Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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oh well most are dishonest any way. look at white soul reaper. lying about when she got into VE.
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Sorry for the late reply... I was on vacation to taiwan...
Oh please elementalangel, when you are in doubt or clueless about somthing, you call people liars... Dont you think that you should learn how to crawl already? Big babies aint cute you know...
I did average up to what you said... Dont you think its too much of a coincidence that when you quote 3-4 months, I averaged it to 3.5 months? You should have seen the pattern before accusing people... What a sore loser you are...
Believe what you want... You are just a NOBODY... It's already good enough for you that I am entertaining you right now... Oh yeah... Still waiting on your 'business plan'... How come to this date, I havent seen your ad at VE bus stop? Suck your parents' money dry?
Elementalangel = say so much , but no action...
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Originally posted by redstone:
Calling people who leave as quitters and loser? So that's how many mlms get ppl to stay. Like blackmail
You are so funny... Those in MLM are passionate in what they are doing... Have you heard of the quote, " Great minds think a like."... It's pretty natural that if you dont think a like, you are out of the group...Even if I call you a loser for leaving VE, so what?
How is it like blackmail? By having this mindset, are VE entreprenuers extorting money? If a person wants to leave is because they lose interest, motivation or whatever... No point keeping them at the office, they wont do anything... So what's the point wasting time with them?
P.S. Once you join the losers, you become one...
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So why lable people who think VE is not right for them "losers"?
Why can't you wish them well rather than call them losers, as if they'll never do anything right.
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yep no action at all.. =( better than a liar.. who expects us to believe that he is actually averaging everythign up. so you joined VE on 28 feb?
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Originally posted by redstone:
So why lable people who think VE is not right for them "losers"?
Why can't you wish them well rather than call them losers, as if they'll never do anything right.
Well, we did say 'all the best to you for your future endeavours'... when they left...Then we call them losers... So?
Whatever success they achieve in their future is non of VE's concern...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
yep no action at all.. =( better than a liar.. who expects us to believe that he is actually averaging everythign up. so you joined VE on 28 feb?
come on... everybody lies... Oh my elementalangel... Are you a saint? Dont tell me that you have never lied in your entire life before? Doesnt that make YOU a LIAR?as I have mentioned before, I was averaging it up... No wonder when you accused me of lying, I asked you for the post on which page you didnt want to answer me... You KNEW i was averaging it up... It's common sense:
You Quote : 3-4 months
I quote after you : 3.5 months
Your screw a little loose or are you just plain dumb... Or as usual, you are trying to find fault that is not there??? So typical of you... Doesnt that make you look a little low than usual... But nvm, I bet everyone here understands how childish you are already...
I am a liar(so is everybody else), But you elementalangel is a liar + no action... you're worse than most people here...
I did join on 28 feb...
So what happen? You mummy & daddy wont give you any more money? They gone bankrupt? Here's a solution, why dont you borrow from you grandparents and relatives? But be warned, you'll burn their money too...
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Well, we did say 'all the best to you for your future endeavours'... when they left...Then we call them losers... So?
Whatever success they achieve in their future is non of VE's concern...
If you think they deserved to be called "losers" I have no comment. Wait til one day you leave VE and people call you loser. I hope you're not calling them so just to retain them inside the company.
If they tell you that ppl who leave are losers, reflect on your upline's words. What if one of the uplines leave, are they are losers too? No? Those who call others losers need to learn some humility.
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
come on... everybody lies... Oh my elementalangel... Are you a saint? Dont tell me that you have never lied in your entire life before? Doesnt that make YOU a LIAR?as I have mentioned before, I was averaging it up... No wonder when you accused me of lying, I asked you for the post on which page you didnt want to answer me... You KNEW i was averaging it up... It's common sense:
You Quote : 3-4 months
I quote after you : 3.5 months
Your screw a little loose or are you just plain dumb... Or as usual, you are trying to find fault that is not there??? So typical of you... Doesnt that make you look a little low than usual... But nvm, I bet everyone here understands how childish you are already...
