Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!
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Did he really say that they were running a "money game"?? Wow! What audacity! Is that the real deal or just that he is the "black sheep"?Originally posted by jonzibonzi:He say " To tell you the truth we are running like a money game, but we have no intention of running away, in fact the company aims to give all returns within 5 years, Via Emcom Project"
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Originally posted by kokov:
oh no got a number of my frens in there...
Oops..resending the URL
Sunshine Empire is the company that set up Empire Communications Group(EMCOM) Singapore.
The following is the [b]Alert List from Securities Commission, Malaysia
http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/investors/Alert_list.html[/b] -
Wow! you are really resourceful to get information like that....
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yeap warning shots been fired
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actually how much is the rate of return stated on the investment sheet? banks are paying a fixed dep rate of what 2 - 3%? and it's the big banks... UT and SP not even projecting 10%, let alone guaranteeing anything remotely there....
so if this emcom project is full of promises that it can fulfil, two things then:-
1. regulated by MAS - all financial services that are legit must be approved, however in this case, i believe the MAS ALert List has flagged it.
2. it would have sold out like mad long ago and it probably should be accompanied by big publicity and advertising blitz.... I didn't see any.
So I think consumer beware as there might be some truth to what's being dished out here.
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Once again I repeat. The money you give is not to invest in Emcom but to purchase Mall Points to exchange for products on the E-mall. Please read up on the posts that I've made with regards to the investments issue. Thanks.
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so even better then. You buy the Emall points so that you can shop with the Emall. Well, what's the range of products that your mall carry then? Is it competitive?
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Hi, helpdesk. Our prodcuts range from electronics to beauty products, to appliances to food.Originally posted by helpdesk^^:so even better then. You buy the Emall points so that you can shop with the Emall. Well, what's the range of products that your mall carry then? Is it competitive?
Currently my upline is the one specifically assigned to look for more distributors, wholesalers, or anyone with a product to offer at the lowest price to be place on our E-mall. As this thing just started last yr Aug, our products were merely, old NOP products like LUMIMI... some facial wash.. perfume, bird nest, fish essence...INITIALLY.
To my surprise, today when I went into the site in the afternoon, they already got E-ten, O2 atom/life, handphones, and PDA phones for exchange. They have added a few new health and facial care products in too... all I can say that his hardwork to make E-mall success is showing results. Though I dare not say our products are very attractive and comprehensive for now, but things are only getting better
Currently the site is down for maintenance, hopefully its a sign of more new products for us.
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If there are really more products available for exchange and it's competitive than it's really a emalling system. That's good news then.Too bad if your site is down then I can't view the product lines....
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Maybe this time round, I hope it works..
Due to the first Em2All Website which was a Failure + President OVER PROMISED UNDER DELIVER thus my trust in this company and president is now to ZERO..and worse off - it's gone into negative value due to the so call investments...when NONE OF THE AGENTS inside are certified Acccountants nor Bankers nor Financial Planners.. Lol
sigh..so many people are taking this for real..
there's a lot of negative experience which i had of this company..thus I find it amusing that so many people are believing his ideas..and his money making methods, when most of the leaders have seen the high failure rate of he's projects...
all blinded by greed..
sigh..
wish you guys save up more before the game collaspes...
Disclaimer : The above remarks are what I personally experienced, together with some of my other sidelines in other network back when we were still in that company...Thus it's a PERSONAL OPINION, Subjective..
I'm just sharing what I went through, and not to tee-down anyone, just stating the facts only..Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Hi, helpdesk. Our prodcuts range from electronics to beauty products, to appliances to food.
Currently my upline is the one specifically assigned to look for more distributors, wholesalers, or anyone with a product to offer at the lowest price to be place on our E-mall. As this thing just started last yr Aug, our products were merely, old NOP products like LUMIMI... some facial wash.. perfume, bird nest, fish essence...INITIALLY.
To my surprise, today when I went into the site in the afternoon, they already got E-ten, O2 atom/life, handphones, and PDA phones for exchange. They have added a few new health and facial care products in too... all I can say that his hardwork to make E-mall success is showing results. Though I dare not say our products are very attractive and comprehensive for now, but things are only getting better Currently the site is down for maintenance, hopefully its a sign of more new products for us.
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don't pin too much hope on this site..
their IT team can produce a lot of Nice Websites, but many times, the webistes often run ino technical errors, and their websites are not here to stay, they change websites almost ever year!! Which isn't what a professional Business will do in fact. (Based on 2005-2007) they already changed 3 times..the sites are not here to stay at all..
sigh...Originally posted by helpdesk^^:If there are really more products available for exchange and it's competitive than it's really a emalling system. That's good news then.Too bad if your site is down then I can't view the product lines.... -
Blue_jamzz, stay on this forum when you quit your company.Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Hi, helpdesk. Our prodcuts range from electronics to beauty products, to appliances to food.
