Originally posted by huzane89:
come on, i know whats right & wrong. no need to help me,just help yourself.
I didnt say that you couldnt deferentiate between whats right and wrong... I am sincerely giving my hand out to help you... You are just wraped into a blanket of hate towards VE now... You are not thinking rationally...
Dont you want to achieve success in life? Better start young right?
Define "success". If someone's idea of success is something more than money, something money cannot achieve there's no use forcing ppl to accept this ideology.
A life in the pursuit of money for the sole purpose of money is very shallow. Find your own true happiness in life. If your hapiness and passion is in sales, fine go ahead. Not everyone is interested in sales, fyi.
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Why dont you try and convince VE 'underlings' to do just that...Of course what you said is true... But the theory of yours too has an impact on other business models... Lets say all the employees of the company quits, then the co. cannot function thus no profit... Geez, thanks for that logical thinking that everybody knows...
If the top management of the company quits, those at the lower level will too cease to function properly due to the lack of leadership entity...
In VE, its not the downlines that carry the top management, its the management, the leaders that carry the heavy burdens of having downlines... Know the difference...
Why not, just try to get everyone u know in VE to stop working. Since most of them are students.
Why will having lots of downlines be a burden?
True, but other companies work based on salary. A basic monthly take home pay. Even if many people quit, the others will still receive their pay, unless of cos the company decides to cut their pay. however in MLM concept, you income depends solely on your downlines. When one guy quits, you lose a part of your potential income.
Originally posted by redstone:Define "success". If someone's idea of success is something more than money, something money cannot achieve there's no use forcing ppl to accept this ideology.
A life in the pursuit of money for the sole purpose of money is very shallow. Find your own true happiness in life. If your hapiness and passion is in sales, fine go ahead. Not everyone is interested in sales, fyi.
Lets say we leave the money part aside, there's alot of success that one can achieve in VE. Personal developement, respect of family and peers and many more...
Futuremore, having lots of money is not wrong... Ppl respect you when you have money... It s how the world works...
Originally posted by redstone:
Why not, just try to get everyone u know in VE to stop working. Since most of them are students.
Why will having lots of downlines be a burden?
True, but other companies work based on salary. A basic monthly take home pay. Even if many people quit, the others will still receive their pay, unless of cos the company decides to cut their pay. however in MLM concept, you income depends solely on your downlines. When one guy quits, you lose a part of your potential income.
As I have stated before, in VE, the leaders are at the bottom carrying all his downline instead of the other way round... That s what true leadership is... The person have to groom the downline as a reliable entreprenuer, manager and such... And the person too, have to make sure that their downlines dont go astay...
Its actually the same thing... Even if an employee of the co, quit, the co. too lose a potential profit from him/her... In mlm, a person salary does depend on his downlines, similarly a company profit depends on his sales team etc...
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:Lets say we leave the money part aside, there's alot of success that one can achieve in VE. Personal developement, respect of family and peers and many more...
Futuremore, having lots of money is not wrong... Ppl respect you when you have money... It s how the world works...
Personally I dont interfering with ppl's ideas.
I believe that respect is earned, not made. Will people respect u for who u are, not for what u have? In a realist world, yes, everything is about money. But that's very shallow, but sadly the reality. True respect? U worked very hard, u have a good character, ethics and got your deserved salary. U've earned my respect. I salute you.
Some agents (not all), trick ppl, use hardsell, pressurising, etc. Even if they're millionaires, have huge houses, huge cars, I won't respect them.
All MLMs should change their tactics. As in life, not everyone will get what they want. Not everyone will achieve that "5 figure pay" some MLMs rave about. Not all will achieve that. Only a minority will. You might want to feedback to your uplines about this. In sales public image is very impt. No underhand, unethical tactics, no half lies.
Originally posted by redstone:
Personally I dont interfering with ppl's ideas.
I believe that respect is earned, not made. Will people respect u for who u are, not for what u have? In a realist world, yes, everything is about money. But that's very shallow, but sadly the reality. True respect? U worked very hard, u have a good character, ethics and got your deserved salary. U've earned my respect. I salute you.
Some agents (not all), trick ppl, use hardsell, pressurising, etc. Even if they're millionaires, have huge houses, huge cars, I won't respect them.
All MLMs should change their tactics. As in life, not everyone will get what they want. Not everyone will achieve that "5 figure pay" some MLMs rave about. Not all will achieve that. Only a minority will. You might want to feedback to your uplines about this. In sales public image is very impt. No underhand, unethical tactics, no half lies.
i do agree with you that respect is to be earned... Being in VE, its a tough journey, full of rejections... Having reached to a high position, going through lots of hardship, of course ppl will respect you for your experience and guts...
As you have said in your 2nd point, SOME agents not all... These unethical agents dont make it very far and then they quit and again, blaim it on the co. ...
The last point, I have to disagree... i believe that everyone has a chance in accomplishing something great in VE... Those who cant are the quitters...
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:Contact running out will be an impossibility... Ppl always make new friends, new relatives(family members married) and also there's referrals... Just need to learn how to do networking and one will have an abundance of ppl's contacts...
