Originally posted by the_fallen:perhaps you can rephrase your question again so I can better understand the question which you're trying to ask.
Disclaimer first: If the question is a high-level question which I might/will featured in my own paid product for sale in future, I will tell you directly it's my business secret as my own knowledge which I paid for SGD$5000 worth of business experiences in mlm to learn those knowledge after reflection etc. So until you or anybody else touch on sensitive business secrets of mine, i'll be happy to give out free information. :)
they take money when hiring and give them a basic pay as well. =)
Originally posted by elementalangel:ok what about the competition part? mlm vs traditional?
anyway insurance agents and property agents are an example of network marketting however with a license required and no expense in terms of money.
since you touched on this topic before i placed the disclaimer: i'll just give a short key point describing with regards to your question.
MLM - Lots of free Labour = higher profits
Traditional - 1 Business Owner + Paid Employees = Only 1 person keen in making business positive in profits
FYI: the full explainition will be kept as Paid Business Secret.
Originally posted by the_fallen:since you touched on this topic before i placed the disclaimer: i'll just give a short key point describing with regards to your question.
MLM - Lots of free Labour = higher profits
Traditional - 1 Business Owner + Paid Employees = Only 1 person keen in making business positive in profits
FYI: the full explainition will be kept as Paid Business Secret.
in mlms u talk about starting a business, being a boss, yet u are now talkign about only one person keen in making profits?
i agree with your mlm but only if you are the boss.
Originally posted by elementalangel:they take money when hiring and give them a basic pay as well. =)
Who are the They, Them that you're refering to?
and in the above question which you post, please be specific with regards if you're refering to mlm company/property/insurance traditional business?
Don't let me guess okay so i can reply back to your queries asap. Thank You (",)
I'll reply back this question tml when I get back home again when I have access to Internet connection.
Originally posted by the_fallen:Who are the They, Them that you're refering to?
and in the above question which you post, please be specific with regards if you're refering to mlm company/property/insurance traditional business?
Don't let me guess okay so i can reply back to your queries asap. Thank You (",)
I'll reply back this question tml when I get back home again when I have access to Internet connection.
isnt that obvous?
property/insurence agents take money when being hired and get a basic pay as well. =)
Originally posted by elementalangel:Post 1)
in mlms u talk about starting a business, being a boss, yet u are now talkign about only one person keen in making profits?
i agree with your mlm but only if you are the boss.
Post 2)
isnt that obvous?
property/insurence agents take money when being hired and get a basic pay as well. =)
Reply to Post 1:
With regards to your post, and your ability to understand mlm, you still have a mental block against MLM despite my attempt to explain it in simpler terms.
MLM = Business = Franchise Business - If you still don't understand the meaning it, that goes to show that you're knowledge about business or mlm is near to Zero!
Check out the dictionary to understand about the meaning first before anything else.
Reply to Post 2:
If you think it's obvious, that means you're in your own la-la-land
You didn't even quote from a post which I might have written before to use the text the former/latter, and you expect people to understand. This is a MLM related thread, I don't want to teach others who don't know basic English.
This is not a personal attack but rather A mistake which many of us here can learn about the rules of posting clearing to get the messages passed around without much confusion.
Verdict of this person:
Near ZERO Knowledge in regards to any business.
This guy is trying to be a smart alex.
Advice for you:
If you want to get attention or own your own Thread: Than start your own using your own with real knowledge, don't go around flooding people's thread with your own posts and bomboarding of post when you yourself are CLUELESS about the actual ground-work with regards to Insurance/Financial/MLM Agents.
Verdict or his contributions of posts (to date)
Weak, poor knowledge displayed in the area of sales industry, not to mention about MLM, but even in legalized employments, he already knows nothing.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FIRST.
From what I know directly from my friends in Insurance and Financial area, they (sales agents) have NO BASIC PAY.
The only sales employment which I know got basic is Car Sales Agent with a monthly basic of $500 sufficient for their own transportation only.