I am a liar(so is everybody else), But you elementalangel is a liar + no action... you're worse than most people here...
I did join on 28 feb...
So what happen? You mummy & daddy wont give you any more money? They gone bankrupt? Here's a solution, why dont you borrow from you grandparents and relatives? But be warned, you'll burn their money too...
A family of losers...people wont use the word exact when averaging unless they are retards.. u can ask around who would use the word exact when averaging
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ok and u admit that u have been there in 28 feb only right? i will definetely ask around about the car achievers .
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One thing I realized about network marketers is that, they failed to understand this saying which goes, "One man's meat is another man's poison." In my point of view, one's progress in life aligns very closely with his/her interest, and don't you think that by trying to persuade, or as what many have said, "Brainwash" people into believing that "in this world where got interest-based jobs?", the new recruits would feel as though it's a chore to come to office everyday.
Yes, you emphasized a lot about 'knowing what is business'. I respect that. But I do believe not everyone is cut out to do business, and some people still enjoy and prefer taking paychecks from their jobs and their own careers, be it in the F&B industry, the government sector, like signing on as an officer, in the army, Navy, or police. That's their interest. They have totally no intention of setting up their own business. They're being content with what they have, and what they're doing.
To be frank, I was an agent in VE 2 years back, but have since left the company, due to school projects and all. I don't wish to share my experience there, for I do not wish to receive any 'rebuttal' or 'shootbacks' from anyone. I do not discourage Multi-Level Marketing from continuing, but I do hope that people in this industry do respect people when they have absolutely no intention of doing their own business. You can try to recruit them by any means, but by over-doing it, like trying to question their future regarding financial security, and that by telling them that their job has no future, I think that's downright outrageous. In fact, I was glad my downlines and I left the company.
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Originally posted by Mark34 mj:
One thing I realized about network marketers is that, they failed to understand this saying which goes, "One man's meat is another man's poison." In my point of view, one's progress in life aligns very closely with his/her interest, and don't you think that by trying to persuade, or as what many have said, "Brainwash" people into believing that "in this world where got interest-based jobs?", the new recruits would feel as though it's a chore to come to office everyday.
Yes, you emphasized a lot about 'knowing what is business'. I respect that. But I do believe not everyone is cut out to do business, and some people still enjoy and prefer taking paychecks from their jobs and their own careers, be it in the F&B industry, the government sector, like signing on as an officer, in the army, Navy, or police. That's their interest. They have totally no intention of setting up their own business. They're being content with what they have, and what they're doing.
To be frank, I was an agent in VE 2 years back, but have since left the company, due to school projects and all. I don't wish to share my experience there, for I do not wish to receive any 'rebuttal' or 'shootbacks' from anyone. I do not discourage Multi-Level Marketing from continuing, but I do hope that people in this industry do respect people when they have absolutely no intention of doing their own business. You can try to recruit them by any means, but by over-doing it, like trying to question their future regarding financial security, and that by telling them that their job has no future, I think that's downright outrageous. In fact, I was glad my downlines and I left the company.
With regards to the above highlighted text..
Most of which are stuffs which I really agree on..
Maybe I'll just add some key phases to sum it up.
MLM is meant for EVERYONE; BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS CUT OUT FOR MLM.
Having said that..I believe only those who have at least tried it (those who did put in some effort in trying will understand it..)
Will not explain the details since the way this thread is going..it's going nowhere from what I personally feel.. (Own Opinion..thus no need to reply nor quote my post.)
As for the part about their interest..this part I don't really agree..
It's about their characters and personalities which makes each individual to come up with each of their respectives' choices..be it working for others...signing on as a govt employees etc..
Most importantly..it's the situation that each individual is currently in to determine the path whereby they will go..thus not all are cut for MLM..
it's their choice..as to how they come about with their own choices..most of it comes from their background..and the people they have being hanging around with..
