Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!
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i invested 10k got back 10600 in 7 months, see it in the point of fix deposit and stuff, still waiting for the tenth of this month, will keep this forum updated of my returns
anyway i won't go beg even if i have no money, you have no pride, and you beg on the roads only get 600 in 2 months.. my you must be pathetic, but you probably get arrested in a few days, you can try if you really have no pride
anyway i agree with all the suspicion, lucky i get back my capital already, perhaps now is not the right time to put in any more money till i c more evidence.. i'm a neutral party -
you have better advise your downlines/sidelines whatever lines or people and friends whom you intro them in, or any people you know who invested in this scheme, to come read the posts over here, and tell them to stop investing and PRAY HARD that they don't collaspe before they get back their dividends.Originally posted by jonzibonzi:i invested 10k got back 10600 in 7 months, see it in the point of fix deposit and stuff, still waiting for the tenth of this month, will keep this forum updated of my returns
anyway i won't go beg even if i have no money, you have no pride, and you beg on the roads only get 600 in 2 months.. my you must be pathetic, but you probably get arrested in a few days, you can try if you really have no pride
anyway i agree with all the suspicion, lucky i get back my capital already, perhaps now is not the right time to put in any more money till i c more evidence.. i'm a neutral party -
Yup, I'll Tell them to caution, why i don't condamn it is because i see some potential and if it works, they may scold me cause they didn't open more gp,
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don, no point telling them all this which is based on your point of view ~.~, you are just giving them something more to say only... -_-, anyway, i would really love to see a debate session, where the anti-sunshine empire against the senior management from sunshine empire. =]Originally posted by jonzibonzi:Yup, I'll Tell them to caution, why i don't condamn it is because i see some potential and if it works, they may scold me cause they didn't open more gp,
if emcom failed, they will be happy de ( don know why they so wanting the project to fail =x).
if emcom succeeded, i think this thread will still be around but less active, lets say if there is a earthquake the wireless connection is down,so the discussion will be pro-active again XD!!!
btw,where is the thread starter? =x -
can you kindly REPHASE your reply as per above?Originally posted by jonzibonzi:Yup, I'll Tell them to caution, why i don't condamn it is because i see some potential and if it works, they may scold me cause they didn't open more gp,
You post has no link in the 1st and 2nd half respectively.
btw, piece of advice for you..
don't play with fire..
sooner or later, you will get burnt. -
Disclaimer:Originally posted by mihiro:don, no point telling them all this which is based on your point of view ~.~, you are just giving them something more to say only... -_-, anyway, i would really love to see a debate session, where the anti-sunshine empire against the senior management from sunshine empire. =]
if emcom failed, they will be happy de ( don know why they so wanting the project to fail =x).
if emcom succeeded, i think this thread will still be around but less active, lets say if there is a earthquake the wireless connection is down,so the discussion will be pro-active again XD!!!
btw,where is the thread starter? =x
The following reply is just what I feel personally, and I mean no offence.
I just like to point out the flaws and try to correct it asap, thus should you find any flaws in me/my replies to date, kindly give me feedbacks, thank you.
This might be offending, but it's for you to learn.
You love to see a debate, that's childish and immature I would say.
If you want to see debates, even the slightest disagreement can lead to a debate. It happens everyday, are you not sick of seeing debating?
You like to be nagged at?
Oops..
No Matter whatever we do, there will be both Positive & Negative Feedback*, lets be adults here, we are just sharing different pointers, and to date my pointers have logic behind it, and it's supported by facts and those facts are happening and being taught in schools.
Thus I don't see any possibility of it becoming an debate, unless there's a person who wants to pick a bone from an fried egg.
I hope you get what I mean.
After reading again, I feel that you're here in this thread just as a passer-by wanting to see the fun element only, if that's what you want, than I am sorry but to disappoint you, There Will Not Be Any Debate For You To Make Fun Of!.
We will do it the professional way, via just sharing and discussing.
Example* (I will use me for example to avoid offending ppl):
I'm a student, always scoring low pointers for tests, always slack and play.
People, classmates and parents see me as useless, than when it's time for graduation examinations, I top the score chat, than people will doubt my results, and blackname me etc, some even point fingers at me..
But who knows what I did to get that results?
Daily intensive midnight studying since day 1 of entering school, thus everytime go class, tired, restless thus can't concentrate and have bad grades.