Personalty of Poster:
Kan-Chong spider, wants to get facts right in his own point of view without finding out the the basic information, from the frequent posts of his, you can see that he display a sense of LACK OF PATIENCE.
His inability to understand the basics even before starting to question makes him prone to more mis-understandings in future.
He is someone whom spreads gossips and false information if given the chance to do so, wanting to flame the thread-starter only. (This isn't the first time you do this, after few months, you're still doing the same thing, no change in personality.)
He is staying in his own comfort zone, having an reluctance to even find out/ learn more. A Frog In The Well.
Future for you:
Good prospect son-in-law for those aunties in the market during morning gossiping sessions.
Disclaimer: This isn't the first time but THIRD TIME you're attempting to flame my threads and thread postings. This will be my LAST AND FINAL TIME TO tell you STRIGHT - Any other POSTS of yours (elementalangle) will not be entertained because your posts aren't helpful to the other readers in understanding the areas whereby I'm going into.Instead you are just trying to up-set and wreck havoc only.
I hereby will put you into my Blacklisted post contributors at the bottom any thread, and place your name in any of my future threads if any since you didn't even bother to improve yourself after all these while to save myself from replying to your baby questions posting style.
Originally posted by the_fallen:Reply to Post 1:
With regards to your post, and your ability to understand mlm, you still have a mental block against MLM despite my attempt to explain it in simpler terms.
MLM = Business = Franchise Business - If you still don't understand the meaning it, that goes to show that you're knowledge about business or mlm is near to Zero!
Check out the dictionary to understand about the meaning first before anything else.
Reply to Post 2:
If you think it's obvious, that means you're in your own la-la-land
You didn't even quote from a post which I might have written before to use the text the former/latter, and you expect people to understand. This is a MLM related thread, I don't want to teach others who don't know basic English.
This is not a personal attack but rather A mistake which many of us here can learn about the rules of posting clearing to get the messages passed around without much confusion.
Verdict of this person:
Near ZERO Knowledge in regards to any business.
This guy is trying to be a smart alex.
Advice for you:
If you want to get attention or own your own Thread: Than start your own using your own with real knowledge, don't go around flooding people's thread with your own posts and bomboarding of post when you yourself are CLUELESS about the actual ground-work with regards to Insurance/Financial/MLM Agents.
Verdict or his contributions of posts (to date)
Weak, poor knowledge displayed in the area of sales industry, not to mention about MLM, but even in legalized employments, he already knows nothing.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FIRST.
From what I know directly from my friends in Insurance and Financial area, they (sales agents) have NO BASIC PAY.
The only sales employment which I know got basic is Car Sales Agent with a monthly basic of $500 sufficient for their own transportation only.
Personalty of Poster:
Kan-Chong spider, wants to get facts right in his own point of view without finding out the the basic information, from the frequent posts of his, you can see that he display a sense of LACK OF PATIENCE.
His inability to understand the basics even before starting to question makes him prone to more mis-understandings in future.
He is someone whom spreads gossips and false information if given the chance to do so, wanting to flame the thread-starter only. (This isn't the first time you do this, after few months, you're still doing the same thing, no change in personality.)
He is staying in his own comfort zone, having an reluctance to even find out/ learn more. A Frog In The Well.
Future for you:
Good prospect son-in-law for those aunties in the market during morning gossiping sessions.
Disclaimer: This isn't the first time but THIRD TIME you're attempting to flame my threads and thread postings. This will be my LAST AND FINAL TIME TO tell you STRIGHT - Any other POSTS of yours (elementalangle) will not be entertained because your posts aren't helpful to the other readers in understanding the areas whereby I'm going into.Instead you are just trying to up-set and wreck havoc only.
I hereby will put you into my Blacklisted post contributors at the bottom any thread, and place your name in any of my future threads if any since you didn't even bother to improve yourself after all these while to save myself from replying to your baby questions posting style.
