Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Except those who are envious of him of course...Come on, U gotta try harder.. That's the line that most MLM personnel use.
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Originally posted by redstone:
If friends choose to be with you cos of your money then you've got a problem. Let say one day you go bankrupt, u'll lose all your so called friends.
since when are we talking about friends? of course there are those friends that's with you when you are happy and there are those true friends thats with you regardless of your condition... No need to tell me these kind of logical stuff... -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
lol whitesoulreaper is actually very very brain washed.. he thinks that he is doing all the right things and everyone else is wrong.. haha
what she does not know is that her relatives are the ones losing out.. and not a win-win situation he made out to be
lol elementalangel,once someone disagrees with you, you call them brainwashed... That's so smart of you... Kudos for your immaturity! =)
how is it that my relatives are losing out? The product is beneficial for them... Most of the time i sacrifice my commission so that they could have the product for you... And so far all of them gave me good testimonial on the products that they have purchased...
I only take commission from those whom the refer to me... My relatives have a beneficial item, and i can have better sleep at night... Win-win situation...
Unlike you, .. Dont benefit relatives with anything, at the same time, burn your parents money...
P.S. How come your ad havent come out yet?
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Originally posted by redstone:
If his passion is in mlm i've got nothing to say. But ideas that money is most important, money = success is something mlms brainwash into u.
I've heard some pretty interesting crap from a EY agent's desperate efforts to recruit me.
i didnt mention that money is the most important...
1st family
2nd friends
3rd money
Are you denying that money is not important?
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
kind to share the crap? is it like what whitesoulreaper do to huzane?
oh come on elementalangel,something that you dont understand = crap
that's very baby-ish of you...
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Originally posted by OneStar:
Hi WSR,
What was your initial intention in selling the products to those person that you know? Was it to benefit the person, so that they will be in good health? If given a chance, would you let them have the product at a cheaper price (or rather as cheap as possible)? Or would you still think that i should be given "referral fee" for introducing such product to you. To put it simply, do u agree that what you earn is actually from the person pocket? Of course, it's too grey an area to say that it's wrong. I won't say that it's wrong. You are in control of the price now. You can choose to lower the price, even to the extent whereby you don earn anything (or best still, to get the product over the net), so that the person will have the "maximum" benefit (or rather the person will have less to lose). Would you do so?
No doubt, mlm is a great way of earning money. But i'm certain that you're aware that where your money come from. Money don't just appear... It comes from somebody pocket, and that somebody may have worked extremely hard for it. Take a look around you when you go into a shopping or food centre the next time round. (Maybe those who are cleaning the tables, i admit i'm stating the extreme case). If you say that you would lower the price to those you know very well, your families and relatives, i believe your downlines would also want to do so. Because they have feelings for their family members... Would u cut your commission for them? Or u would choose to sell them at the price...
If the above two are to occur, where will your "salary" comes from? So... what's your choice? And maybe knowing that, we can then discuss about the respect and other stuffs.
P.S If given a choice, i believe all of us would agree that cashiers (salaried workers without commission) working in NTUC will want to lower the price of the goods, but they do not have the power to do so.
Hi one star,i am in mlm, so i know where the money comes from... Of course from the consumer... Isnt where money comes from for ALL businesses regrardless of mlm or not...(You post is so long just to ask me 1 point?)
I dont take in commission from the people I know of. As I have stated in a post above, i profit my commission from their referrals...
As an mlm entreprenuer, I can only lower my product to a certain price,.. Which is I dont take in my commission... But I dont do this for all my customers...
P.S. People always want things cheap, if can they want it free... Its the human nature... Dont just mention salaried workers, its everyone... If its sold at $1, ppl will complain for price decrease to 50 cents... If its 50 cents, ppl would want it to be decreased to 10 cents... You get my point?
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Come on, U gotta try harder.. That's the line that most MLM personnel use.
try harder for what? to persuade you?come on... If one isnt envious of a successful person, most likely they would be indifferent to them...
Seeing so many ppl who bad mouth successful mlm entreprenuers, seems to me that most of you are envious....
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
try harder for what? to persuade you?come on... If one isnt envious of a successful person, most likely they would be indifferent to them...
Seeing so many ppl who bad mouth successful mlm entreprenuers, seems to me that most of you are envious....
Nah, i do not envy them. Most of Mr raymond downline left when i was ard .. Hmm that's when its located at Tanjong pagar .. Let's just said the market in SG aint good for MLM.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Nah, i do not envy them. Most of Mr raymond downline left when i was ard .. Hmm that's when its located at Tanjong pagar .. Let's just said the market in SG aint good for MLM.
that was then... most of them are quitters... no point having quitters as downlines....at least now, he has filtered his downlines and most of them are doing very well...
so you quit? doesnt that make you a quitter, doesnt that make you a loser?
