Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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Originally posted by curiousity84:
Hey WSR..
U damn sure or not u achieve ur car incentive oredi...?? U joined this yr in 2008 and it just takes u 7 mths to achieve it...? Who r u trying to kid...? Old timers in VE also took years to achieve tat... Unless u tell me u got ur sugarmummy or ur sugardaddy to pump large amount of money in ur sales... Then maybe possible... But still i feel is impossible... 7 mths to achieve it is totally crap...
Cos from wat i know, u haf to be a BM and to achive the car incentives there's 3 cycle u haf to go through and each cycle took u 3 mths... To be a BM, it will take u time also, dun mention abt the car incentives.
I think ah people like u r a disgrace not only to the company but also to the nation... U wanna defend VE, but i think u've make the name of VE even more disrespectful... WELL DONE!
i have done calculations he is there for a maximum of 5 months, and min of 4 months. so 1 month to be bm.. what a blatent lie
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Hi one star,i am in mlm, so i know where the money comes from... Of course from the consumer... Isnt where money comes from for ALL businesses regrardless of mlm or not...(You post is so long just to ask me 1 point?)
I dont take in commission from the people I know of. As I have stated in a post above, i profit my commission from their referrals...
As an mlm entreprenuer, I can only lower my product to a certain price,.. Which is I dont take in my commission... But I dont do this for all my customers...
P.S. People always want things cheap, if can they want it free... Its the human nature... Dont just mention salaried workers, its everyone... If its sold at $1, ppl will complain for price decrease to 50 cents... If its 50 cents, ppl would want it to be decreased to 10 cents... You get my point?
Giving benefit of doubt, I believe there's someone who could have done it in VE. When i was inside for 2 weeks, i heard of a girl who got into bm in just 7 or 10 days. I joined around April 25th.
WSR, that only point was extremely important. If u agree with me, the 'salary' that you have got would be from those who have bought the products from you.
You chose not to lower the price when you could have.
So you are still considered to be like a sales(wo)man.
If you had not taken any commission, or the commission was actually negligible, would you then recommend the product since the product is (or claim to be) good?
You will is most probably the answer that you will give.
But you're a little selfish towards other people aren't you? People got to pay u commission for knowing and buying the product. -.- hmm... seems weird.
So let's say if elementalangel could get a matterress (sorry don't know how to spell) at a lower price than VE over the internet, can you help EA to sell the matterress (they are of the same quality) ? I believe EA don't mind you earning $50 commission over the queen size matterress.
Lastly, i shall put it in a more direct way.
I mean to say, because you're getting a commission out of the product that you're not willing to lower the price of the product when you have the power of selling it at a lower price. If you're a salaried worker for VE, you would have chose to lower the price but you may not have the authority to do so. It has nothing to do with people always want things cheap. (Both ideas are different, i am looking at the one who is selling).
so... there isn't much that you did actually to earn that amount of sum, i wonder where does the respect comes from? If you had indeed earn a lot, it just simply means that A LOT of people bought the "health product" from you at a higher price, where there is actually a way to get the product at a much lower price. Why not simply decrease the profit margin? Why must VE people earn so much from the product? I doubt you are really helping your clients...
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Originally posted by OneStar:
Giving benefit of doubt, I believe there's someone who could have done it in VE. When i was inside for 2 weeks, i heard of a girl who got into bm in just 7 or 10 days. I joined around April 25th.
WSR, that only point was extremely important. If u agree with me, the 'salary' that you have got would be from those who have bought the products from you.
You chose not to lower the price when you could have.
So you are still considered to be like a sales(wo)man.
If you had not taken any commission, or the commission was actually negligible, would you then recommend the product since the product is (or claim to be) good?
You will is most probably the answer that you will give.
But you're a little selfish towards other people aren't you? People got to pay u commission for knowing and buying the product. -.- hmm... seems weird.
So let's say if elementalangel could get a matterress (sorry don't know how to spell) at a lower price than VE over the internet, can you help EA to sell the matterress (they are of the same quality) ? I believe EA don't mind you earning $50 commission over the queen size matterress.
Lastly, i shall put it in a more direct way.
I mean to say, because you're getting a commission out of the product that you're not willing to lower the price of the product when you have the power of selling it at a lower price. If you're a salaried worker for VE, you would have chose to lower the price but you may not have the authority to do so. It has nothing to do with people always want things cheap. (Both ideas are different, i am looking at the one who is selling).
so... there isn't much that you did actually to earn that amount of sum, i wonder where does the respect comes from? If you had indeed earn a lot, it just simply means that A LOT of people bought the "health product" from you at a higher price, where there is actually a way to get the product at a much lower price. Why not simply decrease the profit margin? Why must VE people earn so much from the product? I doubt you are really helping your clients...
this WSR contradicts so much, he does not even know what he is talking about...
its either she/he has a sugar daddy to achieve that amt in 7 days... btw u know how to be bm anot? u need 3 mm under u.. how to train 3 mm in 7days??!?!?! or even 1 month which is impossible -
Let's just give him the benifit of doubt..
