Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Why leave now. At least alert everyone that these people are scammers and help everyone. Rather than i myself leave and the people there continue to be scammed.
Quoted for reference
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Originally posted by huzane89:
Those who teach you to stop schooling and prioritize VE = dewey, red house leaders. Basically the red and blue house leaders and their sub leaders.How do you place ad on the classified ads? Job asmin, basic pay? that is considered scamming too, you know.
Names names. You might be a random person who did not even joined VE and is just trying to fake around. If you have names I can perhaps alert people to not join them.
Nope. I put Freelance Job. Pay is purely commission. and other things that i forgot for now. -
Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Heroin is scientifically proven to have detrimental effects on one's health. There is no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE will definitely be bad. There are after all people who make it to the top of MLM companies.
But has anyone consumed Heroin and got healthier?So if someone comes up and tell you that he got healthier, are you going to take his word?
There's no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE, is definitely good as well. And anyway, I didn't even condemn the company... while you are so quick to take a defensive part.
Heroin, or its derivative Morphine, is still being used in the medical field as a painkiller for lung cancer patients. It's good for them, relieve their pain. So there are afterall people who used heroin well. At least they can still write a will after that.
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Names names. You might be a random person who did not even joined VE and is just trying to fake around. If you have names I can perhaps alert people to not join them.
Nope. I put Freelance Job. Pay is purely commission. and other things that i forgot for now.Names names. You might be a random person who did not even joined VE and is just trying to fake around
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Lim kuang yong2, I'll give you 3 more months. I too had the same mindset as you once. Now, VE is a waste of your life. Go on and waste your time in VE.
If only i could take back that 3 months and concentrate on my materials business, i could have made more profit!
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Heroin is scientifically proven to have detrimental effects on one's health. There is no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE will definitely be bad. There are after all people who make it to the top of MLM companies.
But has anyone consumed Heroin and got healthier?huh?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Wrong analogy
Rather, there is no concrete evidence that VE is good
besides, it has been running for many years now, who are the achievers and how much they earn, how much their downline earn, what is the rate of success and most of all, why its so unheard of??
VE very unheard of meh?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Wrong analogy
Rather, there is no concrete evidence that VE is good
besides, it has been running for many years now, who are the achievers and how much they earn, how much their downline earn, what is the rate of success and most of all, why its so unheard of??
Just like if you go for Clement Chiang's speech, you will see that he lists only successful students. He won't say how many failed, and only branded those that failed as not having worked hard enough.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Names names. You might be a random person who did not even joined VE and is just trying to fake around
Ok what name do you want and I will tell them to you. You have my name as my username.
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
VE very unheard of meh?
sorry sorry
only in this forum
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Originally posted by laurence82:
sorry sorry
only in this forum
Actually I only heard of it in this forum
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Originally posted by eagle:
Just like if you go for Clement Chiang's speech, you will see that he lists only successful students. He won't say how many failed, and only branded those that failed as not having worked hard enough.
Why would someone teach you how to make money if he can make money using his own strategies?
I don't see Warren Buffet starting classes to teach his investment techniques.
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Firstly, corebooster, I am surprised that at your age you have already completed NS. I am your age but I am waiting for NS. A thing I would like to ask if being an officer matters a lot when entering universities and applying for scholarships. Cos I am still deciding whether to aim to be an officer inside. And maybe when i come out of NS people will accept me into a good position like yours now, but with only 3 months to commit before entering NS, few will want me.
Also, your group seems to be rather small. The group that I am in now is considered of a size slightly below average, and there are already 20-30 people in my group. So I think that your business manager really had some problems. Maybe that is why you quit after 2 weeks, as you couldnt find help that you want or answers to questions that you were asking due to the limited number of people that you could us.
My mentor who is a business manager two star is earning about 4-5k of passive income a month. As mentioned his organization has about 20-30 active people. His income is stable cause his group is not small. Your business manager probably had shaky income due to his small group and not all may have been active. That's why he quitted
Fyi, when i mentioned my group, it refers to my close friends in VE. if u want to know the team im in, its a group of at least 50 acquaitance.and when i refer to BM. its my friend, who went in the same time as me, who got promoted all the way to BM and left 3 months ago.He downline comprises of agents and consumers. Pay-wise, its unstable, secondly, he realised that, the confidence in the product was no longer there.
I left not because the BM was unable to answer my qns, but rather, his answer was not in tandum with my values.
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Originally posted by eagle:
So if someone comes up and tell you that he got healthier, are you going to take his word?
There's no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE, is definitely good as well. And anyway, I didn't even condemn the company... while you are so quick to take a defensive part.