There's a saying like this:
"You are who you mixed with"
Example: A Begger mixing with Nine Other Millionaire Friends VERUS A Millionaire mixing with Nine Other Beggers..
Roughly get the idea?
It's about finding your true calling..what you're passion about to really succeed..
Why many people do MLM..is partially because of the exposure they have...
I personally learnt way a lot..especially when the company has just started couple of years back...that's when all the key important knowledge are being passed around in search of potential leaders to lead the company..
It's about time and network which choosing a company as well..
Details wise..will not be shared..since here from what I see..are only about rebuttals over sharing..
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your examples are not really fantastic
in mlms in SG. majority of the mlmers are actually school dropouts, thus mixing with them would bring you no where.
i believe you have misunderstood what mark34 said.
he was trying to say that not everyone likes mlms and thus no point forcing others to join (i think)
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That being said, do not drag people down just for the sake of having one more downline. Don't use tactics to make people believe mlm is the best. Not everyone is interested in sales job. Not everyone is interested in a job with unstable pay.
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
people wont use the word exact when averaging unless they are retards.. u can ask around who would use the word exact when averaging
Like I've said, its up to you if you want to believe or not... You are JUST a NOBODY... No point saying to a BIG TALKER......
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
ok and u admit that u have been there in 28 feb only right? i will definetely ask around about the car achievers .
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Originally posted by redstone:
If you think they deserved to be called "losers" I have no comment. Wait til one day you leave VE and people call you loser. I hope you're not calling them so just to retain them inside the company.
If they tell you that ppl who leave are losers, reflect on your upline's words. What if one of the uplines leave, are they are losers too? No? Those who call others losers need to learn some humility.
That day will never come... I know where my loyalty lies and that is with VE... BTW, why would i leave when I am doing so well here... I dont call them losers until they say leave... So, unless they have super powers to here me from 1km away, they wont hear of it...Upline quit... So what? Quit means quit... quitter = loser...
Humility... Learn and understand that word 1st before you use it...
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From the above post by Mark34 mj and the_fallen,
there are 2 types
1- Follow passion and interest... ( be it in sales, navy etc.)
2- Want job and financial security...(dont follow interest)
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Originally posted by redstone:
That being said, do not drag people down just for the sake of having one more downline. Don't use tactics to make people believe mlm is the best. Not everyone is interested in sales job. Not everyone is interested in a job with unstable pay.
It does depend on the person... As for me, I believe that MLM is the best... And you disagree... That's fine, we have different opinions... When I bring a potential downline down, I'll say MLM is the best because I believe so... If he disagrees than that's fine...No point having a downline who's not that passionate.. He wont do well and thus will waste my time...
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white soul reaper. do u know what is a mlm?
a mlm is just a medium to sell things. akin to opening a shop.
so what u are trying to say is that if best denki can open a shop and do so well, why not the rest right? everyday we see so many shops closing down, does that mean that selling through a shop is not a better choice than being in/ working for an mlm?
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
white soul reaper. do u know what is a mlm?
a mlm is just a medium to sell things. akin to opening a shop.
so what u are trying to say is that if best denki can open a shop and do so well, why not the rest right? everyday we see so many shops closing down, does that mean that selling through a shop is not a better choice than being in/ working for an mlm?
seems to me that you only read what you want to read... My philosophy is "if MLM is not for you then dont join"... BTW, opening a shop requires lots of money and maintening it too is also costly....
Indeed MLM similar to opening a shop is a medium... But you too have to consider the costs difference... that's why many shops close when they run out of funds to maintain their shops...
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how you all argue so many pages one -.-"
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Originally posted by eagle:
how you all argue so many pages one -.-"
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Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
something new always comes up...actually hor... shouldn't waste much of your time here if you are that busy...
for me, i spend time here because i try to help pple out in hwk forum when possible... so different...