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Originally posted by OneStar:
Giving benefit of doubt, I believe there's someone who could have done it in VE. When i was inside for 2 weeks, i heard of a girl who got into bm in just 7 or 10 days. I joined around April 25th.
WSR, that only point was extremely important. If u agree with me, the 'salary' that you have got would be from those who have bought the products from you.
You chose not to lower the price when you could have.
So you are still considered to be like a sales(wo)man.
If you had not taken any commission, or the commission was actually negligible, would you then recommend the product since the product is (or claim to be) good?
You will is most probably the answer that you will give.
But you're a little selfish towards other people aren't you? People got to pay u commission for knowing and buying the product. -.- hmm... seems weird.
So let's say if elementalangel could get a matterress (sorry don't know how to spell) at a lower price than VE over the internet, can you help EA to sell the matterress (they are of the same quality) ? I believe EA don't mind you earning $50 commission over the queen size matterress.
Lastly, i shall put it in a more direct way.
I mean to say, because you're getting a commission out of the product that you're not willing to lower the price of the product when you have the power of selling it at a lower price. If you're a salaried worker for VE, you would have chose to lower the price but you may not have the authority to do so. It has nothing to do with people always want things cheap. (Both ideas are different, i am looking at the one who is selling).
so... there isn't much that you did actually to earn that amount of sum, i wonder where does the respect comes from? If you had indeed earn a lot, it just simply means that A LOT of people bought the "health product" from you at a higher price, where there is actually a way to get the product at a much lower price. Why not simply decrease the profit margin? Why must VE people earn so much from the product? I doubt you are really helping your clients...
I know of someone who achieved MM in one day. When asked to share, she talk about how she manage to close her parents. If you have rich parents or friends, BM in 7 days should be no problem. I want to know if VE agents are allow to give discounts to customers? I thought it's not allowed by VE top management as this will spoil market. Or things has changed? -
Originally posted by Peaceman85:
I know of someone who achieved MM in one day. When asked to share, she talk about how she manage to close her parents. If you have rich parents or friends, BM in 7 days should be no problem. I want to know if VE agents are allow to give discounts to customers? I thought it's not allowed by VE top management as this will spoil market. Or things has changed?in order to be a bm u need 3 mms under u. so its quite impossible unless you have rich parents willing to be your downline after u turn to a mm
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Originally posted by huzane89:
the thing is, i didn;t see just 1 or 2 VE ppl that uses unethical & manipulative tactics. It's the seniors that teach all theLIES! Everyone below would follow. I didn't listen to the ppl here. I experienced it. And I think the people here too had their own negative experience with VE. Your third point is a typical VE tactic, try to put down something that can be achieved without MLM. And Elementalangel, I hope you do well to prove this B!TCH wrong!MLM is one way and many is abusing it! It's NOT the only way!
I dont know which company you are talking about... Surely it's not VE... VE don't teach all the nonsense you just mentioned... We are taught to care for our consumer...
Be careful, someone was sued by me for calling me a B***H... And I won, so you better watch out for what you say... I could let it go if you come and have some coffee with me or something... No harm done...
MLM is the ONLY way for YOU... First of all you are still very young, and second of all, you have not much money for capital... You should think wisely...
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To elementalangel and curiousity84,
yes, I have achieved my car incentive... It's not that difficult, but it's a lot of hardwork... Fortunately for me, I attract the right people as my downlines...
Curiousity84, those old timers would have a hard time compared to mine is because, last time, it's more difficult to sell the products compared to now... And those old timers were experimenting... For me, I have learnt a lot of things to do and not to do from my seniors and from best selling sales, mlm, self improvement books...
Elementalangel, how come I am not surprised by you... You got so 'worked up' when i got my car incentive... 1st of all, I am good at sales, 2ndly, I attact hardworking and street smart downlines... It's not difficult to actually get to my level... For you maybe, but for me, it wasn't that bad...
here's how I progressed in VE,
3 days MM
12 days BM
120 days car achiever...
I dont have rich parents, but I have a sincere heart for my customers, that is why they buy from me... That paganist loser definitely not my 'clone'.... He won't show his face here anymore, don't want to get sued again... hahaha...
P.S. A good leader, attracts other good leaders...
