Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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CLARIFICATION!!Originally posted by corwin_2k:well, ure point being?
Like I told u, it is important to have a centralised location. That is true. Nobody said CBD was a bad area. In my earlier posts, I mentioned the company took due consideration into the location. It seems opinions of customers and agaents were taken into account and ascessibility wise, our current location was much convinient. After 2 months shift, agents n customers alike seem to have no complaints compared with the CBD expensive entry routes and parking spaces.
Really, I find it funny that you seem to be making a personal grudge againts my company as if the location of the company will cause so many agents and customers to leave venture era and competitors see it as a downfall of my company. Understanding u r from a company ***** which location-wise seems to be way off "centralised" as you call it, I don't see any adverse effects that will ruin your company am I right to say that? So if pinpointing a company's location is a big decision to criticise, remember one thing, although location can be a great asset to a company, especially MLM companies, it takes time to open new branches n HQ. As the business grows, Im sure many MLM companies would become like Great Eastern n AIA whereby their offices are spread with the demand of the market.
So, I did not twist any use of words cause I did not claim in my forum here tt CBD was bad, in fact, it is a great location for venturing businesses but due to target traffics considerations, businesses experts will tell you that our current location will do great. and of course many other reasons I am disclosed to tell. I hope none of your comments are personal. And correct me if I am wrong that u are still in *****.
Corwin
Disclaimer : To Corwin - It might be offensive to you in one way or another, with that, I apologise to you first before you read.
Firstly, I am not bias nor holding any grudes against the idea of changing Location
Second - Don't ASSUME - Not sure, ask, don't assume.
Third - Don't Put Words in My Mouth.
Forth - I didn't want to Tee-Down you company in any way (You can choose not to believe but my conscience is clear); the reason why i post in your thread on what I observed is based on before and after statements.
(if you do know the meaning of Quotes & +1, it means i agree to a certain extent.) i did not TEE-DOWN your company in anyway. (refer to the words i said below)
Usually networkers will give a lot of excuses to cover up for their mistakes which is very normal. [This applies to all Networkers regardless of which companies and who they are]
Fifth - Since when DID I SAY/Mention that My current company is in Central Location ; Since WHEN did I say that My Current Company is located in Prime Location? [Don't put words into my mouth] (do you know privacy - I didn't even mention anything regarding my company in the forums, so why do you have to mention it - that's so un-professional of you despite your high mlm knowledge)
[sorry for being harsh, although you do have professional and more than sufficient MLM & Business Knowledge, but you lack in Basic Manners and courtesy - it's a basic rule of thumb to respect one another's privacy despite the difference in companies.] My Statement is based on the couple of MLM companies that I've being to, and just so happens that you happen to say different Versions as well. (But than again, everyone learns from mistakes, even i am also learning, thus it's normal to make mistakes, but better not repeat the same mistake - correct me if i'm wrong.)
But i must admit, you're good in your own way, but don't let your knowledge be in your way of improving for the better.
I didn't have a personal grudes against your company.Originally posted by the_fallen:+1
a bit too bias to protecting VE already..
+ the resons on moving to other place..
if i didn't remember wrongly, corwin, when we last met, you said something like doing business, it's best to have business that's located in the central..
now it has moved, than you come up with a lot of 'reasons' to answer to the people posting here.
somehow, it's a repeat of history..just like what i learnt from my research work..it tallies with what i observed..
why would i?
if i have, than i would have already gone to the N** thread to post and black-name my ex-company already, but ask yourself, and you can go check it out. DID I AT ANYTIME BLACK NAME MY EX-COMPANY? Did I Tee-Down my Ex-President? No I didn't.
Although I did feel Tricked into believing, but I didn't flame the thread in anyway possible. Go check it out. So don't you put words into my mouth.
It's your whole Chunk of Knowledge which caused you to complicate things when it's acutally that SIMPLE. [do not complicate things]
Why i post a reply - Coz i just said it's a bit too Bias from your replies.
