Repost: Sunshine Empire
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if am not responding, i wont try to use your word against you, basically i can duplicate wat u said, and it do make sense.Originally posted by laurence82:not responding to the issues and already needing to copy my post?
urm ok...so be it
sometimes i put too much damning points it shut people up
sigh
well, ya, i agree with you, so be it.
"The conclusion of the debate is useful actually"
.. erm, now u are actually saying something which is obviously not true, i don think this "debate" is not by any way useful in any sense for the case :/. More of keeping this thread going, then some personal opinion against someone along the way
I am not defending for him at all, or did i? i have seen the article here, the way he speak his stuff convinced those ppl that even called him "father" in a sort of serious manner. one friend came to me telling me about his "father", questioned him, but he is fully obsessed.
Of course as usual you would think i am one of them(still don know why, uncle mindset i guess, never say defeat)
As for mr jp, not really sure about him, people over here describe him as a devil man, se ppl describe him as saint. CAD there also no news. -
He's nothing but a cult fatherOriginally posted by mihiro:if am not responding, i wont try to use your word against you, basically i can duplicate wat u said, and it do make sense.
well, ya, i agree with you, so be it.
"The conclusion of the debate is useful actually"
.. erm, now u are actually saying something which is obviously not true, i don think this "debate" is not by any way useful in any sense for the case :/. More of keeping this thread going, then some personal opinion against someone along the way
I am not defending for him at all, or did i? i have seen the article here, the way he speak his stuff convinced those ppl that even called him "father" in a sort of serious manner. one friend came to me telling me about his "father", questioned him, but he is fully obsessed.
Of course as usual you would think i am one of them(still don know why, uncle mindset i guess, never say defeat)
As for mr jp, not really sure about him, people over here describe him as a devil man, se ppl describe him as saint. CAD there also no news. -
you cant make use of my word against me, because my points have been accurate and concise, this is the reason whyOriginally posted by mihiro:if am not responding, i wont try to use your word against you, basically i can duplicate wat u said, and it do make sense.
well, ya, i agree with you, so be it.
"The conclusion of the debate is useful actually"
.. erm, now u are actually saying something which is obviously not true, i don think this "debate" is not by any way useful in any sense for the case :/. More of keeping this thread going, then some personal opinion against someone along the way
I am not defending for him at all, or did i? i have seen the article here, the way he speak his stuff convinced those ppl that even called him "father" in a sort of serious manner. one friend came to me telling me about his "father", questioned him, but he is fully obsessed.
Of course as usual you would think i am one of them(still don know why, uncle mindset i guess, never say defeat)
As for mr jp, not really sure about him, people over here describe him as a devil man, se ppl describe him as saint. CAD there also no news.
as for using my words, its because you could no longer defend your points and go monkeying around by duplicating other people's words, i am not sure why you would do that, i dont understand the business of monkeying anyway
the debate is quite useful because its reiterates and strengthen my points from the beginning
the points are so damning no one can answer for SE, answer the points or rise up to the challenges
and so far its been proven through, since no agent nor its defender could do so, seems the only excuse is 'ask mr ignious yong' 'ask mr jp' 'ask management'
its raise the issue of investors awareness of the products or schemes they invest in or something outsiders cannot defend
ok not defending for anyone..so i guess you are not defending SE against people's negative opinions, you are not defending SE agent against fear of lawsuits rather than highlighting the agents ignorance..so on and so forth
better try next time, but it doesnt convince me
i never said you would be 100% one of them, which is why for the second time i request you do read my previous post before that..i guess its your uncle mindset...
again, my points have been concise and accurate, so there isnt any issue if someone is asked to read properly before shaming himself
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Seeing is believing? Not the truth?Originally posted by mihiro:As for mr jp, not really sure about him, people over here describe him as a devil man, se ppl describe him as saint. CAD there also no news.
this man.....everyone believe him is a saint, caring, kind and will lead those who believed in him into heavens....in the end....he did....poisoned everyone when his plot can no longer sustain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
So whether JP is good or bad, we cant tell from SE Phase, he might "make it" but from his past....all flung....you know i know.
But most of us try to warn most people who had visited this forum. Now time will the truth, but when time "speaks" its always too late.
So it will be you own judgment, if you're free, read those past and present NTI thread in most of the online forums....those who brag how great was JP or his Affiliates......were no longer be seen. -
Now got new one mah... e-cashier????
Headed by CHINADREAM mastercard scams disciple of JP... known as PANGHUI
Now another storm is coming to SGP... dunno how many ppl gonna die again.