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Originally posted by OneStar:
Giving benefit of doubt, I believe there's someone who could have done it in VE. When i was inside for 2 weeks, i heard of a girl who got into bm in just 7 or 10 days. I joined around April 25th.
WSR, that only point was extremely important. If u agree with me, the 'salary' that you have got would be from those who have bought the products from you.
You chose not to lower the price when you could have.
So you are still considered to be like a sales(wo)man.
If you had not taken any commission, or the commission was actually negligible, would you then recommend the product since the product is (or claim to be) good?
You will is most probably the answer that you will give.
But you're a little selfish towards other people aren't you? People got to pay u commission for knowing and buying the product. -.- hmm... seems weird.
So let's say if elementalangel could get a matterress (sorry don't know how to spell) at a lower price than VE over the internet, can you help EA to sell the matterress (they are of the same quality) ? I believe EA don't mind you earning $50 commission over the queen size matterress.
Lastly, i shall put it in a more direct way.
I mean to say, because you're getting a commission out of the product that you're not willing to lower the price of the product when you have the power of selling it at a lower price. If you're a salaried worker for VE, you would have chose to lower the price but you may not have the authority to do so. It has nothing to do with people always want things cheap. (Both ideas are different, i am looking at the one who is selling).
so... there isn't much that you did actually to earn that amount of sum, i wonder where does the respect comes from? If you had indeed earn a lot, it just simply means that A LOT of people bought the "health product" from you at a higher price, where there is actually a way to get the product at a much lower price. Why not simply decrease the profit margin? Why must VE people earn so much from the product? I doubt you are really helping your clients...
Yes, I know that my profit comes from my consumers... All businesses is the same, or else where is the profit?Please read up again on my previous post to you...
I DID lower down the price of the product as I can, you should know too that I do not have the authority to lower the price to an extend to where I would getting a negative profit...
After reading your posts again, I realised that your writing and language style and the way you rebuttle is the same as Elementalangel... GOSH! you are elementalangel's clone...
P.S. No one here really mentioned about Elementalangels 'business plans' for selling the mattress except for you! No way I'll help elementalangel to sell his mattress... i dont help people that I know are sure to fail... It's you! =)
one more thing, don't make it so obvious la... You just created that account and only posts in VE thread...
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
I........
Be careful, someone was sued by me for calling me a B***H... And I won, so you better watch out for what you say... I could let it go if you come and have some coffee with me or something... No harm done...
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how much did you win?
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Originally posted by airgrinder:
how much did you win?
I mentioned before in one of my previous post... Got 10K out of him plus the legal fees... -
Is there a Steven Ho there?
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Originally posted by airgrinder:
Is there a Steven Ho there?
Steven Ho is still in VE... Were you under him? -
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Steven Ho is still in VE... Were you under him?nope. never been to ur company. Was only acquainted to him.
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Originally posted by airgrinder:
nope. never been to ur company. Was only acquainted to him.
If you are free, i can show you around... -
btw i dont even know the OneStar. and u still havnt answered my qn about you lying about your time in VE. read your posts. at march you were still not in. then u said that u have been in for 3.5 months about 1 or 2 months later.
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Soulreaper:
Lets say you found out that the current job you're in, be it mlm or any job, isn't suitable for you, would you quit? Or tahan to the end? Stop intimidating people. You give them confidence when they join ve, but degrade people who leave the company?
Care for consumer. Hmm. Few years ago I was subjected to "holding back" tactics and was tricked down. I hope VE had changed for the better now,
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Yes, I know that my profit comes from my consumers... All businesses is the same, or else where is the profit?Please read up again on my previous post to you...
I DID lower down the price of the product as I can, you should know too that I do not have the authority to lower the price to an extend to where I would getting a negative profit...
After reading your posts again, I realised that your writing and language style and the way you rebuttle is the same as Elementalangel... GOSH! you are elementalangel's clone...
P.S. No one here really mentioned about Elementalangels 'business plans' for selling the mattress except for you! No way I'll help elementalangel to sell his mattress... i dont help people that I know are sure to fail... It's you! =)
one more thing, don't make it so obvious la... You just created that account and only posts in VE thread...
Haix,
*I'm yixing then. Ask Jasmine, Jessie or Alvin about me. Can i assume that you couldn't figure a way to 'correctly' answer my question that you treat me as EA's clone (and your tone seems a little inappropriate).
"I DID lower down the price of the product as I can, you should know too that I do not have the authority to lower the price to an extend to where I would getting a negative profit..."