Heroin, or its derivative Morphine, is still being used in the medical field as a painkiller for lung cancer patients. It's good for them, relieve their pain. So there are afterall people who used heroin well. At least they can still write a will after that.
I was inferring. If we wait for everyone to clearly state what they are saying than we would not need brains.
And you made my point. There's no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE, is definitely good as well, or if it is bad. So if you dno, try it. If not what? Do what you all say? -
Originally posted by eagle:
Just like if you go for Clement Chiang's speech, you will see that he lists only successful students. He won't say how many failed, and only branded those that failed as not having worked hard enough.
Yeah, its the easiest way around for company to explain away their systemic issue
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Originally posted by huzane89:
Lim kuang yong2, I'll give you 3 more months. I too had the same mindset as you once. Now, VE is a waste of your life. Go on and waste your time in VE.
If only i could take back that 3 months and concentrate on my materials business, i could have made more profit!
If I quit this job, then I join what now? I got two more months into army and hardly anyone will accept me into a job. Or you wanna recruit me.
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
Ok what name do you want and I will tell them to you. You have my name as my username.
u tell me ah gow ah mau got use or not???
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Originally posted by charlize:
Why would someone teach you how to make money if he can make money using his own strategies?
I don't see Warren Buffet starting classes to teach his investment techniques.
Warren Buffett teaches for free
He shares his wisdom freely... Really insightful... There's this 10 part video on youtube of him giving a speech to some university which I forgot... damn nice!
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Names names. You might be a random person who did not even joined VE and is just trying to fake around. If you have names I can perhaps alert people to not join them.
Nope. I put Freelance Job. Pay is purely commission. and other things that i forgot for now.Dewey, Tan, steven ho, sarah, vera, bryan soh, chris. arh the rest i cant remember their names, show me their face, and i'll know.
Eh, you are there for only a few weeks. No need to ACT like you are pro. Want to meet up and then see if you dare to throw the same shit that i didnt join VE once?! Why the fucking hell to i need to fake around. VE people are the ones who are fake and insincere. 1st befriend you, know you made lots of sales, become your best friend. then when bz with other stuff, their true colours show up. Boycott you. so talk about fake? You and your VE peers are the big FAKES!!!
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Originally posted by laurence82:
sorry sorry
only in this forum
That means all your points so far are from what you think, instead of what you know is it?
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
I was inferring. If we wait for everyone to clearly state what they are saying than we would not need brains.
And you made my point. There's no concrete evidence that MLM, or VE, is definitely good as well, or if it is bad. So if you dno, try it. If not what? Do what you all say?Well, if I can easily earn more than being in MLM or VE, or easily find a job that pays more, or easily start my own tuition business part time that pays more as well, any good reason why I should join?
And from what I read about all the MLMers that come here, including your posts, I can conclude that I wouldn't want to be associated with this bunch of people at all.
I rather do things that confirm will work, and already tried and tested by others. Leverage on others' experience. This is similar to you concluding that Heroin is bad because of scientific proof => that's concrete evidence.
Why go and try something that has no concrete evidence that it will work? Many things in this world, or many people in this world, went big with things that are already working... I.e. Google was not the first search engine in this world... Nor was Nokia the first handphone leader... etc
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If I quit this job, then I join what now? I got two more months into army and hardly anyone will accept me into a job. Or you wanna recruit me.
Go find a decent job that can ensure you education of the REAL world and have some pay.
recruit you for what? I dont need some brainwashed VE mlmer to work for me.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Actually I only heard of it in this forum
i mean, omg, i go out there people know Sunshine Empire (which exists shorter than VE), Amway, Herbalife
wtf is VE??
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Originally posted by Lim kuang yong2:
That means all your points so far are from what you think, instead of what you know is it?
Huh, say again??
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Originally posted by huzane89:
Dewey, Tan, steven ho, sarah, vera, bryan soh, chris. arh the rest i cant remember their names, show me their face, and i'll know.
Eh, you are there for only a few weeks. No need to ACT like you are pro. Want to meet up and then see if you dare to throw the same shit that i didnt join VE once?! Why the fucking hell to i need to fake around. VE people are the ones who are fake and insincere. 1st befriend you, know you made lots of sales, become your best friend. then when bz with other stuff, their true colours show up. Boycott you. so talk about fake? You and your VE peers are the big FAKES!!!
Dude, there is no need for profanities. And your invitation to meet up might be showing that you do not think that you can make a point here so you wanna meet up and make a point physically.
For one thing I really learn stuff like going to corporate appointments. I have even went corporate appointments alone. There is definitely a good experience.