Ok you cannot answer my questions and gave another politically correct answer which does not answer anything at all.
alright since i am quite farmiliar with franchises dealign with consumable products, and they put a limit in numbers of each outlet in every district. Do mlms have any limit?
Yes my english is not good and yes i only got a b3 in my o lvls.
and yes certain insurance/property companies in singapore do not provide a basic salary. BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO DO PROVIDE A BASIC SALARY.
can you tell me any mlms where they give their sales people a basic salary?
for the business part, at least i have opened my own small company and its sustainable at the moment even in the financial crisis.
anyway, you can do as you want. call me an illiterate, ignore my posts and that only makes you seem like a loser.(if you really arn't one now)
oh well lets let this tread die off if you are not even willing to reply questions =)
MLM VS Traditional Businesses..
Wots with mlm products anyway...if they were so great, won't traditional businesses adopt them?
i guess the answer is that products are just plain dumb..
in this day and age, how much can a new agent really earn? i think most agents who climb up faster are those who are using their own family...its like making use of your own family lo -_-"
MLM is only good(at making money) when you're at the top...
Originally posted by elementalangel:Ok you cannot answer my questions and gave another politically correct answer which does not answer anything at all.
alright since i am quite farmiliar with franchises dealign with consumable products, and they put a limit in numbers of each outlet in every district. Do mlms have any limit?
Yes my english is not good and yes i only got a b3 in my o lvls.
and yes certain insurance/property companies in singapore do not provide a basic salary. BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO DO PROVIDE A BASIC SALARY.
can you tell me any mlms where they give their sales people a basic salary?
for the business part, at least i have opened my own small company and its sustainable at the moment even in the financial crisis.
anyway, you can do as you want. call me an illiterate, ignore my posts and that only makes you seem like a loser.(if you really arn't one now)
oh well lets let this tread die off if you are not even willing to reply questions =)
Since this is my thread, I will end off nicely with your post despite your childish, spoilt brat behavior in the forum.
Sarcasm will lead you nowhere in business and instead it tells your business partners you lack substance to expand businesses.
To make matter worse, you claim to have a own company perhaps it's just a store but don't you know general business operations?
There's this common term: Example if you're selling a food as main business, do you tell your competitors or strangers your winning food recipe? No right. Use your common sense la.
You don't pay me any money in return for my knowledge so I am not obliged to reply back something that's classified within any business. Unless you're telling a lie or something, I'm wondering how you do your business, unless you're the kind that use pour in more money to make money vs intelligent strategic money advertisment planning to increase any business profits.
I'm sure you're the former instead of the latter which I learnt via paying school fees directly from mentors in private courses.
I'm not sure if it's me who have improved my enlish or you took a turn for the worse. Because my english is only a C5 for your information - to be be sarcastic but rather based on my experience handling negative clients/prospects over the few years whom I've met in mlm, it equipped me with more knowledge than anyone would learn from setting up their own business without any proper mentor as guidance to say what's right and wrong thus business always compete against one another without thinking of other alternatives.
The way top management of any company also selectively reply back to queries, because like I've said lots of times over the years in sgforums mlm threads - The more you say and defend, the more clients think you lack knowledge, proper business handling skills isn't learn by just being a boss, but rather learning from other people's mistakes and making their error to your advantage like what I'm doing now isn't it?
This skill will help you save thousands of dollars in future if you know how to correctly put in into application.
好事ä¸�出门，å��äº‹ä¼ å�ƒé‡Œã€‚
that's how major super labels defend their own reputation.
Learning From Mistakes Lesson Time - Guys - lol
Let's look at your post replies to date:
Previously you posted this question:
property/insurence agents take money when being hired and get a basic pay as well
Now you posted this question
yes certain insurance/property companies in singapore do not
provide a basic salary. BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO DO PROVIDE A BASIC
SALARY.
can you tell me any mlms where they give their sales people a basic
salary?
My response previously
The only sales employment which I know got basic is Car Sales Agent with a monthly basic of $500 sufficient for their own transportation only.