It's just that your post is a 1-sided. Not balanced.
I didn't said any bad point(s) of your company. I only said something of you (which is true on you being 1-sided. that's all) So kindly edit your post.
Thank You.
Even though I'm in another company now, but I didn't defend it/give 1 sided answer. Coz time speaks for itself. I have absolute confidence in my company. Why I choose not to let others know I'm which company. Coz I don't intend to Recruit People From HERE. My Purpose is just to share what i know. With that, I hope you can kindly EDIT your post. Thank You.
Basic Rule - The more you defend, the more gossips it will invite - Know the rules of the game and play along with it. It's the universal rule of Discussions-look at hear how Aunties talk to one-another than you'll get what i mean.
Even in MLM, there are Rules and Terms to Follow. Just like Business, there's Laws Written by the Court, but just that MLM Rules are currently not regulated by Law to date. Thus maybe you can check with your uplines and familiarized yourself with the rules/commandments of MLM.
Summary -
Don't Complicate Things
Mutual Respect
Basic Courtesy
Privacy
Rules of the Game (in this forum, no advertising, so i didn't intend to spill the beans but..sigh..) -
Pathetic reply.
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Welcome to the forums
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Im with mightyflameboy and the others on this one. To Ve, im another LIVING TESTIMONIAL to the 'admin' scam thing.....I just went down to the ve office a few days ago when this guy from ve called me, and told me there was an interview for the job at their office. I and the other ppl down there had thought this was the 'admin' post i was applying for through one agency i called up a few days ago.. and so when i went down there, at the start there was a briefing about their product about how good it was... etc etc etc.. but they didnt even tell us what the hell we were going to be doing.. so i and a few other newbies just sat there listening to the girl talk about the product.. then after that we meet the manager and he starts talking all these things about how good the company is and making us want to join them.. and only till the very end when he was going to stop he told us that we were going to be selling this water system and it was commission based and had no basic pay.. during these long 3 hours.. they just said ALOT of irrelevant stuff and i and the other newbies were totally lost.. being 'brainwashed' into joining them... (even if the manager himself said he wasn't brainwashing but who the hell believes that)
My point is.. why would a company go through so much effort to recruit youngsters like us?.. training their managers to talk so fluently, spending so much time when it could have been used doing other things.. just think about it.. normally in an interview it would be you who will be trying to convince the employer to employ you.. but in this case in was totally the opposite... the employer was trying to convince us to join them.. i dont know if they get money for each new person they recruited.. but i can tell u their motive is not to increase their sales.. how the hell do u expect a person who has just finished their o' lvls to sell a product that is worth $2000 ( $1946 ) be precise to a customer!!? they are just recruiting us to promote and most importantly increasing the awareness of their product.. and their manager made it look like it was a piece of cake to sell the $2k product..Manager: "sell one system in 3 days should be no problem right." but if you compare it to a 16 17 18 years old.. it would be a really good if he or she could sell more than 1 of them in a month..