So you quit, move on... no point bad mouthing VE... so you failed, you want everyone else to fail?
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
that was then... most of them are quitters... no point having quitters as downlines....at least now, he has filtered his downlines and most of them are doing very well...
so you quit? doesnt that make you a quitter, doesnt that make you a loser?
So you quit, move on... no point bad mouthing VE... so you failed, you want everyone else to fail?
HmmSo his downlines come and go after he got enough outta them? Of cos i quit .. I cant stand someone nagging by my ear to ask mi to client listing almost everyday .. So quitting VE = loser? U must be kidding. Can i ask u a question? Which year u got into VE?
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
HmmSo his downlines come and go after he got enough outta them? Of cos i quit .. I cant stand someone nagging by my ear to ask mi to client asking almost everyday .. So quitting VE = loser? U must be kidding. Can i ask u a question? Which year u got into VE?
Pls dont put words into my mouth... Most of the ones that quit can barely do sales...If you know that your sales is not good, why bother joining VE in the first place? To you it may seems nagging, but to them, its pushing you to do your best... Like parents asking their stubborn children to study...
Quitting = loser... Regardless of VE or not... Once you quit means you have not given it all you got... In reality, there's only a winner and a loser... There's nothing in between... Winners are those who would rather be 'knocked-up' by competition and losers are those who quit... Its pretty simple...
ANyways, I quote one sentence from the previous post from donald trump...
I joined this year...
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Yes! Finally Achieve my CAR INCENTIVE!
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Pls dont put words into my mouth... Most of the ones that quit can barely do sales...If you know that your sales is not good, why bother joining VE in the first place? To you it may seems nagging, but to them, its pushing you to do your best... Like parents asking their stubborn children to study...
Quitting = loser... Regardless of VE or not... Once you quit means you have not given it all you got... In reality, there's only a winner and a loser... There's nothing in between... Winners are those who would rather be 'knocked-up' by competition and losers are those who quit... Its pretty simple...
ANyways, I quote one sentence from the previous post from donald trump...
I joined this year...
Sales.. So VE is about being a salesman and salesgirl? Ok to be fair and not to sterotype anything .. I joined ard 2001 and my upline and his whole team left together because of one reason... He only help those who got potential buyers in getting the queen sized magnet mattress .. And in turn when there's no sales he will said why aint u doing anything? yada yada .. Well, i do not blame him anyway .. At least i learn something thru this experience..
Donald trump .. hmm interesting .. Quitting in life yes a loser but hey qutting from something doesnt deem u fail in life and ya assuming aint good in this aspect.
Well, at that time there was only Ion water, VE's magnet matress and some magnetic thingy and in order for MLM to be successful .. The company must have an unique product of their own and a unique business plan. At least this is wat i learn from Robert Kiyosaki's book.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Sales.. So VE is about being a salesman and salesgirl? Ok to be fair and not to sterotype anything .. I joined ard 2001 and my upline and his whole team left together because of one reason... He only help those who got potential buyers in getting the queen sized magnet mattress .. And in turn when there's no sales he will said why aint u doing anything? yada yada .. Well, i do not blame him anyway .. At least i learn something thru this experience..
Donald trump .. hmm interesting .. Quitting in life yes a loser but hey qutting from something doesnt deem u fail in life and ya assuming aint good in this aspect.
Well, at that time there was only Ion water, VE's magnet matress and some magnetic thingy and in order for MLM to be successful .. The company must have an unique product of their own and a unique business plan. At least this is wat i learn from Robert Kiyosaki's book.
huh? salespeople?
MLM in general need people who can do sales... Not just sales of products, but also sales of image and presentation for business plan for doing recruitment etc.
I believe if you didnt get a sale means that you didnt work hard enough to get the sale... means 1-2 times, give up on potential buyer...
Well, I apologise if there is any misunderstanding... When I say quitter = loser doesnt mean that you're a failure in everything... You maybe a failure in VE, but you could be a good parent etc...
I believe that the ionic calcium id very unique,.. Due to the fact that its the only one sold in singapore... and in s-e asia..
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
huh? salespeople?
MLM in general need people who can do sales... Not just sales of products, but also sales of image and presentation for business plan for doing recruitment etc.
I believe if you didnt get a sale means that you didnt work hard enough to get the sale... means 1-2 times, give up on potential buyer...
Well, I apologise if there is any misunderstanding... When I say quitter = loser doesnt mean that you're a failure in everything... You maybe a failure in VE, but you could be a good parent etc...
I believe that the ionic calcium id very unique,.. Due to the fact that its the only one sold in singapore... and in s-e asia..