Have I not answered your questions or was it you who fail to read between the lines?
Observation 1: You read only the text which I highlighted only
The answer is obvious.
Observation 2: is that you keep changing your statement/question. When you're losing your stance already you quickly jump to the other ship, hoping the compeitor never notice.
Observation 3:
You posted:
can you tell me any mlms where they give their sales people a basic salary?
My intial Starting Post said:
Try to refrain from posting the mlm company's name
Remark: You're just trying to twist and turn the rules to your own personal advantage only. Always breaking rules and upsetting the flow.
If you're doing a business, I can only say you will end up betraying your partners whom you worked with in face of difficulties.
This trick is so commonly used by MLM/Insurance/Financial Agents that I know the tricks by simply looking and reading.. I'm not bragging here but these are real skills which I've learnt to equipped myself despite my lost of SGD$5000+ in it but it's a lesson well learn.
Solution
Instead of cutting each other's throat here, why don't you take your time to learn more, get a mentor or perhaps we can discuss and clear doubts in another thread but on condition you behave yourself to position yourself as a genuine business owner instead of a spoilt brat demanding for milk when you're all grown up to even feed milk to babies.
The reason you lost to me not once, not twice, not thrice as of yesterday but FOUR TIMES is because of your lack of business experiences in handling people and of course other factors which you failed to observed. Yes you may be rich enough to start your own business, but without the BASICs, all you are is just an empty vessel which makes the most noise.
I've given more than enough of response to your reply. Kindly let me focus on others to solve their problems instead okay?
You need to be friendly and willing to share good things with others in business for many reasons, but those are again business strategies which I can't reveal without any money benefits in return.
Attention: Other people reading this post:
If you have any complaints / doubts be it in MLM or traditional business, I'll try my best to help by answering questions provided there's quality questions posted.
Even if it's a silly question, don't be demoralized because there is always something which we can learn from one another.
Originally posted by Deino:MLM VS Traditional Businesses..
Wots with mlm products anyway...if they were so great, won't traditional businesses adopt them?
i guess the answer is that products are just plain dumb..
in this day and age, how much can a new agent really earn? i think most agents who climb up faster are those who are using their own family...its like making use of your own family lo -_-"
MLM is only good(at making money) when you're at the top...
All I can say about products is that different companies' products serve a different market and they each have their unique selling point.
For instance:
Marie France Body Line
Slim Fit
Bottom Slim
New York (Facial)
and many other beauty centers, they all target ladies and perhaps some guys who wants to look good, but look closely, they target different parts and needs of their clients which is why none collaspe but only to keep on increasing in retail outlets.
The same goes to mlm or any other business.
I will be using real-life examples as reference to reply back because from the post replies to date is that people still have very much negative impression about mlm, so i will just post similar examples, if anybody can't get the link between the examples, than kindly clarify, but please, don't keep on focus on mlm and link them to negative sales agents..
Focus on business, like I did, and that's why even Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki also know about it and perhaps lots more information than me, but they rather not reveal much about it for business and personal reseasons.
If you or anyone focus on negative stuffs, you will end up always negative, so why not try to think positive and everything will turn out positive like what I did.
It's all about Law Of Attraction.
Deino: if you're wondering what a new mlm agent learn, than look at me, what am i doing here with my knowledge, how much did I learn VS the other mlm agents. I focus on learning but they (majority) focus on profits thus the huge gap in differences.
It's not about how much you can learn, but rather DO ANYONE even want to learn about those informative knowledge and skills in the first place?
I learn all these because skills and knowledge are more important than money or profits which is why I'm still surviving and kicking after 5years despite little to no money earn, but I've gain quality knowledge not taught in schools which many paid school fees, time and effort to learn but fail to understand it.
Just ask more questions: I'll share if it's not under my classified section of business secrets. (",)
Originally posted by the_fallen:All I can say about products is that different companies' products serve a different market and they each have their unique selling point.