After 4yrs, completed 4 yrs of intensive studies, than took sufficient rest, and is the scholar in sch.
Surprise?
But who really knows whats the reason behind?
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ok ok.... you did not say explicitly that it was an investment scheme ok... what you said just like beat around the bush big time and then... ta-da... implies that it is an investment scheme....Originally posted by human traffic:human traffic has just shared that Sunshine is in effect an investment company......
hello when did i say is a investment scheme!!!! ...whhat dah u..u on the forum for too long read too much rubbish...your eyes blur ah!!!
yea u can say i am part of the rubbish....and i can say all this are rubbish
is not an investment!!!! dah...why on the list cause too many people have join and when the company is so big u cannot control what our distributer says...yea yea on the list we are waiting for them to take action..and since u guys say that mr james phang is a scam then why no one wana take action?
hello anyone there please report to the autorities about this..pleass
i wish someone will take some action against us then u guys will jus shut up...i am waiting pls come and sue the hell out of us pls come...i dare u!!!
jus like i CAN tell u samsung plasma is the best and panasonic is rubbish..but the fact is panasonic is better..but then again i didnt mention which model of plasma for u to compare...
we are waiting jus come guys!!!
my opinion only.... -
rebate from Sunshine Empire Gold Partner
10-05-2007
805.77 USD
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Went down to Toa payoh office today, at 4pm there are at least 50 people queueing up to buy GP, queue too long i lazy to queue so didn't buy, but omg i heard from my friend min in today they have around 500 gp purchased, SCARY!
I just intro a few friends to this GP thing, and i made 3000us in that week... Easy money! anyway any one againts this project have anything to say? please state, thanks.. i want to know if i'm doing the right thing.. -
oh god, i forsee more troubleOriginally posted by jonzibonzi:Went down to Toa payoh office today, at 4pm there are at least 50 people queueing up to buy GP, queue too long i lazy to queue so didn't buy, but omg i heard from my friend min in today they have around 500 gp purchased, SCARY!
I just intro a few friends to this GP thing, and i made 3000us in that week... Easy money! anyway any one againts this project have anything to say? please state, thanks.. i want to know if i'm doing the right thing..
if you want, than meet up, I'll share with you what I know. -
just say lah, let the whole world know, What for keep it a secret if you feel its right
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I will not share with people who have no interest.Originally posted by jonzibonzi:just say lah, let the whole world know, What for keep it a secret if you feel its right
If you are really keen, than meet, if not you'll suffer the consequences in future yourself.
I also have being sharing about the loopholes of this scheme many times, if you want to view my post, go to page 15 & 17 of this thread.
BTW, I have added 3 more suspicious pointers into the thread reply of page 17, kindly do read up.
If you want to know more on why I say those things and why I forsee More Trouble Ahead, than Meet.
Like I said MANY MANY TIMES - I will only share with those interested (by which I mean responsible to meet to at least meet up thus people CAN'T hide behind the curtains of INTERNET.
I did mention a few times in other threads that my purpose is not to recruit but rather share my own experience and what I learnt over the years.
To help or to kill yourself (in terms of trust and relationship with your friends = reputation) is up to you to decide.
I have already extended my Helping Hand, if you choose to reject it, I will not lose nor gain anything.
To lose/gain is up to you personally. -
your post is posted at 12may, if am not wrong, isnt it there is a rally going on at singapore expo(saw the poster)? so how are u suppose to see ppl at toa payoh office on 12 may o_0?Originally posted by jonzibonzi:Went down to Toa payoh office today, at 4pm there are at least 50 people queueing up to buy GP, queue too long i lazy to queue so didn't buy, but omg i heard from my friend min in today they have around 500 gp purchased, SCARY!
I just intro a few friends to this GP thing, and i made 3000us in that week... Easy money! anyway any one againts this project have anything to say? please state, thanks.. i want to know if i'm doing the right thing.. -
I think if u look at the time of his post is 12 may 07 1am++Originally posted by mihiro:your post is posted at 12may, if am not wrong, isnt it there is a rally going on at singapore expo(saw the poster)? so how are u suppose to see ppl at toa payoh office on 12 may o_0?
so his today meant 11 may 07 friday..
think he lost sense of time already... -
Been reading the few replies. Found out something that most of you guys are unaware.
If you sign up with Sunshine, you are an independent distributor. You are NOT an agent of Sunshine. Go read the T&C on their website. If you are not an agent, you cannot represent the company that you are 'working' for.