i dont really care about ve's products.. but they could at least have the courtesy to tell us right at the start what we would be doing so that both mine and their time wouldn't be wasted -
This is a mlm company. You get paid on a commission basis. There is no loss to the company. So they won't care which tom dick harry them recruit. And youngsters are easier to recruit because we are more stupid.Originally posted by MightyIceBoy2:Im with mightyflameboy and the others on this one. To Ve, im another LIVING TESTIMONIAL to the 'admin' scam thing.....I just went down to the ve office a few days ago when this guy from ve called me, and told me there was an interview for the job at their office. I and the other ppl down there had thought this was the 'admin' post i was applying for through one agency i called up a few days ago.. and so when i went down there, at the start there was a briefing about their product about how good it was... etc etc etc.. but they didnt even tell us what the hell we were going to be doing.. so i and a few other newbies just sat there listening to the girl talk about the product.. then after that we meet the manager and he starts talking all these things about how good the company is and making us want to join them.. and only till the very end when he was going to stop he told us that we were going to be selling this water system and it was commission based and had no basic pay.. during these long 3 hours.. they just said ALOT of irrelevant stuff and i and the other newbies were totally lost.. being 'brainwashed' into joining them... (even if the manager himself said he wasn't brainwashing but who the hell believes that)
My point is.. why would a company go through so much effort to recruit youngsters like us?.. training their managers to talk so fluently, spending so much time when it could have been used doing other things.. just think about it.. normally in an interview it would be you who will be trying to convince the employer to employ you.. but in this case in was totally the opposite... the employer was trying to convince us to join them.. i dont know if they get money for each new person they recruited.. but i can tell u their motive is not to increase their sales.. how the hell do u expect a person who has just finished their o' lvls to sell a product that is worth $2000 ( $1946 ) be precise to a customer!!? they are just recruiting us to promote and most importantly increasing the awareness of their product.. and their manager made it look like it was a piece of cake to sell the $2k product..Manager: "sell one system in 3 days should be no problem right." but if you compare it to a 16 17 18 years old.. it would be a really good if he or she could sell more than 1 of them in a month..
i dont really care about ve's products.. but they could at least have the courtesy to tell us right at the start what we would be doing so that both mine and their time wouldn't be wasted -
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I agree with this post.Originally posted by laurence82:To be truthful, MLM, whatever other names people like to call it, still remains a business. No doubt about it. You make appeals based on how attractive your products are or how good is your marketing plan.
To defend it like you would a cause, like anti-abortion, stop short of a publicity disaster. MLM industry is unique in a way because there is really no such really thing as MLMers and non-MLMers. You need to convert non-MLMers to your business and the last thing any businessman would do is to flame the public.
You are basically proving those who are against MLM right.
I think that everyone are networkers. Might it be students, adults, or even kids. Let me ask this question. When you were younger, did you boast to your friends about anything before? Did it ever cross your mind that you are already networking then? Did you ever had friends who end up buying the same bag or clothes as you just because you convinced them that it is nice? Did you ever managed to ask your friends out to go shopping or do anything to u when they didnt wan to at first? Can i say that this is networking?
Im now working v closely with many businessmen. U realise that they like to go play golf, drink coffee, and even hightea partying. you think they reali go there juz to enjoy ah??? when u ask the actual reason, they will tell u...'this is the best time to noe XXX boss. He will help me in my business.' or "he is very impt to me. he can help me expand my business." Isnt this wat MLM people are doing oso? so can I say that everyone is a networker????
UNLESS U SAY U ONLI NOE HOW TO STAY AT HOME AND PLAY COMPUTER. I believe no one dunno how to leave home and face the public. if u do step out of house, one way or another, U ARE A NETWORKER. -
To the_fallen and corwin's 'quarrel', I feel that it is between two MLM talk lor.....y bother??? aint u r all MLM? y bother to ruin each other? u are both in the same boat. y want to sink the boat together???
If you are not, then i can onli say....u muz be in it to noe wat it is reali abt. dun think tt it is as simple as wat u think. I saw a msg tt says, y muz they train all the YOUNGSTERS to convince YOUNGSTERS. Did it ever occur to u once that when u are out there working, and all the old ppl juz tell u....listen to me n u cant b wrong? did u ever hear phrases like 'I am more exp, and u shld follow wat i do'? did u ever feel that juz becos u are e youngest there, and u are always e one to b bullied or b seen as...u cant bring e company far one la? Or even..I am e one who work with this company since set up. who are u to say i am wrong????
Sounds familiar??? SO...who says YOUNGSTERS cant do BIG things??? I am now in a OLD company, thou it is onli 1yr old, and they say.....u are too young to do wat we are doing...wait till u graduates.....how would u feel???? but in MLM, u say they find youngsters?????? CONTRADICTING????
By the way, from wat i noe, in one poly, NETWORK MARKETING is being taught, and NTU is starting a course on NETWORK MARKETING too.