For instance:
Marie France Body Line
Slim Fit
Bottom Slim
New York (Facial)
and many other beauty centers, they all target ladies and perhaps some guys who wants to look good, but look closely, they target different parts and needs of their clients which is why none collaspe but only to keep on increasing in retail outlets.
The same goes to mlm or any other business.
I will be using real-life examples as reference to reply back because from the post replies to date is that people still have very much negative impression about mlm, so i will just post similar examples, if anybody can't get the link between the examples, than kindly clarify, but please, don't keep on focus on mlm and link them to negative sales agents..
Focus on business, like I did, and that's why even Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki also know about it and perhaps lots more information than me, but they rather not reveal much about it for business and personal reseasons.
If you or anyone focus on negative stuffs, you will end up always negative, so why not try to think positive and everything will turn out positive like what I did.
It's all about Law Of Attraction.
Deino: if you're wondering what a new mlm agent learn, than look at me, what am i doing here with my knowledge, how much did I learn VS the other mlm agents. I focus on learning but they (majority) focus on profits thus the huge gap in differences.
It's not about how much you can learn, but rather DO ANYONE even want to learn about those informative knowledge and skills in the first place?
I learn all these because skills and knowledge are more important than money or profits which is why I'm still surviving and kicking after 5years despite little to no money earn, but I've gain quality knowledge not taught in schools which many paid school fees, time and effort to learn but fail to understand it.
Just ask more questions: I'll share if it's not under my classified section of business secrets. (",)
i agree that each company has their own market
but to me the negativity of mlm comes as a whole...their main products eg. magnetic therapy products...these stuff are based on nothing more than lies...
i can bet you that if magnetic therapy isn't psudeoscience, larger and more recognised companies could've dominated such industries thus bringing mlm companies based on that down...
thats one of the many reasons why i view mlm as something negative...its becoz most of their products aren't really that great...its just that they use beautiful deceptive words to sell their products if they know their product sucks...
i had a sort of talk with one of my friends who is an mlm agent about the product..
and told em that if the product was really that great, it could've been more recognised..all that he has to tell me was that the product was expensive and if the company were to advertise their product bla bla bla they'd have to increase the price of the product...wot i think is that thats bullshit...coz if a product is good and demand is high, mass production would definitely make it possible to end up with an affordable product...
Originally posted by the_fallen:Since this is my thread, I will end off nicely with your post despite your childish, spoilt brat behavior in the forum.
Sarcasm will lead you nowhere in business and instead it tells your business partners you lack substance to expand businesses.
To make matter worse, you claim to have a own company perhaps it's just a store but don't you know general business operations?
There's this common term: Example if you're selling a food as main business, do you tell your competitors or strangers your winning food recipe? No right. Use your common sense la.
You don't pay me any money in return for my knowledge so I am not obliged to reply back something that's classified within any business. Unless you're telling a lie or something, I'm wondering how you do your business, unless you're the kind that use pour in more money to make money vs intelligent strategic money advertisment planning to increase any business profits.
I'm sure you're the former instead of the latter which I learnt via paying school fees directly from mentors in private courses.
I'm not sure if it's me who have improved my enlish or you took a turn for the worse. Because my english is only a C5 for your information - to be be sarcastic but rather based on my experience handling negative clients/prospects over the few years whom I've met in mlm, it equipped me with more knowledge than anyone would learn from setting up their own business without any proper mentor as guidance to say what's right and wrong thus business always compete against one another without thinking of other alternatives.
The way top management of any company also selectively reply back to queries, because like I've said lots of times over the years in sgforums mlm threads - The more you say and defend, the more clients think you lack knowledge, proper business handling skills isn't learn by just being a boss, but rather learning from other people's mistakes and making their error to your advantage like what I'm doing now isn't it?
This skill will help you save thousands of dollars in future if you know how to correctly put in into application.
好事ä¸�出门，å��äº‹ä¼ å�ƒé‡Œã€‚
that's how major super labels defend their own reputation.