Previously in NOP/NTI, all the people are agents. Agents' words are words of the companies. Thats why people who sell insurance are agents. Do take note of that. -
ermm... may i know sunshine empire doing wad now?
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thanks for highlighting this issue.Originally posted by mrleech:Been reading the few replies. Found out something that most of you guys are unaware.
If you sign up with Sunshine, you are an independent distributor. You are NOT an agent of Sunshine. Go read the T&C on their website. If you are not an agent, you cannot represent the company that you are 'working' for.
Previously in NOP/NTI, all the people are agents. Agents' words are words of the companies. Thats why people who sell insurance are agents. Do take note of that.
that leaves me with another suspicion again
New Suspicion
#1
This is a Loud & Clear Message that this company isn't held responsible of whatever they (indenpendent distributors) promised verbally (EMPTY PROMISES) in case they fail to earn the income or in the event the company collaspe, and they have no one to turn to get back their money.
Now you guys and girls know all the distributors of the company are just MAKING EMPTY PROMISES as they assure their friends that they will earn the money. LOL
Thus when you join this company, you are alone, what ever you say, you need to have the MONEY to return back to the people who join and if they can't get the profits, than you have to fork out on your own. The company will not give you a single penny to compenstate for your LOST!!
Thus there isn't any assurance from the company.
A company that doesn't hold responsibility for their distributors, well what more can I say?
They are pushing all the blame to the so-call 'independent distributors' so their hands are clean, and in the event should this scheme fails, I forsee many lawsuits against those people who recommend their friends and relatives into this company fighting against one another just over their investments.
New Suspicion #2
Now it make sense, the other day why the fren of mine refuse to let me take the form back to consider, so this is the reason why they don't want us to fully go through the form. And they just keep using money and greed to push people to sign without them knowing what they are signing. (Although they said they can take the form go HDB Hub and ask lawyer, but they don't even allow the people to take it out of the office how to verify it? HAHA, another Suspicion Noted - That's 2nd new pointer of suspicion already)
Do take note: Money is a dangerous tool, a lot of people can sue each other in court just over a few grands of money.
So all along, those 'agents' are just poor souls on their own without them knowing it. And the company didn't even accept the people as their agents, now this is worse than a normal sales job, at least they still can have the company to fall back on, but these poor souls in this company, they have no one to depend on and only on themselves yet they are so happy to be in the office. LOL.
Now girls and guys, for those who undertstand what I mean in this thread reply, than get out of the company asap. If you need reasons, meet up with me, I can give you more than enough reasons why you should GET OUT OF THIS COMPANY ASAP!! -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
you are contradicting your self with this (thus people CAN'T hide behind the curtains of INTERNET)
I will not share with people who have no interest.
If you are really keen, than meet, if not you'll suffer the consequences in future yourself.
I also have being sharing about the loopholes of this scheme many times, if you want to view my post, go to [b]page 15 & 17 of this thread.
BTW, I have added 3 more suspicious pointers into the thread reply of page 17, kindly do read up.
If you want to know more on why I say those things and why I forsee More Trouble Ahead, than Meet.
Like I said MANY MANY TIMES - I will only share with those interested (by which I mean responsible to meet to at least meet up thus people CAN'T hide behind the curtains of INTERNET.
I did mention a few times in other threads that my purpose is not to recruit but rather share my own experience and what I learnt over the years.
To help or to kill yourself (in terms of trust and relationship with your friends = reputation) is up to you to decide.
I have already extended my Helping Hand, if you choose to reject it, I will not lose nor gain anything.
To lose/gain is up to you personally.[/b]
Aren't you doing the same, if you aren't you would have tried to meet the management or filed a police case instead of posting on a forum where most readers are just young kids. NO Offense
and all you can post are suspicions!, i want facts! please help me out bro, thanks! -
Blur look.Originally posted by jonzibonzi:you are contradicting your self with this (thus people CAN'T hide behind the curtains of INTERNET)
Aren't you doing the same, if you aren't you would have tried to meet the management or filed a police case instead of posting on a forum where most readers are just young kids. NO Offense
and all you can post are suspicions!, i want facts! please help me out bro, thanks!
did i contradict myself?
i have always requested to meet people to discuss face to face.
with regards to reporting to police or media, i don't need to update in this forum, i don't want to have the people be on alert so when they go there, they will still say their big words and continue to blow their trumpet thinking people will believe them.
for your information:
this thread are most kids, BUT those people whom I met to date are all either of nearing 20 yrs old if not older than me who knows what they are doing, don't ignore those minority who knows about mlm.
it doesn't mean that they don't post reply such frequent like me than it means that they aren't there as readers. it's only that those people will only reply to meet people who knows their stuff.
my thread replies in this thread is to give warning to all
meetting up is to show BLACK AND WHITE!!