Y is it tt onli Singaporeans think tt NWM cant be done, while other countries are ok with it?????? tt's becos there are black sheeps in the market ma. NOW the black sheeps are being eliminated by e law already, then y are u all still so backward in time???
Didnt insurance used to have bad names too???? but now??? ppl on top are earning. Y is it tt ppl dun learn the good things fr past exp??? y they onli look at the bad??? youngsters....they should be e nex batch bringing the country up. they muz b positive. u think if LKY was not, he can lead SG till today?? u can criticise him for all i care. but u cant deny that w/o him, we will b juz a colony country. we might not even survive due to racial riots. U think if LKY is not positive, he can promise then sgeans wat he did? u think e old ppl will trust him??? he was onli 20+ 30..Now e pact is faster...so u MUZ start young. -
To reply, this is y it is said...VE cant control how ppl recruit. rem..it is ur biz. AN EG is, when we go certain McDonalds or KFC, was there once u feel...y MAC or KFC like tt one? poor Customer service? poor food quality? will u stop eating them?? but y not? juz dun go this outlet rite? same thing la...dun go to e same manager lor. find some1 beta lor. Actually, mac n KFC works in e same way too.Originally posted by MightyIceBoy2:Im with mightyflameboy and the others on this one. To Ve, im another LIVING TESTIMONIAL to the 'admin' scam thing.....I just went down to the ve office a few days ago when this guy from ve called me, and told me there was an interview for the job at their office. I and the other ppl down there had thought this was the 'admin' post i was applying for through one agency i called up a few days ago.. and so when i went down there, at the start there was a briefing about their product about how good it was... etc etc etc.. but they didnt even tell us what the hell we were going to be doing.. so i and a few other newbies just sat there listening to the girl talk about the product.. then after that we meet the manager and he starts talking all these things about how good the company is and making us want to join them.. and only till the very end when he was going to stop he told us that we were going to be selling this water system and it was commission based and had no basic pay.. during these long 3 hours.. they just said ALOT of irrelevant stuff and i and the other newbies were totally lost.. being 'brainwashed' into joining them... (even if the manager himself said he wasn't brainwashing but who the hell believes that)
My point is.. why would a company go through so much effort to recruit youngsters like us?.. training their managers to talk so fluently, spending so much time when it could have been used doing other things.. just think about it.. normally in an interview it would be you who will be trying to convince the employer to employ you.. but in this case in was totally the opposite... the employer was trying to convince us to join them.. i dont know if they get money for each new person they recruited.. but i can tell u their motive is not to increase their sales.. how the hell do u expect a person who has just finished their o' lvls to sell a product that is worth $2000 ( $1946 ) be precise to a customer!!? they are just recruiting us to promote and most importantly increasing the awareness of their product.. and their manager made it look like it was a piece of cake to sell the $2k product..Manager: "sell one system in 3 days should be no problem right." but if you compare it to a 16 17 18 years old.. it would be a really good if he or she could sell more than 1 of them in a month..
i dont really care about ve's products.. but they could at least have the courtesy to tell us right at the start what we would be doing so that both mine and their time wouldn't be wasted
I dun understand y they looked for 16, 17, 18. coz wat i noe is they are looking for 18 and abv. below 18 are not allow. tt's wat i last heard. I agree to sm1 who said this 'u are onli 18 years into your life, of coz u wun b beta than a 28 year old.' sth like tt one. in terms of NWM, yes.
abt y sm ppl dun like to sell to family n relatives, my reply would b....if u sell at retail, u are still selling to SM1's relative. isnt it e same????? juz tt it's not urs?? then u are reali selfish.
they are not trying to convince u to join in e interview. dun get it wrong. they are trying to offer u sth. who says they wanna convince u?? u think too much la. it is juz becoz ppl are not OPEN to the NEW biz idea, tt's y they are doing this. to let u noe more.