During the stay in VE during the period .. They been pushing the mattress but not the ionic calcium ya.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
During the stay in VE during the period .. They been pushing the mattress but not the ionic calcium ya.
hmmm... guess thats what happened to you... -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
hmmm... guess thats what happened to you...For my upline and my downline team .. Mr raymond always want us to push for the mattress .. The ionic calcium indeed is special but oh well.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
For my upline and my downline team .. Mr raymond always want us to push for the mattress .. The ionic calcium indeed is special but oh well.
oh well, that was back then.... -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
You may be as naive as the fools in here... I cant show you the light if you dont want to find it...
You cant hate VE due to the unethical ways that SOME agents work... You cant throw away a whole basket of good eggs because of a few rotten ones...
You are calling me brainwashed??? How about you listening to the losers here and following the "in" crowd?
You really think you can achieve success on your own at a young age? How about education? Do you have a Ph.D right now? Say you want to start you own business, how are you going to do so? You have no capital... Dont walk into the same illusion trap as elementalangel...
MLM is the way... But the best MLM co. is definitely VE... You want to achieve success at a young age, then you come to me...
the thing is, i didn;t see just 1 or 2 VE ppl that uses unethical & manipulative tactics. It's the seniors that teach all theLIES! Everyone below would follow. I didn't listen to the ppl here. I experienced it. And I think the people here too had their own negative experience with VE. Your third point is a typical VE tactic, try to put down something that can be achieved without MLM. And Elementalangel, I hope you do well to prove this B!TCH wrong!MLM is one way and many is abusing it! It's NOT the only way!
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
i didnt mention that money is the most important...
1st family
2nd friends
3rd money
Are you denying that money is not important?
If I can exchange all my money for true happiness, I'm willing to. :) -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Pls dont put words into my mouth... Most of the ones that quit can barely do sales...If you know that your sales is not good, why bother joining VE in the first place? To you it may seems nagging, but to them, its pushing you to do your best... Like parents asking their stubborn children to study...
Quitting = loser... Regardless of VE or not... Once you quit means you have not given it all you got... In reality, there's only a winner and a loser... There's nothing in between... Winners are those who would rather be 'knocked-up' by competition and losers are those who quit... Its pretty simple...
ANyways, I quote one sentence from the previous post from donald trump...
I joined this year...
True... I've met some MLMers who barely know their stuff, even "managers" who appear so unconfident.
What if you feel that your future in a certain job (VE, MLM, any job), can't give you the future you want, and that you've misjudged the occupation before you joined? Will u still tahan til the end or leave for brighter jobs? -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
oh well, that was back then....wow car incentive in 5 mths. or maybe 4. should really check this out wif my frens in VE
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
lol elementalangel,once someone disagrees with you, you call them brainwashed... That's so smart of you... Kudos for your immaturity! =)
how is it that my relatives are losing out? The product is beneficial for them... Most of the time i sacrifice my commission so that they could have the product for you... And so far all of them gave me good testimonial on the products that they have purchased...
I only take commission from those whom the refer to me... My relatives have a beneficial item, and i can have better sleep at night... Win-win situation...
Unlike you, .. Dont benefit relatives with anything, at the same time, burn your parents money...
P.S. How come your ad havent come out yet?
alright. i shall list all of your contradictions
one by one ok?
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firstly, you claim that you had earned your 10k+ 2 months back, i have recently checked that you claimed that you joined your VE during 3.5 months before may 05. which makes it january 15 or so. you have lied that you were not in VE at that point of time .
that proves your credibility.
and even if you had joined only at 22 feb or so. which is not the case as you claimed that you are not yet in VE at that time. it took you exactly if not less than 5 months to achieve the car incentive.
and it means that it would only take you one month to climb your way to bm or bgm whichever it is.blatent lies from you.
that guy you sued. i believe he is actually a clone as
1) you did not sue him as the judge would make him give a public apology at the forums at least,
2) its impossible for you to get the ip address as sgforums did not release it to you.
P.S. I dont believe in magnetic therapy no matter how hard my seniors try to convince me that it works. So, I dont sell it.
you dont sell magnetic mattress pads so its almost impossible for you to sell so much to be bm/bgm in one month or close to 2 months.
gtg out. bb nxt tiem den tell the rest. you contradicted too many times -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Yes! Finally Achieve my CAR INCENTIVE!
Hey WSR..
U damn sure or not u achieve ur car incentive oredi...?? U joined this yr in 2008 and it just takes u 7 mths to achieve it...? Who r u trying to kid...? Old timers in VE also took years to achieve tat... Unless u tell me u got ur sugarmummy or ur sugardaddy to pump large amount of money in ur sales... Then maybe possible... But still i feel is impossible... 7 mths to achieve it is totally crap...
Cos from wat i know, u haf to be a BM and to achive the car incentives there's 3 cycle u haf to go through and each cycle took u 3 mths... To be a BM, it will take u time also, dun mention abt the car incentives.
I think ah people like u r a disgrace not only to the company but also to the nation... U wanna defend VE, but i think u've make the name of VE even more disrespectful... WELL DONE!