Learning From Mistakes Lesson Time - Guys - lol
Let's look at your post replies to date:
Previously you posted this question:
property/insurence agents take money when being hired and get a basic pay as well
Now you posted this question
yes certain insurance/property companies in singapore do not provide a basic salary. BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO DO PROVIDE A BASIC SALARY.
can you tell me any mlms where they give their sales people a basic salary?My response previously
The only sales employment which I know got basic is Car Sales Agent with a monthly basic of $500 sufficient for their own transportation only.
Have I not answered your questions or was it you who fail to read between the lines?
Observation 1: You read only the text which I highlighted only
The answer is obvious.
Observation 2: is that you keep changing your statement/question. When you're losing your stance already you quickly jump to the other ship, hoping the compeitor never notice.
If you're doing a business, I can only say you will end up betraying your partners whom you worked with in face of difficulties.
This trick is so commonly used by MLM/Insurance/Financial Agents that I know the tricks by simply looking and reading.. I'm not bragging here but these are real skills which I've learnt to equipped myself despite my lost of SGD$5000+ in it but it's a lesson well learn.
Solution
Instead of cutting each other's throat here, why don't you take your time to learn more, get a mentor or perhaps we can discuss and clear doubts in another thread but on condition you behave yourself to position yourself as a genuine business owner instead of a spoilt brat demanding for milk when you're all grown up to even feed milk to babies.
The reason you lost to me not once, not twice, not thrice as of yesterday but FOUR TIMES is because of your lack of business experiences in handling people and of course other factors which you failed to observed. Yes you may be rich enough to start your own business, but without the BASICs, all you are is just an empty vessel which makes the most noise.
I've given more than enough of response to your reply. Kindly let me focus on others to solve their problems instead okay?
You need to be friendly and willing to share good things with others in business for many reasons, but those are again business strategies which I can't reveal without any money benefits in return.
Attention: Other people reading this post:
If you have any complaints / doubts be it in MLM or traditional business, I'll try my best to help by answering questions provided there's quality questions posted.
Even if it's a silly question, don't be demoralized because there is always something which we can learn from one another.
1) i have not lost to you in anyway and i do not need this tread as an ego boost.
infact i am trying my best to help others clear their doubts. you could not even answer 2 simple questions and instead focused on a small blunder and claimed you have won.
lets look at this
property/insurence agents take money when being hired and get a basic pay as well
vs
From what I know directly from my friends in Insurance and Financial area, they (sales agents) have NO BASIC PAY.
ok u said that all do not have basic pay right? and in my knowledge to two particular insurance companies, they do provide basic pay, so i compromised.
Instead of answering the question, you misled every one with your nonsence and bashing then stopped answering the question justifying your self with your own reasons making you feel good.
such as this. There's this common term: Example if you're selling a food as main business, do youtell your competitors or strangers your winning food recipe? No right. Use your common sense la. DOES THIS STATEMENT EVEN ANSWER ANY QUESTION?
oh ya you have justified everything with this line You don't pay me any money in return for my knowledge so I am not obliged to reply back something that's classified within any business. Unless you're telling a lie or something, I'm wondering how you do your business, unless you're the kind that use pour in more money to make money vs intelligent strategic money advertisment planning to increase any business profits.
what a loser. if this is the way you defend your post. i am very sure every single person would look down on you.
the reason why you refuse to answer those 2 of my question is because it hits the mlm company that you join. You are compiling a list to your own advantage so you can have your tiny ego boost that you have made the right decision joining your mlm.
I brought these 2 questions out for the sake of the readers. yet the treadstarter would not even help out. does these 2 questions really affect the mlm company u are in?!??!