To ppl who went VE and was FORCED to buy their PRODUCTS, I can onli say, u got a choice. u can choose not to buy. U buy liaoz then u complain??? rem...it is ur decision. ANYWAY, VE do not FORCE ppl to buy their products. My sis is a business Manager now, aft 1 yr 3mths in it. She is onli 19 this yr. She never spend a single cent in it. ecp for transport and food back then. now she is earning $2k per month. haven got her car la......but shld b in 1yr's time. let u all noe again. y i nv join??? haha...coz my sis join can le ah......wanna join aft my graduation, thou i do have an acc there, and not a single cent spent.
Pls b more open to this la.....it wun harm. it helps. but choose the rite company. NWM and health is the nex big thing. check with gov n u will noe. in fact VE, not trying to promote, but it is one of the companies tt gov praises. -
If VE was that good..
We would hear this tagline
"Magnergy, The world's number 1 selling mattress"
instead of
"Sealy, The world's number 1 selling mattress"
I tell you, Good things the company rather just hire you and give you fixed pay while they take most profit. You guys can't think for fcuk man, Stop conning young people into joining your scamming company.
The only reason VE wants to give you to sell because its not proven, It's just what they say and you stupidly listen to.
I tell you what, I'm working in the bedlinen line so I do know which type of beds are there in the market.
I run around department stores and I know how they work, They only allow established brands to set up counters in their space.
And so far, I have never seen what magnetic beds. Why? Metro, Isetan, Taka all don't want your brilliant products ar?
Don't say simi lj la..
We all know Tempur is currently the hottest thing and most effective bed and not some cheapo unresearched bed a bunch of brainless fools are trying to sell -
Nice reply. Totally agree.Originally posted by Agenda:If VE was that good..
We would hear this tagline
"Magnergy, The world's number 1 selling mattress"
instead of
"Sealy, The world's number 1 selling mattress"
I tell you, Good things the company rather just hire you and give you fixed pay while they take most profit. You guys can't think for fcuk man, Stop conning young people into joining your scamming company.
The only reason VE wants to give you to sell because its not proven, It's just what they say and you stupidly listen to.
I tell you what, I'm working in the bedlinen line so I do know which type of beds are there in the market.
I run around department stores and I know how they work, They only allow established brands to set up counters in their space.
And so far, I have never seen what magnetic beds. Why? Metro, Isetan, Taka all don't want your brilliant products ar?
Don't say simi lj la..
We all know Tempur is currently the hottest thing and most effective bed and not some cheapo unresearched bed a bunch of brainless fools are trying to sell -
this lanjiao company, really waste your time and $$.run by small girls ah?why all like ginas one.magnetic beds, calstar water for f uck one?why so exp?no explanations?how come ask for family contacts de?wan to sell to them ah?the car reward thing is wad 1 in a million? pls ans these qns VE ppl.
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yea
then how come advertisement is say looking for people to assist managers in presentations? can learn $100++ in just a couple of hours?
VE how to explain?
Is there a law to sue the company for misleading information?
Must the company resort to dirty means to get people to come for the interview?
Because the fact that its a scamming company where probably only idiots would go for? -
Still dun understand....realise you guyz are talking abt e same thing in diff ways....WE SAID BEFORE....VE is not responsible for this!!! It is the ppl who spoil e image. as I said....dun like this person go to another la...if ALL the same...then VE is like tt....Can u tell me is it all e same??? or u juz met one or two???Originally posted by Agenda:yea
then how come advertisement is say looking for people to assist managers in presentations? can learn $100++ in just a couple of hours?
VE how to explain?
Is there a law to sue the company for misleading information?
Must the company resort to dirty means to get people to come for the interview?
Because the fact that its a scamming company where probably only idiots would go for?
If u dowan to waste ur time in finding out, we got no choice. Then u dun go ard saying wat u DUNNO.