Currently my upline is the one specifically assigned to look for more distributors, wholesalers, or anyone with a product to offer at the lowest price to be place on our E-mall. As this thing just started last yr Aug, our products were merely, old NOP products like LUMIMI... some facial wash.. perfume, bird nest, fish essence...INITIALLY.
To my surprise, today when I went into the site in the afternoon, they already got E-ten, O2 atom/life, handphones, and PDA phones for exchange. They have added a few new health and facial care products in too... all I can say that his hardwork to make E-mall success is showing results. Though I dare not say our products are very attractive and comprehensive for now, but things are only getting better Currently the site is down for maintenance, hopefully its a sign of more new products for us.
Cheers.
Why dont you give us a daily account of your work to give us an insight? -
Hi Depo, I would love to give you a hind sight of my daily job but currently this is only my side line. Reason being i'm contract bound by my current company for a 6 years and I can't afford to quit now cos I will have to pay back all my salaries for the past 4 years. Next year will be my end of contract and I am building up my foundation now to go full time next year.
I'll try to stay around for as long as I can, even if I succeed, or fail, just for the pure sake of sharing. Base on my current perception, most people who post here are people whom have suffered losses or failed in the line, but you don't see people posting alot of success stories here. The fact is, all networking companies definately have a whole bunch of success people, but very often you don't see them post in the forums of their success. Either they can't be bothered cos they are already earning so much, or they see no point to fight.
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
Hi fallen, I'm really sorry to hear what has happened to you cos I know in reality, those things happened and alot of people suffered from their past projects. I had heard of all those past projects he has before and had no confidence in them, thus I did not join any of them in the past.
Maybe this time round, I hope it works..
Due to the first Em2All Website which was a Failure + President OVER PROMISED UNDER DELIVER thus my trust in this company and president is now to ZERO..and worse off - it's gone into negative value due to the so call investments...when NONE OF THE AGENTS inside are certified Acccountants nor Bankers nor Financial Planners.. Lol
sigh..so many people are taking this for real..
there's a lot of negative experience which i had of this company..thus I find it amusing that so many people are believing his ideas..and his money making methods, when most of the leaders have seen the high failure rate of he's projects...
all blinded by greed..
sigh..
wish you guys save up more before the game collaspes...
[b]Disclaimer : The above remarks are what I personally experienced, together with some of my other sidelines in other network back when we were still in that company...Thus it's a PERSONAL OPINION, Subjective..
I'm just sharing what I went through, and not to tee-down anyone, just stating the facts only..
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I admit that when I first join the company, I was taking a big gamble due to their past records and wasn't expecting much. But with my buddy in it and making up to the management level in recent months, and also a close friend whom both of them had follow James Phang through all his past projects, I got to know why their past projects failed and why the 2 of them are still following him. They were not earning much and neither were they of any high position before this event was launched. But they respected him for something he did for them which most people in or out of the company do not know. I do see the potential in the current event base on the positive updates and seeing results of the company for the past few months.
Like you, this is also only my personal opinion and just for people reference. Regardless, I'll continue to keep this forum update of any good and bad news of this event. Cheers~! -
I have to admit that some of their websites do have some technical problems and I agree that there is alot of movement of the websites especially the Emall one. There is some internal updates that I cannot reveal yet but all I can say is that the comapny is new, and kept improving its system and business, hence with the many changes. Be prepare to see a brand new Emall soon...Originally posted by the_fallen:don't pin too much hope on this site..
their IT team can produce a lot of Nice Websites, but many times, the webistes often run ino technical errors, and their websites are not here to stay, they change websites almost ever year!! Which isn't what a professional Business will do in fact. (Based on 2005-2007) they already changed 3 times..the sites are not here to stay at all..
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Now it is being conveyed that all this is just an online shopping scheme. Not a money making process. Quite different from what some so-called investors had been potraying it to be. I dare say some people who have already put their money into this feel cheated. Because they genuinely thought they were investing in Emcom Taiwan.
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+ 1Originally posted by SumOne:Now it is being conveyed that all this is just an online shopping scheme. Not a money making process. Quite different from what some so-called investors had been potraying it to be. I dare say some people who have already put their money into this feel cheated. Because they genuinely thought they were investing in Emcom Taiwan.
when i went to the presentation this few days for the 2nd time, i was sad to see so many elders pouring their hard earn savings into such a scheme.
it's really a pity that they choose to believe.
the marketing plan obviously for to attract only the greedy people with lot so $_$ being repeated
during the marketing plan sharing, they tell concept, tell how they earn, but didn't tell how THE MONEY THAT THEY INVESTED ARE BEING PUT TO USED!!
the online shopping mall is basically just a covering tool to mask the money scheme otherwise known as Money Game which is Illegeal.