Like i say stop the e-bullshit... and stop being an EDIOT(e-idiot)
James Phang is convincing but he use in wrong way....
Any way to each its own.... but when SE agents wake up they will regret but of cos they will still seek for other avenue to fulfil GREED and LAZINESS
Dun want to do but want money......
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you cant make use of my word against me, because my points have been accurate and concise, this is the reason why
(i did it for many times already... :/)
as for using my words, its because you could no longer defend your points and go monkeying around by duplicating other people's words, i am not sure why you would do that, i dont understand the business of monkeying anyway
(i say my own point you refute it , again then u refute again, so i'll try anther method, see how it goes. monkeying? isnt monkey an intelligence animal which is proven by science? The method of monekying is used in our daily life though, see and learn. )
the debate is quite useful because its reiterates and strengthen my points from the beginning
(strengthen to wat extend? Properly whenever someone ask question strengthen your point. i c...)
the points are so damning no one can answer for SE, answer the points or rise up to the challenges
(i don think i mentioned anything about " if you do not know, then do not...." or giving any evidence to prove anything, more of coming after you. hah.)
and so far its been proven through, since no agent nor its defender could do so, seems the only excuse is 'ask mr ignious yong' 'ask mr jp' 'ask management'
(no agent nor defender could do so? u have seen each and everyone of them?)
its raise the issue of investors awareness of the products or schemes they invest in or something outsiders cannot defend
(outsider defend for wat? maybe the topics interest him or her, so join in for discussion. This thread never say only the defender and the attacker can speak.)
ok not defending for anyone..so i guess you are not defending SE against people's negative opinions, you are not defending SE agent against fear of lawsuits rather than highlighting the agents ignorance..so on and so forth
(for once u are correct there, am consciously telling u that i am not defending for them.,just that u think that way, or u thought that guessing and asking question is part of defending?)
better try next time, but it doesnt convince me
(you too,try harder next time, it doesnt convince me either.)
i never said you would be 100% one of them, which is why for the second time i request you do read my previous post before that..i guess its your uncle mindset...
(well, for the first few post you assumed it is, then after a few post later, you give a second thought. if i rememberd correctly, i did say something like "surprisingly that etc etc etc")
again, my points have been concise and accurate, so there isnt any issue if someone is asked to read properly before shaming himself
(Concise and accurate? don think so ba,from what i seen is you twist and diverge alot of ur point as well, and of course, u can deny =]. I prefer wat Mrleech opinion =].)
*shrugs*
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if not convincing how the heck ppl call him "father" hahaOriginally posted by AVG:James Phang is convincing but he use in wrong way....
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It's like how Hitler managed to use his authority to get his soldiers to carry out Holocaust, its like how Mao Zhedong, Saparmurat Niyazov, Kim Il Sung made themselves gods in their own country, when their citizens suffer in silence.Originally posted by mihiro:if not convincing how the heck ppl call him "father" haha
Phang Wah is very infamous for carrying out so many scams, and yet somehow they're still people believing in him. Satan worship? It's very scary. -
Anyone knows how high is the latest monetary payout?
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got proof that you can use my words against me? not just how often you did it, but are you able to in the first place?Originally posted by mihiro:you cant make use of my word against me, because my points have been accurate and concise, this is the reason why
(i did it for many times already... :/)
as for using my words, its because you could no longer defend your points and go monkeying around by duplicating other people's words, i am not sure why you would do that, i dont understand the business of monkeying anyway
(i say my own point you refute it , again then u refute again, so i'll try anther method, see how it goes. monkeying? isnt monkey an intelligence animal which is proven by science? The method of monekying is used in our daily life though, see and learn. )
the debate is quite useful because its reiterates and strengthen my points from the beginning
(strengthen to wat extend? Properly whenever someone ask question strengthen your point. i c...)
the points are so damning no one can answer for SE, answer the points or rise up to the challenges
(i don think i mentioned anything about " if you do not know, then do not...." or giving any evidence to prove anything, more of coming after you. hah.)
and so far its been proven through, since no agent nor its defender could do so, seems the only excuse is 'ask mr ignious yong' 'ask mr jp' 'ask management'
(no agent nor defender could do so? u have seen each and everyone of them?)
its raise the issue of investors awareness of the products or schemes they invest in or something outsiders cannot defend
(outsider defend for wat? maybe the topics interest him or her, so join in for discussion. This thread never say only the defender and the attacker can speak.)
ok not defending for anyone..so i guess you are not defending SE against people's negative opinions, you are not defending SE agent against fear of lawsuits rather than highlighting the agents ignorance..so on and so forth
(for once u are correct there, am consciously telling u that i am not defending for them.,just that u think that way, or u thought that guessing and asking question is part of defending?)
better try next time, but it doesnt convince me
(you too,try harder next time, it doesnt convince me either.)
i never said you would be 100% one of them, which is why for the second time i request you do read my previous post before that..i guess its your uncle mindset...