Of course at a certain position, one need not get the comission of their downline... It motivates the individual to work harder and not laze around and PURELY get commission of their downline at all times... So there's not much motive for the upline to be gd to the downline... Therefore, friendship in VE is sincere, not on some underlying motive...
Can you conclude your last point in a true mathematical analysis? It doesnt mean that one have not done it, it never will be... Look at the wright brothers story as an eg... Anyways, there are many overseas mlmers that earn 6 figure incomes every month...
Do more research boy, dont be too lazy and then callously make remarks baseless claims...
there would be a point where you get lesser and lesser people to sell..
the bulk of your income would rely on your downlines.
alright. when some one has 100 bgms under him den tell me there is not even 100 bgm in the entire VE right now..
uplines just rely on their downlines for cash.. thats all..
if you say that you dont rely on them for cash at all, kindly transfer them to other agents..
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
I didnt say that you couldnt deferentiate between whats right and wrong... I am sincerely giving my hand out to help you... You are just wraped into a blanket of hate towards VE now... You are not thinking rationally...Dont you want to achieve success in life? Better start young right?
OMG! Can you see what you are writing right now? Do you think that I am so naive as to even be convinced by your statements?
Yes, I hate VE coz of its unethical ways! That does not mean that I am not thinking rationally. For my wasted 3 months, I have seen VE's side, and there is no good side ok.
Why am even talking to you? you are too brainwshed!
I can achieve success and I can do it when I am young. But I know to do so, it's not with VE. Period!
Ok, wat i believe is not all people who join VE can be successful in VE. If u r the so thick skinned type, then maybe u can be the successful bunch of them like Mr Dewey, Mr Steven and alot more of them.....
When I joined VE, i thought i can be successful too... But saying is always easier than done. If u r willing to work the extra mile, making appoinments even at 4am, by all means go ahead.... A person in VE told me, in VE u can earn 20K in less than 6 mths... But that person has never achieve it til now... And still working til late hrs...
For me i'm thankful wif my current job. The money tat i earn including my bonus, i'm enable to save and reach closer to that amount in 12 mths. It might be a slower process but i achieved it.... But not the VE agent who told me earlier. Every person knows their own capabilities... If u think VE is your stepping stone towards success then go ahead, join the company... Be prepared for the obstacles ahead of u... For those who dun, no worries.. There's still plenty of opportunities out there...
Originally posted by curiousity84:Ok, wat i believe is not all people who join VE can be successful in VE. If u r the so thick skinned type, then maybe u can be the successful bunch of them like Mr Dewey, Mr Steven and alot more of them.....
When I joined VE, i thought i can be successful too... But saying is always easier than done. If u r willing to work the extra mile, making appoinments even at 4am, by all means go ahead.... A person in VE told me, in VE u can earn 20K in less than 6 mths... But that person has never achieve it til now... And still working til late hrs...
For me i'm thankful wif my current job. The money tat i earn including my bonus, i'm enable to save and reach closer to that amount in 12 mths. It might be a slower process but i achieved it.... But not the VE agent who told me earlier. Every person knows their own capabilities... If u think VE is your stepping stone towards success then go ahead, join the company... Be prepared for the obstacles ahead of u... For those who dun, no worries.. There's still plenty of opportunities out there...
yes. however the problem is that the agents themselves promise their downlines that they would definetely be successful as long as they work hard, which is very untrue..
Originally posted by elementalangel:yes. however the problem is that the agents themselves promise their downlines that they would definetely be successful as long as they work hard, which is very untrue..
Haha... I dunno abt that... What does it mean by working hard in VE context?
Success isn't all about money.
Respect is not what you have but what you do. Money? Respect? Its not how much money you have, its what you do with it which gains you true respect.
You're "rich", and spend all the money on cars, drinking, showing off, taking photos of yourself with notes of money? Respect? PUI. It's utterly shameless and useless. Donate money to charity, help the poor, stay humble? Now that's how one should act. See Gates and Buffett. They're very humble and low profile individuals.
Success = money? In the end of the day, you have a wallet full of money. But when ppl asks what had you achieved what are you going to say? "I've achieved $XXXX in sales?", "I've got XXX rank"?. Why are you in MLM in the first place. Are you truly interested in sales? Or is it purely for the money? Life in blind pursuit of money normally won't end up bringing true happiness.
What's most important in life is to pursue your true dream. Lets say there's no such thing in the world as money. What job will you do? Answer that and you've found yourself your true calling.
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
he has money, car and a good life...Many ppl admire & respect him... Most ppl would take a lifetime or will never achieve that level of success...
How many is your many? Whole VE? Whole SG?
Originally posted by huzane89:
OMG! Can you see what you are writing right now? Do you think that I am so naive as to even be convinced by your statements?Yes, I hate VE coz of its unethical ways! That does not mean that I am not thinking rationally. For my wasted 3 months, I have seen VE's side, and there is no good side ok.
Why am even talking to you? you are too brainwshed!
I can achieve success and I can do it when I am young. But I know to do so, it's not with VE. Period!
You may be as naive as the fools in here... I cant show you the light if you dont want to find it...