Of course some may argue, in HDB Hub, that is correct, govt will check, but until they get concrete proof and a lot of testimonials of victims, this company is FREE TO DO ANYTHING UNTILL THEY ARE BEING CAUGHT.
As there's a saying - The Most Dangerous Place is the Most Safest Place.
If you think back, they emphasis on the Wireless, being a supllier of the teleco service, but than when it comes to recruiting members into the company, they switch to mall points,
Why Complete Jump, NO LINK.
Something Missing in between..
If anybody wants to know more, PM me with your:
1) Name (christan name/your actual name - Not your nick name in sgforum)
2) Hp
3) Email
4) Age:
5) Any mlm experience:
And I'll share more info on how to spot such illegeal schemes.
Any less particulars via PM will not be entertained at all.
Thanks bro, for highlighting the crucial point -the missing link. -
in summary, from emcom tech, in reality a empire com, a small setup?
a big misrepresentation?
a technology investments scheme and now mail points?
hoho, the stories are always interesting from nti
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Sigh.. please read my previous posting regarding your claim on the missing link.... Emcom and Sunshine Empire is under EGA, where Emcom is the telco company and Sunshine is the network marketing company all under EGA. Company uses earning from Sunshine to invest in Emcom where Emcom succeed, we will benefit too. Cos EGA earns money, Sunshine earns money and thus able to payout to merchants in Sunshine. Similarly, Sunshine users buy products from Emall, EGA also earns and thus able to payout also.
Regarding the misrepresentation I've already mentioned earlier in another post where I admit that there is alot of people in the company still misrepresenting the concept, especially when it first started and people dunno much, just want to chiong. Even I myself mispresented this concept earlier. But now things are clear but there still people who are not presenting it correctly.
Anyway, I am not here to argue or forcefully say that I'm right or wrong cos nobody knows until the future comes. Just want to bring out the correct concept to people. -
Thanks Blue_jamzz,Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Hi Depo, I would love to give you a hind sight of my daily job but currently this is only my side line. Reason being i'm contract bound by my current company for a 6 years and I can't afford to quit now cos I will have to pay back all my salaries for the past 4 years. Next year will be my end of contract and I am building up my foundation now to go full time next year.
I'll try to stay around for as long as I can, even if I succeed, or fail, just for the pure sake of sharing. Base on my current perception, most people who post here are people whom have suffered losses or failed in the line, but you don't see people posting alot of success stories here. The fact is, all networking companies definately have a whole bunch of success people, but very often you don't see them post in the forums of their success. Either they can't be bothered cos they are already earning so much, or they see no point to fight.
But of course, that is just MY perception.
I think we have seen enough of the MLM bish-bash in this forum. I think you will be the first among us that will give us a true insight.
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but its so far off from earlier stuff
u sure its mere misrepresentation and not change of plans?
where is this legacyman chap and the rest who gave those bullsheet last time?
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Disclaimer:
The follow thread Reply will be quite offensive, thus if there's any part of my Personal Opinions that upset/Offended you; I apologize first.
No harm intended, but just to share what I feel.
Save your explaination, the more you explain the more loopholes that I see in your company after reading the replies from you.
Carry on if you wish, and help me find more loopholes in your company.
Missing Link - Few months back when the videos just got flimmed and placed into the youtube and the trizzard something webby, the compensation plan back than was still at least logical despite the fact that they too are emphasising on wireless project.
They at least will show the lots and prices and than sell the lots accordingly, now I assume the city has finish the lot selling.
Thus for the time being, no more lots are being sold.
Thus investors ARE NOT INVESTING IN EMCOM, but RATHER PAYING MONEY to buy RUBBISH MALLPOINTS, GETTING INFERIOR PRODUCTS and SECOND HAND PRODUCTS online.
Why I say inferior - if you were to do REAL Tradittional Business, for those branded products and really effective products, even they other businesses wants to help being a Distributor of the products, the Supplier will not allow the distributors to change the packaging and sell it under the other name.. But what I know of your company is that they got the products, and the suppliers allowed your company to change. Strange?
1- IF the products are really good, than why the need to change?
2- Repackaging into a new product, give the products a new life, but there's more disadvantages rather than advantages. You don't know the supplier and manufacturer is from who and what ingredients it's made of (in case there's some people who are sensitive to certain substance)
3- When the supplier allows the product to be sold under another name, than it shows that the product is already not of quality products (thus they need a new image)
Example: Do you see any authorised dealers of handphones changing the HP model and design to sell it under their own name?
M1, Star-Hub, SingTel doesn't even allow the retailers to change anything.
That is an assurance and trust of creditablilty from the suppliers.