(well, for the first few post you assumed it is, then after a few post later, you give a second thought. if i rememberd correctly, i did say something like "surprisingly that etc etc etc")
again, my points have been concise and accurate, so there isnt any issue if someone is asked to read properly before shaming himself
(Concise and accurate? don think so ba,from what i seen is you twist and diverge alot of ur point as well, and of course, u can deny =]. I prefer wat Mrleech opinion =].)
*shrugs*
(haiz...)
what it was strengthened was mentioned explicitly, please go reread my posts
if not please do not malign people
dont understand your third point, please put effort in the articulation of your thoughts
so was there any agent that could rise to the occasion and challenge the points?
i do not know why outsiders would defend, maybe you could ask yourself..i would suggest they do it because of something along the line of trolling or ignorance
not defending for them? even worse....no one really can defend SE, even from a neutral POV
i laid the points, you chose not to be convinced, rather than proactively refuting them and not be convinced..different context
i did not assume, you assume that i assume
i am concise and accurate till someone could prove me wrong, rather than merely making statements...this is the logic behind behind it all
cheers
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Let's stick to the topic boys and girls
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got proof that you can use my words against me? not just how often you did it, but are you able to in the first place?
(yes, "your" word against you -_-, erm, maybe we mean in a different way)
what it was strengthened was mentioned explicitly, please go reread my posts
(not really sure how it was strengthened along the way when what we discussed is totally off topic.)
if not please do not malign people
(you did that in the first place thou , reread the post ba.)
dont understand your third point, please put effort in the articulation of your thoughts
(pardon me, forgotten to add " and bla bla bla" to finish the sentence, didnt want to make the phrase too long. well, maybe to you no one can answer for SE, but if you are pointing at me then you will be sorry, i am not even trying to answer for them :/)
so was there any agent that could rise to the occasion and challenge the points?
(so have you tried all the possible method or alternative to get the answer you want to know?)
i do not know why outsiders would defend, maybe you could ask yourself..i would suggest they do it because of something along the line of trolling or ignorance
(That's the question posted to you, if i remembered correctly you said "or something outsiders cannot defend" so that is why i asked why do the outsider need to make the trouble to defend?)
not defending for them? even worse....no one really can defend SE, even from a neutral POV
(not sure what is POV, and once again, a neutral person need to defend meh? never did i defend nor against.)
i laid the points, you chose not to be convinced, rather than proactively refuting them and not be convinced..different context
( i laid the points too, you choose not to be convince =D)
i did not assume, you assume that i assume
(you assumed right in the first place from this "debate?", based on the person speech to determine whether or not he or she a se agent. reread your post)
i am concise and accurate till someone could prove me wrong, rather than merely making statements...this is the logic behind behind it all
( prove you wrong?.. erm is like trying to ask a 1 yr old to study psychology, as far as i can know, u have been a warrior for this thread, *clap clap*i mean in a good way, a compliment )
cheers
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its getting interesting XD!!Originally posted by Rigante:Let's stick to the topic boys and girls
else continue the debate in another thread
anyway, i saw the picture of progression for de property, few of them were smoking.... not good :/ , need to choose a better photographer, to uphold their image. -
Nothing can save their image nowOriginally posted by mihiro:its getting interesting XD!!
anyway, i saw the picture of progression for de property, few of them were smoking.... not good :/ , need to choose a better photographer, to uphold their image.
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Thank you for this constructive contributionOriginally posted by mihiro:its getting interesting XD!!
anyway, i saw the picture of progression for de property, few of them were smoking.... not good :/ , need to choose a better photographer, to uphold their image.
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again, got proof you can use my words against me, since you are the first chap to moot this silly idea that you have done so?Originally posted by mihiro:got proof that you can use my words against me? not just how often you did it, but are you able to in the first place?