1 in a million???? ermm........means there should b onli 4 ppl in sg will hit e car. but i noe got 20++ le. so is it one in a million???
it is not wrong tt u can learn $100++ in juz a couple of hours. no lies in it...juz how u see it.
But anyway, i see one thing. onli ppl who has nothing to do will come online here...ppl in VE wun b bothered to. they are juz too busy. bizman ma...not like us...kids. -
Ha I think it's because they don't dare to explain.Originally posted by CtCaLn:Still dun understand....realise you guyz are talking abt e same thing in diff ways....WE SAID BEFORE....VE is not responsible for this!!! It is the ppl who spoil e image. as I said....dun like this person go to another la...if ALL the same...then VE is like tt....Can u tell me is it all e same??? or u juz met one or two???
If u dowan to waste ur time in finding out, we got no choice. Then u dun go ard saying wat u DUNNO.
1 in a million???? ermm........means there should b onli 4 ppl in sg will hit e car. but i noe got 20++ le. so is it one in a million???
it is not wrong tt u can learn $100++ in juz a couple of hours. no lies in it...juz how u see it.
But anyway, i see one thing. onli ppl who has nothing to do will come online here...ppl in VE wun b bothered to. they are juz too busy. bizman ma...not like us...kids. -
Damn, I'm forced back to this forums cos' I juz kena another MLM shieta today. Wow, I din check this thread for mths, and realised that I haf replies to my posts, and even a sidekick called MightyIceBoy!Originally posted by CtCaLn:Still dun understand....realise you guyz are talking abt e same thing in diff ways....WE SAID BEFORE....VE is not responsible for this!!! It is the ppl who spoil e image. as I said....dun like this person go to another la...if ALL the same...then VE is like tt....Can u tell me is it all e same??? or u juz met one or two???
If u dowan to waste ur time in finding out, we got no choice. Then u dun go ard saying wat u DUNNO.
1 in a million???? ermm........means there should b onli 4 ppl in sg will hit e car. but i noe got 20++ le. so is it one in a million???
it is not wrong tt u can learn $100++ in juz a couple of hours. no lies in it...juz how u see it.
But anyway, i see one thing. onli ppl who has nothing to do will come online here...ppl in VE wun b bothered to. they are juz too busy. bizman ma...not like us...kids.
Are all MLMers trained in the same way? I'm approached by Enyouth today, and whambam! It's like deja vu, tinking back the unfortunate 2-3 hrs I spent at Venture Era. They speak exactly the SAME, promising the exact SAME prospects of 5 FIG PAYCHECK, BMW and ANY FREAKING CAR U LIKE!
I agree it's the ppl who spoils MLM image in SG, but wif such a business plan of recruiting more ppl, selling more products, I doubt it's hard for them to chg their recruitment/sales approach, which we hate in the first place.
So as fer ur comment abt meeting 1 or 2 such ppl, sry to tell u, but I met at least 10 over peeps alrdy, talking abt the same shieta abt their company, how gd it is, how successful u'll be.
It's true tt some ppl make it successful in MLM but it's a very small percentage. Cos' as everyday passes, ppl get more aware of such a thing as MLM, and those who're willing to buy, or dumb enough to buy, would have alrdy bought the products, that probably placed those happy asses of the current 'managers' in their warm and rich seats, while the new trainees would be trying so hard to sell the products to the alrdy aware public, forcing them to use hard and sell tactics, be it recruitment or sales, making them the instant bane of their social circles. It's a vicious cycle, really.
As for false job promises, either via newspaper or phonecall, is VE still using the same ol' tactic of promising innocent job-seekers of an admin job, customer svc call centre job? I tink someone trained in law muz really put a stop to this. Do MLM, I dun mind la, it's a form of business afterall, but pls be more honest. -
I used to be in VE before,i'll give my 2 cents worth of opinion
Magnetic Therapy,they're not proven by science,i realised that the seniors actually lied to me about it,i was kinda' upset,you know,about selling something that's questionable in it's result made me quite guilty.