4- When the clients go into the company, do they show you the products or do they just talk to you about the plan, concept, without showing and telling of products, everything is just considered a Pyramid if there's no Products involved. So the reason why there's products is just to mask the money scheme concept which has being put in place all along ever since the start of LPS
5- Value for Money?
Ask yourself, how valuable are the products?
I took the aromatherapy and skin care to sell off, guess what the offered price was - less than $10 (this is for the bottle of the aroma-therapy) they don't accept esscence oil nor skin care.
So if you buy in, you can slowly redeem like what they say..but think...I am foolish to trust them once in the past of this Take Products Slowly Idea for our convenience. Than change another marketing plan, they didn't even remind us on the products left un-claimed...hopping silently that the customers will forget..
We have to BUG PESTER them inorder to get them to return us the products..
Note: They aren't even professional enough to have a past database records of the old orders and consumers...They don't look at current consumers and neither do they update us. The only way the earn is Recruiting MORE NEW PEOPLE.
As complaint get more and more, who can you guys recruit again?
Since there's no other way, than of course your person in-charge used the Greed Factor to make people trust them, since the products fail to attract consumers in. Thus they play the human head count to recruit people.
Do sales in your company is a gone case, I've tried it, and it like, don't even want to think about it. If there's no Sales in a Business, is that a real business. Recruitment is afterall a Human Head Game (without any sharing of products effectiveness) = Pyramid = Illegeal
Go think about it, and see if you can see it from another angle, only when you can see this from different perspective, than you will know what's really happening instead of foolishly following the crowd. If you follow you die (that's if you're in the industry of being a business - thumb of rule = Never Copy, be the leader)
This is what I learnt from PSC which other agents obviously didn't learnt, coz I walk in with a motive, I don't foolishly buy their ideas and trusting everythng.
Trust NoOne but yourself. In the business arena, its yourself and yourself, depending on others, you collaspe in no time. Use facts and observations to backup your views from different angles.
Why I'm able to know so much, coz I use different angles to think.
Did you?
Or did you just blindly follow the crowd in your company just like a Blind Rat going after the Cheese?
Summary (I'll give you a Short Simple Example)
Look around the WHOLE EARTH in every single different countries/states/cities.
Which Business Don't Make Profits Based on Physical Products which is Value for Money / Value for Service (Hotel Service and those similar services)
Are you paying for any services when you Invest?
No you're not!! In fact you didn't get any service from the agents.
You were told to like invest in the Emcom, but you are Paying for IT, yet you can't Use the services, instead you are paying and others are using it.
Foolish?
Short and Sweet.
Go think about it.
If you want me to list more disadvantages, do so at your own Risk by replying!
I'm not threatening you, but it's just that with every single reply that you made, it makes me brainstorm and found new bigger loop-holes, thanks for your help in helping me to find more loop-holes. Lol.Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Sigh.. please read my previous posting regarding your claim on the missing link.... Emcom and Sunshine Empire is under EGA, where Emcom is the telco company and Sunshine is the network marketing company all under EGA. Company uses earning from Sunshine to invest in Emcom where Emcom succeed, we will benefit too. Cos EGA earns money, Sunshine earns money and thus able to payout to merchants in Sunshine. Similarly, Sunshine users buy products from Emall, EGA also earns and thus able to payout also.
Regarding the misrepresentation I've already mentioned earlier in another post where I admit that there is alot of people in the company still misrepresenting the concept, especially when it first started and people dunno much, just want to chiong. Even I myself mispresented this concept earlier. But now things are clear but there still people who are not presenting it correctly.
Anyway, I am not here to argue or forcefully say that I'm right or wrong cos nobody knows until the future comes. Just want to bring out the correct concept to people. -
so the_fallen, you're saying that they aren't serious about their emalling business then?
well, if that's true, then that's not much to say about. emalling is definitely not easy. and if any company purports emalling system and continues to sell their emall membership and yet members cannot login etc etc... shoppers will lose confidence.
i really hoped that people did not sign up for the emalling scheme thinking it was an investment in emcom taiwan as there were some posts earlier that suggested so and even more so that emcom even have similar sounding website names as the bona fide emcom group in taiwan.
i believe there must have been quite a number of misrepresentation that went on. even Blue_Jazz said he mis-presented prior.... Otherwise, if the numbers concerned aren't that many, i don't think it will make it to the Alert Lists..... -
Question is, you sure quantity of participants is the issue, rather than strength of the scheme?Originally posted by helpdesk^^:Otherwise, if the numbers concerned aren't that many, i don't think it will make it to the Alert Lists..... -
my guess would be that numbers of complaints would make authorities sit up and notice and thus action and put such schemes in the ALert List. If it's strength of scheme, probably they would have taken more concrete steps than just "alert".... my thoughts.Originally posted by laurence82:Question is, you sure quantity of participants is the issue, rather than strength of the scheme?