(yes, "your" word against you -_-, erm, maybe we mean in a different way)
what it was strengthened was mentioned explicitly, please go reread my posts
(not really sure how it was strengthened along the way when what we discussed is totally off topic.)
if not please do not malign people
(you did that in the first place thou , reread the post ba.)
dont understand your third point, please put effort in the articulation of your thoughts
(pardon me, forgotten to add " and bla bla bla" to finish the sentence, didnt want to make the phrase too long. well, maybe to you no one can answer for SE, but if you are pointing at me then you will be sorry, i am not even trying to answer for them :/)
so was there any agent that could rise to the occasion and challenge the points?
(so have you tried all the possible method or alternative to get the answer you want to know?)
i do not know why outsiders would defend, maybe you could ask yourself..i would suggest they do it because of something along the line of trolling or ignorance
(That's the question posted to you, if i remembered correctly you said "or something outsiders cannot defend" so that is why i asked why do the outsider need to make the trouble to defend?)
not defending for them? even worse....no one really can defend SE, even from a neutral POV
(not sure what is POV, and once again, a neutral person need to defend meh? never did i defend nor against.)
i laid the points, you chose not to be convinced, rather than proactively refuting them and not be convinced..different context
( i laid the points too, you choose not to be convince =D)
i did not assume, you assume that i assume
(you assumed right in the first place from this "debate?", based on the person speech to determine whether or not he or she a se agent. reread your post)
i am concise and accurate till someone could prove me wrong, rather than merely making statements...this is the logic behind behind it all
( prove you wrong?.. erm is like trying to ask a 1 yr old to study psychology, as far as i can know, u have been a warrior for this thread, *clap clap*i mean in a good way, a compliment )
cheers
cheers to you too =D ( will be back to sg in 1 month, cya)
let me repeat, i mooted the idea SE could not defended, investors and potential investors are clueless...so far for so many years its proven so, so my points were strengthened, i dont think you have ever prove such thing could happen, dont know why you couldnt accept the facts
which post i did that? why are making statements, when i can specifically point out where you did so while you cant?
of course you cant asnwer for SE, just like no one can answer for SE, which was what i have been putting across
there wasnt anyone who could, given a sample of the population and you couldnt get answers, what do you say about this? could you yourself do a survey of the population and say they could answer? i dont think so
cannot and would are used in two different context, so do not be confused, i do not wish to teach primary school stuff to you
of course, to add to the worsening situation in SE, nobody with neutral position could even say anything
again, using my words, when you couldnt even defend yourself, this is very immature
reread my posts, i have already define the scope, i have repeatedly told you to read those scope, but i guess you couldnt, because you choose to twist what i have said by avoiding what i have laid out
again, prove me wrong..have the guts to stand by your points and not avoiding them, giving excuses
i recall you still did not give me reason why you have contradictory points, you mooted the idea SE agents could not defend themseleves from negative opinions, then you turned around and say they fear lawsuits
i have not heard you admitting your mistakes here
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The aim of the topic is to prove certain things about SEOriginally posted by Rigante:Let's stick to the topic boys and girls
else continue the debate in another thread
i have proven that its impossible to defend SE, whether its agents or their defenders or even people from 'neutral' point of view, that whoever done so would need to bend and twist their way around
mihiro would be a good example that i can use in the future
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Anyone seen what abductboy posted? Quite a good read
Originally posted by abductboy:
I just drag this from the internet:-
http://www.commsday.com.au/Archive/2007/cdg071120.pdf
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[b]Singapore firm touts “fake” broadband network
SingaporeÂ’s Empire Communications Technology has been accused of manufacturing news of a Taiwan broadband deal.
The affiliate company of Sunshine Empire, the multi-level marketing firm that has hit the news for its controversial business practices, claimed on its website that it plans to invest more than $20 million in a broadband project in Taiwan.
However, the Taichun City Government denied it. Huang Hui-Ming of the government, told ThevNew Paper on Sunday that Emcom does not have any partnership with the Taichung City government as claimed.
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Also can someone familair with Wiki please amend this faked posting:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_WiMAX_networks
Taiwan
Empire Communications Technology announced in Dec 2006 that it will make Taichung, the third largest city in Taiwan and the city with the highest IT users, fully wireless. The WiMAX system platform that EMCOM uses is the most advanced WiMAX backbone, using NLOS in the Wi-Fi wireless system construction to form a seamless thermal hotzone effect to take advantage of a strengthened wireless broadband network potency. The EM-Taichung project will complete and open to public in Jan 2008. Empire Communications Technology announced in April 2007 that it will make Taipei, the largest city in Taiwan, fully wireless. Expected to complete some time in 2009.
