different from being beggars on the street.
actually the outcome is obvious... they just cant selll... i guess after you work in a mlm for an extended period of time.. you wont be able to sell as much.. your contacts would all be drained. you can only depend on your downlines for pay. look at all the old timers at VE. who is actually actively selling? no one . because they have no more referals and contacts already. aside from their customers who buy small products regularly, no one would buy anything from them already. all they have left is their downlines for support.
Forget about residual pay. VE works in a way where if a person is in the same level as you, you wont get any pay. other than their managers fund and such..
So what u get is not an endless cycle of money. however you get to leverage on that person till he is maybe a bgm? which would approximately be 10-20k condsidering that you gain only 5-10 percent of the points in your system.
forget about what they told you about retiring early.. there is actually a price tag in every one of your downline. the maximum ammount of money you can get from them. if you have 100 dirrect downlines. all of them could work till bgm, you would then be a millionare, other than that.. dont believe in any other self-proclaimed millionare wanabe.. do the math, dont listen to all their bull shit... -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Yes, he's still here and very successful... Unlike you...Tell mi more.. What's your defination of successful?
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
huzane89,
if you're not interested, you could have just replied to me nicely... No need to broadcast it to the whole world!
I was merely trying to help you out... Your mentality of VE is wrong... If I can only show you that VE has changed...
But, oh well, I cant do anything if you are too stubborn... Its your lost... A great opportunity just slipped right through your fingers...
come on, i know whats right & wrong. no need to help me,just help yourself. -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
i sell at an affordable price while giving them health benefits.. you make them pay through their nose.. totally on a different side of the line.
you are seriously pathetic in the way you told huzane89 dont tell him its his loss. you just saw the opportunity to recruit a potential downline.for redstone thing.. it would soon happen, definetely
how much is your affordable price?
perspective, 3K is affordable to me... Maybe not to you, but many ppl can afford 3K just like that....
What I converse with huzane89 is non of your business...
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Originally posted by redstone:
Why not? Cos they're too brainwashed into thinking that they can earn big selling VE?
At the same time I quote your post that Raymond is successful. Defined success.
he has money, car and a good life...Many ppl admire & respect him... Most ppl would take a lifetime or will never achieve that level of success...
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Originally posted by redstone:
Haha. They claim they have 5 figure earnings right? Ok fine. I challenge all the downlines to stop selling for a month, or 2 weeks also can. A week also can. Get everyone you know under the same upline, to stop selling for a week. See how much their income is.
Their income comes from you. Without you they're no different from being beggars on the street.
Why dont you try and convince VE 'underlings' to do just that...Of course what you said is true... But the theory of yours too has an impact on other business models... Lets say all the employees of the company quits, then the co. cannot function thus no profit... Geez, thanks for that logical thinking that everybody knows...
If the top management of the company quits, those at the lower level will too cease to function properly due to the lack of leadership entity...
In VE, its not the downlines that carry the top management, its the management, the leaders that carry the heavy burdens of having downlines... Know the difference...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
actually the outcome is obvious... they just cant selll... i guess after you work in a mlm for an extended period of time.. you wont be able to sell as much.. your contacts would all be drained. you can only depend on your downlines for pay. look at all the old timers at VE. who is actually actively selling? no one . because they have no more referals and contacts already. aside from their customers who buy small products regularly, no one would buy anything from them already. all they have left is their downlines for support.
Forget about residual pay. VE works in a way where if a person is in the same level as you, you wont get any pay. other than their managers fund and such..
So what u get is not an endless cycle of money. however you get to leverage on that person till he is maybe a bgm? which would approximately be 10-20k condsidering that you gain only 5-10 percent of the points in your system.
forget about what they told you about retiring early.. there is actually a price tag in every one of your downline. the maximum ammount of money you can get from them. if you have 100 dirrect downlines. all of them could work till bgm, you would then be a millionare, other than that.. dont believe in any other self-proclaimed millionare wanabe.. do the math, dont listen to all their bull shit...Contact running out will be an impossibility... Ppl always make new friends, new relatives(family members married) and also there's referrals... Just need to learn how to do networking and one will have an abundance of ppl's contacts...
Of course at a certain position, one need not get the comission of their downline... It motivates the individual to work harder and not laze around and PURELY get commission of their downline at all times... So there's not much motive for the upline to be gd to the downline... Therefore, friendship in VE is sincere, not on some underlying motive...
Can you conclude your last point in a true mathematical analysis? It doesnt mean that one have not done it, it never will be... Look at the wright brothers story as an eg... Anyways, there are many overseas mlmers that earn 6 figure incomes every month...
Do more research boy, dont be too lazy and then callously make remarks baseless claims...
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Tell mi more.. What's your defination of successful?
he has money, car and a good life...Many ppl admire & respect him... Most ppl would take a lifetime or will never achieve that level of success...