If you want FACTS, than meet, as the facts are not for the faint-hearted. -
When? why don't i meet u at toapayoh itself, i ask one of the manager there to see your facts can
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Disclaimer:Originally posted by jonzibonzi:When? why don't i meet u at toapayoh itself, i ask one of the manager there to see your facts can
The following reply is just a personal opinion based on what I know and have done some reasearch as well as NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS!! Should you feel offended, I hereby say sorry before hand.
did you read my thread reply?
read the chinese words clearly!
i believe that should be a clear indication that my answer is no.
u mention that you personally need to seek help to verify and solve your own problems and queries, now why is there a Mgr being pulled into the picture?
lol.
if you want to help yourself than meet, i see no purpose in meeting up a mgr from this company when i can just go talk to my own ex mgr in there myself if i want to..
reason why i don't meet the managers there simple - they have no proper investment knowledge at all. Anyone with real investment knowledge at least the basic will not be believe such schemes. Go do your own research if you want to.
Moreover-I mentioned LOTS AND LOTS OF TIMES!!!
DON'T MAKE ME REPEAT IT AGAIN. I HELP ONLY PPL WHO WANTS TO BE HELP,
you get a mgr in who's up to just defend who is closed up and refuse to listen, how to have a healthy discussion?
if you want to help yourself, go do more homework or you meet me personally. I will not entertain any CLOSED UP people. Meeting such people is a complete WASTE of my time in debating (i went to their office before and want to discuss with them, but rather THEY ONLY TALK AND TALK, don't even give me the chance to talk when I WANT TO, and to make matters worse, THEY EVEN INTERRUPT ME for goodness seek. How professional are they?
They aren't even good listeners to begin with let alone mentioning them self-proclaiming themselves as training company for consultation or something similar. Always have nice Rank Names but there are just as shallow when I just focus on the VERY BASICS* of dealing in business when i question them.
Try asking a Successful Businessman with real tradditional businesses overseas to go listen to them if you have any, and see their reactions. You'll be suprised if you're able to find that.
I'm able to come up with so many suspicious pointers because I do make it a point to listen to anyone and everyone to get a balanced view.
but if you were to think, they have being trained to believe whatever their doing is real, if they are doing the real thing, than can they buy OVER A BANK AND SET UP A BANK INSTEAD?
if theirs is really so good, why aren't the banks on the verge of collasping soon? they can talk big, but they can't hide facts when i know of.
If the investment scheme is really so good, why is it still so silent?
No HEADLINE NEWS FROM THE PRESS?
If it's good, ask yourself why aren't there any media coverage nor intereviews?
why do they only post it in youtube only.
why don't they ALLOW REPORTERS TO GO QUESTION THEM?
good things always goes to the media to be reported, but why aren't they being in news yet?
use your brain to think, look and find out more on the company's negative history first before you decide if your money are in 'good hands'.
I'm not hinting that you're not using your brain, but rather think and look at things from different angles and you will learn much much more.
If you still want to meet, than do so with a open mind and not with a Half Open Mind to Defend your company just because you have break even and might have earn profits by now. -
ok ok.... you did not say explicitly that it was an investment scheme ok... what you said just like beat around the bush big time and then... ta-da... implies that it is an investment scheme....
my opinion only....
beat around the bush???
tell me or explain to me how i beat around the bush..yes your opinion..but pls think with yr mind abt wat i said then think about your opinion!!
i told u is not an invesment but a few of our members when doin they own presentation to their customers saying is an invesment which is against our company poilcy!!...company politics i suppose..anywhere u work u face some black sheep in the company.
take a look at our website which we already state that this is not an invesment..and if anyone caught will be seriously dealt with!!
anyway i am seriously hoping that someone will come challenge us!!
if all of u in this forum thinks that our company is a scam!! i dare u all!!!
come and do something about us!! and stop whining, bitching like a bitch!
in sunshine we always show why our company is better than others by telling our customers about our plan and project ..AND we will never say negative things abt other networking company!! ..thats why up till today theres still so many other MLM comapny distributor joining us!
cause they respect mr james phang and what he has for build for us!!
even X NOP failures join our company after they realise what exatly happen to NOP!
i wish all u negative ppl out there to have an open mind and a successfull life!
and pls if u really hate us then come challenge us!! -
Wow, this is still going on.