It's alkaline water,there's no point in drinking alkaline water as when it goes to the stomach,the acid actually neutralises it.
After researching,i came to the conclusion that since i'm questioning the products i'm selling,i might as well quit -
I was just wondering..
I had received a call from Venture Era. How do they get your contact number and such? -
Fu ck them.Originally posted by chemfreak:I was just wondering..
I had received a call from Venture Era. How do they get your contact number and such? -
I heard frm peeps in tis forums tt they appear in town areas occassionally to do a seemingly harmless 'survey' on ur thots on business. Then if u gif them ur real HP num, then hong gan lor.Originally posted by chemfreak:I was just wondering..
I had received a call from Venture Era. How do they get your contact number and such?
But funny thing is tt, I dun remember doing such a survey. Even if I did, it'd be years ago, leading me to the chilling revelation tt there's a possibility tt they store ur surveys fer yrs, noting when u finish ur major exams or ORD etc, and haf some free time, then they start to prey on u.
Of cos' tt's juz my speculation, I seriously got no exact clue how they really got our contact info. Maybe they sneak in army camps to get the ORD lists and contact numbers?
Same goes fer schools? Either that, or they haf an extensive social network tt they start gathering numbers and haf a totally unrelated MLMer to call u to avoid detection.
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some Regulars are involved in MLM, therefore, it is possible that they obtained the whole unit's nominal roll from S1 or Ops Room.Originally posted by MightyFlameboy:I heard frm peeps in tis forums tt they appear in town areas occassionally to do a seemingly harmless 'survey' on ur thots on business. Then if u gif them ur real HP num, then hong gan lor.
But funny thing is tt, I dun remember doing such a survey. Even if I did, it'd be years ago, leading me to the chilling revelation tt there's a possibility tt they store ur surveys fer yrs, noting when u finish ur major exams or ORD etc, and haf some free time, then they start to prey on u.
Of cos' tt's juz my speculation, I seriously got no exact clue how they really got our contact info. Maybe they sneak in army camps to get the ORD lists and contact numbers? Same goes fer schools? Either that, or they haf an extensive social network tt they start gathering numbers and haf a totally unrelated MLMer to call u to avoid detection.
Maybe ppl in VE would like to tell us, how u get ur potential preys?
or the NSFs did it.
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LOL very long post we hav here..u guyz juz tok alot on how u hav wasted time etc.. but when u were there did u bother asking y price so steep and all the contradicting issues u spread ard? U cant expect ppl to explain to ur queries here. even if they try, u will juz find something new to complain about. why dont u visit them again and ask? i will be more convinced then.
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The problem here is... that we're not interested in hearing the explanations of those MLMers, cos' the answers to those qns are pretty obvious. Why are the prices of the goods so steep? Of cos' to line their pockets to buy their 'stupid BMW by 26 yrs old'.Originally posted by smooth12:LOL very long post we hav here..u guyz juz tok alot on how u hav wasted time etc.. but when u were there did u bother asking y price so steep and all the contradicting issues u spread ard? U cant expect ppl to explain to ur queries here. even if they try, u will juz find something new to complain about. why dont u visit them again and ask? i will be more convinced then.
I shan't comment so much abt the business plan, touchy issues abt profits and gains, cos' I'm not very well trained in business too. If u noticed the trends of all my posts, it's to tackle the issue of MLM in SG abusing human relations.
I only had 1 prb with VE, that is they gave me false hopes of a regular job. And how the heck they got my number? I did ask my recruiter, and she didn't do a good job explaining that to me. So, how should I find my answer then? Go right to the top manager and demand an explanation?
Besides, no matter how f-up the company is in our eyes, it's impolite to ask them abt such touchy issues abt their product prices, isn't it? Furthermore, with a throng of MLM talking kiddos in suits and ties bombarding u without giving u rest, esp. if u're ALONE against 10 of them, do u tink u'll be able to tink rationally at tt pt of time? Or u'll juz be tinking of running away at the 1st opportunity? Of cos' the latter, right?