You cant hate VE due to the unethical ways that SOME agents work... You cant throw away a whole basket of good eggs because of a few rotten ones...
You are calling me brainwashed??? How about you listening to the losers here and following the "in" crowd?
You really think you can achieve success on your own at a young age? How about education? Do you have a Ph.D right now? Say you want to start you own business, how are you going to do so? You have no capital... Dont walk into the same illusion trap as elementalangel...
MLM is the way... But the best MLM co. is definitely VE... You want to achieve success at a young age, then you come to me...
Originally posted by redstone:Success isn't all about money.
Respect is not what you have but what you do. Money? Respect? Its not how much money you have, its what you do with it which gains you true respect.
You're "rich", and spend all the money on cars, drinking, showing off, taking photos of yourself with notes of money? Respect? PUI. It's utterly shameless and useless. Donate money to charity, help the poor, stay humble? Now that's how one should act. See Gates and Buffett. They're very humble and low profile individuals.
Success = money? In the end of the day, you have a wallet full of money. But when ppl asks what had you achieved what are you going to say? "I've achieved $XXXX in sales?", "I've got XXX rank"?. Why are you in MLM in the first place. Are you truly interested in sales? Or is it purely for the money? Life in blind pursuit of money normally won't end up bringing true happiness.
What's most important in life is to pursue your true dream. Lets say there's no such thing in the world as money. What job will you do? Answer that and you've found yourself your true calling.
I do agree with you that success is not ALL about money... But wouldnt it be great if you have extra money for your family?
As you've mentioned above, gates and buffet are low-profilers... Would you know if the actually 'play' around?
Please be realistic... People always want to achieve their dreams... Who doesnt... Its either the dream is achievable or not... If you can be happy and dream of becoming the king of the world, then you too know the answer...
Are you sure not having lots of money will be easier on you and your family... In many cases, lots of money = lots of friends and 1-2 loyal friends that help you along the way or not enough money = not many friends and 1-2 loyal friends = a lot of worrying over money problems... You choose...
For me, my true calling is sales and with MLM system, I can do better as i too can share my passion with my downlines... Its a win-win situation...
Originally posted by elementalangel:yes. however the problem is that the agents themselves promise their downlines that they would definetely be successful as long as they work hard, which is very untrue..
work hard = success
Originally posted by Midlusionz:How many is your many? Whole VE? Whole SG?
family members, friends, VE personnels.... Except those who are envious of him of course...
If friends choose to be with you cos of your money then you've got a problem. Let say one day you go bankrupt, u'll lose all your so called friends.
lol whitesoulreaper is actually very very brain washed.. he thinks that he is doing all the right things and everyone else is wrong.. haha
what she does not know is that her relatives are the ones losing out.. and not a win-win situation he made out to be
If his passion is in mlm i've got nothing to say. But ideas that money is most important, money = success is something mlms brainwash into u.
I've heard some pretty interesting crap from a EY agent's desperate efforts to recruit me.
Originally posted by redstone:If his passion is in mlm i've got nothing to say. But ideas that money is most important, money = success is something mlms brainwash into u.
I've heard some pretty interesting crap from a EY agent's desperate efforts to recruit me.
kind to share the crap? is it like what whitesoulreaper do to huzane?
Originally posted by elementalangel:kind to share the crap? is it like what whitesoulreaper do to huzane?
She said stuff like:
In this world where got place for interest job
U'll never make it. Your field is hopeless
I'm gonna retire early, see you
Y work for others when u can work for yourself
Financial freedom
I can help you
Start your own biz
Some i forgot liao. Hehe.
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:Lets say we leave the money part aside, there's alot of success that one can achieve in VE. Personal developement, respect of family and peers and many more...
Futuremore, having lots of money is not wrong... Ppl respect you when you have money... It s how the world works...
Hi WSR,
What was your initial intention in selling the products to those person that you know? Was it to benefit the person, so that they will be in good health? If given a chance, would you let them have the product at a cheaper price (or rather as cheap as possible)? Or would you still think that i should be given "referral fee" for introducing such product to you. To put it simply, do u agree that what you earn is actually from the person pocket? Of course, it's too grey an area to say that it's wrong. I won't say that it's wrong. You are in control of the price now. You can choose to lower the price, even to the extent whereby you don earn anything (or best still, to get the product over the net), so that the person will have the "maximum" benefit (or rather the person will have less to lose). Would you do so?
No doubt, mlm is a great way of earning money. But i'm certain that you're aware that where your money come from. Money don't just appear... It comes from somebody pocket, and that somebody may have worked extremely hard for it. Take a look around you when you go into a shopping or food centre the next time round. (Maybe those who are cleaning the tables, i admit i'm stating the extreme case). If you say that you would lower the price to those you know very well, your families and relatives, i believe your downlines would also want to do so. Because they have feelings for their family members... Would u cut your commission for them? Or u would choose to sell them at the price...
If the above two are to occur, where will your "salary" comes from? So... what's your choice? And maybe knowing that, we can then discuss about the respect and other stuffs.
P.S If given a choice, i believe all of us would agree that cashiers (salaried workers without commission) working in NTUC will want to lower the price of the goods, but they do not have the power to do so.