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You are digressing and I cannot see how you can 'prove' anything when both you and Mihiro are engaged in a war of egos - he/she to convince that he/she has right to free speech, you to maintain your stance especially when your reputation is threatened.Originally posted by laurence82:The aim of the topic is to prove certain things about SE
i have proven that its impossible to defend SE, whether its agents or their defenders or even people from 'neutral' point of view, that whoever done so would need to bend and twist their way around
mihiro would be a good example that i can use in the future
My advice - PM each other and I am sticking to the thread myself.
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beat this..........
http://www.empirepropertyventure.com/projects_GWV.html
keywords :
1. Global Wonder
2 Journey Into The Unknown
3. Realize Your Fantasies
Haiz......Magic Kingdom 2k2 also no match lol ~ -
Global Wonder Village? The font sucks, the name sucks but in the end they will still announce 90% sold. Amazing
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A Project that EPV Claimed to be "Involved".
Alam Perdana - Luxurious Housing Project
http://www.alamperdana.com.my/
Sadly, there are people didn't get their houses after 5 years.
http://www.hba.org.my/news/2005/405/five.htm
After 6 Years, What the Malaysian Government Had Done To Help.
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Originally posted by kyoshirou77:
A property company which
beat this..........
http://www.empirepropertyventure.com/projects_GWV.html
keywords :
[b]1. Global Wonder
2 Journey Into The Unknown
3. Realize Your Fantasies
Haiz......Magic Kingdom 2k2 also no match lol ~[/b]
1) shifts entire buildings from one side of the city to the other
2) changes design after property been sold, shifting building around the plot
3) changes colour scheme after property been sold
4) interior rendering doesn't match exterior render (interior shows curved glass, exterior is square)
5) no showrooms
6) no building models
7) claims only selling to SE members (see point A) Issues about Empire State Tower (see point B)
9) astronomical costs of developing so many properties at the same time by a newly set up property company. Extremely high risk. (see point C)
Point A:
SE claims internal selling of properties. See this. SE claims around 20, 000 plus members, so there's only a pool of 20 000 members to sell the properties too. They had already put a few thousands into SE, what makes them want to buy a property? The pool is so small, what's the percentage of members who will probably buy a unit? A unit is not cheap too. Furthermore, SE/EPV is a newly set up property company, with no history, no experience (only experience in lots of failed property project scams like Magic Kingdom).
Point B:
First, EST was shifted from Jalan Raja Chulan to Jalan Tun Razak. Shifting buildings? Second, the site at Tun Razak is just beside highway viaduct, and there's a slipway ramp on the other side of the site. Extremely bad conditions. Air pollution, noise pollution, no privacy. The design of the units are horrible, looks as if it's done in a hurry. Design, layout of the building is horrible. Colour scheme changed once, from blue to gold. Interior renders show curved glass, but the building is cubic. With such a bad site location, and the small pool of members, you think it would have sold a great majority only after a short time?
Point C:
Sunshine Villas, EST, the melaka theme park, underwater hotel in Sabah? First, land at Jln Tun Razak. Land cost? They make the tower so luxurious. Fine. Construction, cost of interior decorations? Underwater hotel? Any idea the astromical costs for such an underwater building? They are not many underwater buildings in the world. Firstly, cost of engineering. Cannot get any Tom Dick or Harry engineering company to design the hotel. Need specialists. Cost goes up. Construction, also cannot get any company to do it. Must get specialists. What if the hotel caves in or collapses? Then, water quality, view distance in water. Is it clear enough? If not you'll look at a murky sight, like a giant tank of Milo. So where are the advertisements? In engineering, architecture, business, luxury, design, travel, financial journals? If really there's an underwatr hotel, it would create a buzz around these fields. But...?
Back to costs. Developing a property needs land costs, construction costs, finishing costs (interior finishings, etc), design and engineering costs, etc. The cost of the properties and the wireless infrastructure alone could very well exceed the entire worth of the company. -
I have a dirty reputation and I dont aim to threaten or disrupt this status quoOriginally posted by Rigante:You are digressing and I cannot see how you can 'prove' anything when both you and Mihiro are engaged in a war of egos - he/she to convince that he/she has right to free speech, you to maintain your stance especially when your reputation is threatened.
My advice - PM each other and I am sticking to the thread myself. 
Anyway, my points do add to the discussions, although mihiro might not agree
I dont see how what I think of SE agents and defenders are wrong