You have *admitted that you do have the choice of lowering the price just that you will get a negative profit. If EA model is successful, i supposed he'll sell at 40 to 50% of the price VE is selling, *and you can still get a 'decent commission' if you sell it at 50% or 60% of the price VE is selling (Assuming 100% is equivalent to the price SA got to sell).
And if you wonder why i recommended EA model is because *there isn't a need for you to climb rank and therefore even a SA (or rather just joined people can sell it at a cheap price). *don't you think that it's quite senseless that you can only sell cheaper when you're of a higher rank?
I do agree that all business must earn. (my very first post on sgforums had even argued on that). But to earn by such a margin?
And you seems to be quite focus on your profits rather than the help you can bring to clients.
If you still think that it's alright for you to get so much commission, by all means go ahead. I'll treat it as i lose this argument. It's not so much of my problem anyway. As long as it doesn't affect the people around me.
Hmm... if they want to check contact number 90218598 will be mine.
Oh unless, u want to argue that EA is also yixing. =)
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Yes, I know that my profit comes from my consumers... All businesses is the same, or else where is the profit?Please read up again on my previous post to you...
I DID lower down the price of the product as I can, you should know too that I do not have the authority to lower the price to an extend to where I would getting a negative profit...
After reading your posts again, I realised that your writing and language style and the way you rebuttle is the same as Elementalangel... GOSH! you are elementalangel's clone...
P.S. No one here really mentioned about Elementalangels 'business plans' for selling the mattress except for you! No way I'll help elementalangel to sell his mattress... i dont help people that I know are sure to fail... It's you! =)
one more thing, don't make it so obvious la... You just created that account and only posts in VE thread...
And to add,
"I DID lower down the price of the product as I can",
you wrote before that you didn't lower the price for your referrals and thus i state that you do have the choice to lower the price for them
"i dont help people that I know are sure to fail"
this is your perception... sure-fail? lol... i do really wonder if it is so.
"After reading your posts again, I realised that your writing and language style and the way you rebuttle is the same as Elementalangel... GOSH! you are elementalangel's clone..."
"gosh!" the tone, hmm... i'm quite sad though to be assume to be EA. When you've made this assumption, you lose the ability to argue in a just manner.
WSR, can you help ask your friend (i'll accept even if they're from mlm) whether did i write logically on all the previous post i've written, or whether it's plain nonsense.
I'm fine if my arguments are rejected. Moreover you need to have the belief and conviction to keep on working in this line. You can choose just to belief in the system. Moreover it's just the money "lost" by your clients, they will earn back eventually. I hope that you'll try your best in not straining those clients having financial difficulty.
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
btw i dont even know the OneStar. and u still havnt answered my qn about you lying about your time in VE. read your posts. at march you were still not in. then u said that u have been in for 3.5 months about 1 or 2 months later.
Oh please, why the hell should I answer to you? You are a nobody... -
Originally posted by redstone:
Soulreaper:
Lets say you found out that the current job you're in, be it mlm or any job, isn't suitable for you, would you quit? Or tahan to the end? Stop intimidating people. You give them confidence when they join ve, but degrade people who leave the company?
Care for consumer. Hmm. Few years ago I was subjected to "holding back" tactics and was tricked down. I hope VE had changed for the better now,
ok, if you are unhappy with VE, you quit... You are more happy after you quit... People in VE say that you are a quitter...Come on... Does it really matter what VE people think of you? If you think that you are happy after leaving VE, then so be it...
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Oh please, why the hell should I answer to you? You are a nobody...
lmao... ur lies are exposed. den u dun wanna answer... lolwhat a joke.
u were in there even earlier than u started posting in thsi forum. dont worry. i am sure this has much to say about your credibility
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Sorry OneStar I dont entertaint clones... Initially, I thought that you are your own individual, as I have said before, after reading your posts, language and the way you rebuttle, its the exactly same as elementalangel...
One Point that convinced me is that you like to ask me question that I have already answered, same as elementalangel...
FIY,
Co. price = $1
My commission = $0.40.
I can lower the price to $1 whereas I have no commission... If I lower the price again, it would be from my pocket already... You get my point? I have said this many times elementalangel, or OneStar... It doesnt matter, you're the same...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
lmao... ur lies are exposed. den u dun wanna answer... lolwhat a joke.
u were in there even earlier than u started posting in thsi forum. dont worry. i am sure this has much to say about your credibility
Whatever elementalangel, at least I have a new car... What do you have? Debts from your disasterous 'business'? Didnt see your poster ad le?
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Whatever elementalangel, at least I have a new car... What do you have? Debts from your disasterous 'business'? Didnt see your poster ad le?
hmm since u admitted u are lying , u have totally no credibility and thus we can assume that all that u have said are lies.