I believe most peeps here wanna share their experiences, and to read abt other ppl's experiences as well to see if there's any similarities. We're not the least interested abt their business plan or product prices or wadever sh!t cos' we're alrdy convinced not to haf any part of VE anymore in our lives. If u wan to noe more, u can go to their office urself. We're not trying to convince anyone. We're juz voicing out our opinions. Isn't that wad forums are fer? -
Just a question to enquiries,since you're from VE: Why VE no official website one? I only wished to know the benefits of the product and learn more, yet all i find is tons and tons of entries trying to put down ur product? If VE got official website i mebbe join VE liao.
I totally agreed. a 6 year NM company is without an offical website? is there something to hide? i was introduced to Venture Era by a friend who told me that there is a business opportunity and be able to do businesss. and next i met up with him and head down to this old building of MDIS down in changi road. when i first heard of it, i was so kind of "wow" with the products. like say the water calstar or whatever it is called. has 6 more better function than the normal tap water or filter water we had in our home??? and sure there is demostration about it. saying all the positive points about it and there is no negative about it.
Next was the business plan they called it. from a MA(P) to MA, you need sell something like cause $1900+? just to reach that? and commission of 5%?? and for MA to reach ME ? a $9000 of total sales? and further? you have to eat your consicence and bow your heads to your friends/relatives when trying to sell to them, talking to them endlessly about the products and all that. just trying to sell to them? and earn their money? when your up-line is earning what you sold? i felt its unfair as in which do your up-line can earn when you found the customer by yourself? sure i don like the idea of getting 'eaten' up. its not good for anyone. my friends, about 3 or 4? got calls about short-listed for an interview in a office. and they told me it is Venture Era. it was like a scam, that people of VE had to use underhand means to get recuits to work for them. and they are earning through their friends' money. and the Car-Archiever(CA) thing. it is just a movitating thing for the people of VE. the products there are not cheap. cheapest is about $200 if i remember correctly. why will people of VE need do trick people to get down for recuitment or selling off their products? like my friend who told me, he is using his own savings for his promotion to another rank. This is self-investment! you would have to ask your family or relative or yourself to invest for yourself! and the Business Manager(BM) will psycho you, telling you don give up and all that. its more on your mental mind set. like how one of the BM talked to me. and calculated how much i would earn. and the SGBM ( Senior Group Business Manager) earning $15k per mth? but how does he earn it? tricking people using underhand means? had a quarrel with his family because of telling them to invest on him? who knows? he said he used 1 year for that SGBM. but alot of things had happened, you will lose your friends' trust. you will lose your relatives and friends' point of view about you. your intergity? your pride? where are they? is it because of money your are doing such thing????? money can be good, it can be evil too! it depends on how you earn it! don trying to trick your friends and relatives! ESPECIALLY they wan the first Sales Appointment(SA) with your family. they first will target your parents and told them to fork out the money for your MA position. there's alot of story about VE. all i had said its true. you may have all the money in the world. but you will lose your friends' trust and their point of view about how they think about you.
For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs
Think twice my friends out there! -
SBGM ( SENIOR BUSINESS GROUP MANAGER ) i mean. i really hope my friends out there. its always better to get a good job. VE people look down on diploma holders because they think they are earning more than the dip holders. most youths now thought that VE is a 'shortcut' to get rich. but during the experience in VE. you will lose your friends' and family trust, i mean it. VE people says it is naturally rejections out there. its a form of psychoing you! WAKE UP! please wake up! they are earning money through you! because without you, they are not earning money! VE is targeting alot of youngsters who are looking for part-time jobs. and we don even know how they got our numbers. looks like they have their 'dark' ways of doing that. and also WHERE IS THEIR WEBSITE! there are alot of things they are hiding from us that are not disclosed. and all the brain-wash, i'm sick of it. seriously. any Ve people or whoever, any comment just shoot at me.