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Originally posted by human traffic:
go read up on all my previous postings in this thread and another 2 other NTI threads if you want more explaination.
[b]ok ok.... you did not say explicitly that it was an investment scheme ok... what you said just like beat around the bush big time and then... ta-da... implies that it is an investment scheme....
my opinion only....
beat around the bush???
tell me or explain to me how i beat around the bush..yes your opinion..but pls think with yr mind abt wat i said then think about your opinion!!
i told u is not an invesment but a few of our members when doin they own presentation to their customers saying is an invesment which is against our company poilcy!!...company politics i suppose..anywhere u work u face some black sheep in the company.
take a look at our website which we already state that this is not an invesment..and if anyone caught will be seriously dealt with!!
anyway i am seriously hoping that someone will come challenge us!!
if all of u in this forum thinks that our company is a scam!! i dare u all!!!
come and do something about us!! and stop whining, bitching like a bitch!
in sunshine we always show why our company is better than others by telling our customers about our plan and project ..AND we will never say negative things abt other networking company!! ..thats why up till today theres still so many other MLM comapny distributor joining us!
cause they respect mr james phang and what he has for build for us!!
even X NOP failures join our company after they realise what exatly happen to NOP!
i wish all u negative ppl out there to have an open mind and a successfull life!
and pls if u really hate us then come challenge us!! [/b]
do you mean a few OR A BIG GROUP of independent black sheep distributors?
4 times in a role, different presentors, different networks, all said the same thing. Ironic isn't it?
than they too tee-down on other mlm companies too in front of me..sigh..
if you don't even know what's going on in either your own/other networks, than don't assume that you know.
I will not be so childish to fall into your pit and argue/debate with you, whatever I said, I still hold on to them.
Want than Meet 1-1 if you have what it takes to discuss, I'm not here to debate nor challenge you guys.
Don't come online and brag so much like you know a lot, want than meet up and discuss, I didn't say debate, do take note! I will discuss with you if you can produce those documents, if you have No Black & White, than Keep Quiet.
Or if you want to look at my documents, than you come and meet me!
Only uncivilized and un-educated ppl will challenge you all who are refusing to look into the details of the MLM Singapore LAW as stated by Laurence82 in the other thred. (I've copied it here for your convenience.)Originally posted by laurence82:
Is the WHOLE COMPANY black sheep than if you were to look at the blue color words. None of you people focus on products with quality, instead you all focus on concept and ideas, selling a few piece of papers and words for a few Thousands? Lol. I'll be a fool if i am tricked again by you all.
From Ministry of Trade and Industry website, which regulate the MLM Act
6. What were the amendments made in 2001 to the Exclusion Order?
The Exclusion Order 2001 continued to maintain that insurance companies and master franchises would be excluded from the MLM Act.
However, it also introduced the following rules for direct selling companies:
* Behavioural checks - The companies must not misrepresent the scheme as get-rich-quick opportunities, and should not use fraud, coercion, harassment, or unconscionable means to force people to join the scheme. Instead, the companies should focus their efforts on promoting the quality and features of the products. [b]If a company wishes to show potential participants the earning potential, they must keep records of the maximum, minimum, mean, mode and median earnings of their salespeople in the past.
[for your information: I am an ex-Agent OF NTI, unlike you, just a normal independent distributor that the company doesn't care about. I can go back anytime but I choose not to.]
If you can't produce those records, the keep quiet.
Lost for WORDS now?
Only when you can provide those stated in Singapore Law, than you come and blow your big trumpet okay? -
LOL. I see no use to even meet their managers. How many are really of substance? I overheard someone on today commenting of the rally at Expo on Sunday.
"You know ah, Sunday I was at expo. Saw so many ginas wearing shirt, tie, suits... Wanna act big, but no substance."
Hmm.. interesting right? Want respect? Then earn it.
Anyway FYI, I spoke to Jacky before when he was still some Regional Director or something in NTI. He dun seem too knowledgable enough to be the MD. At least thats what I feel.