Originally posted by Deino:i agree that each company has their own market
but to me the negativity of mlm comes as a whole...their main products eg. magnetic therapy products...these stuff are based on nothing more than lies...
i can bet you that if magnetic therapy isn't psudeoscience, larger and more recognised companies could've dominated such industries thus bringing mlm companies based on that down...
thats one of the many reasons why i view mlm as something negative...its becoz most of their products aren't really that great...its just that they use beautiful deceptive words to sell their products if they know their product sucks...
i had a sort of talk with one of my friends who is an mlm agent about the product..
and told em that if the product was really that great, it could've been more recognised..all that he has to tell me was that the product was expensive and if the company were to advertise their product bla bla bla they'd have to increase the price of the product...wot i think is that thats bullshit...coz if a product is good and demand is high, mass production would definitely make it possible to end up with an affordable product...
No doubt magnetic therapy has always being within the debating hot topics when it comes to products, and one of the 3 mlm companies which i've being to previously even mentioning about a public hosptial using it with photos.. LOL
but over time as I continue to watch and get updates, I can and will agree to your thinking to a certain level perhaps 50/50.
With this in view:
Let's look at the issues from different point of views.
1) Advertiser
To cut cost, getting mlm agents and company to sell it is the most low-cost way that the current market know of, BUT i've learn a even lower cost marketing strategy plus it's also word of mouth but without any MLM practices..will keep it as my business secret for now until I've made some decent revenue to proof the efficiency of it first before I decide to share with anyone.
when a new product comes into a market, one of the possible reason why they choose mlm is primary because it's low cost. Backend reason which I presume only might because the advertiser/supplier of the new innovative product has already spent a huge chunk of capital to invest in the R&D segment to come up with the finished product than with low cash flow, they have little marketing/advertising choices left ma.
2) MLM Company
They get to be the contracted SOLE Agent representing the advertiser/supllier of the product, so once the advertiser signs it, it's as good as losing control rights over the product at least until the amount of years stated in the contract.
This benefits the company but not to the advertiser/product supplier if he/she aren't well informed in making an informed and wise decision to choose which mlm company to help market their products.
3) MLM Agents/Distributors
when given the right to sell a new product, they should be happy, but due to heavy competition among the same company agents, it's not recommended for a complete newbie to enter into the ring of competition.
so depending on how the agent is taught and decisions made, be it the success or failure of the mlm agent in the journey of mlm, it all boils down to the decision he/she makes when she decides to help the company market the product using whatever methods they are taught if they are just mere sellers and not product consumers.
it's true that many are taught to be great sellers and not as a consumer point because they themselves are hard up for cash thus that's the main reason why people OVERSELL/OVERPROMISE the advantages of the products because they themselves the agents aren't using it. I myself was once such an agent but only for a short period of 1-2 weeks before I see the super negative impact on my reputation thus causing me to re-think and reposition myself to what I am today.
4) Customer point of view
from this point as a client, COST is the most important factor, and for us to get good products at a much lower cost would mean that the product that you want to buy already has a HUGE DEMAND without any advertising locally in new country (market) this way they can afford to MASS PRODUCE.
Since it's about magnetic therapy, the concept nonetheless is still new so demand is still considered LOW, thus they can't MASS PRODUCE it just to bring cost low. Just think of this from another view, if they have no ready buyers to buy the Mass Produced Products, they end up paying more on products space rental, storage, which will gradually increase over time thus it makes no buisness sense to mass produce without a ready market with results in huge losses instead
I hope I have answered your questions and have given you a balanced response which you're satisfied with. :)
If there's any queries, feel free to ask.
Best Regards,
the_fallen
Hey dun argue so much.
Just fark MLM.
Originally posted by the_fallen:No doubt magnetic therapy has always being within the debating hot topics when it comes to products, and one of the 3 mlm companies which i've being to previously even mentioning about a public hosptial using it with photos.. LOL
but over time as I continue to watch and get updates, I can and will agree to your thinking to a certain level perhaps 50/50.
With this in view:
Let's look at the issues from different point of views.
1) Advertiser
To cut cost, getting mlm agents and company to sell it is the most low-cost way that the current market know of, BUT i've learn a even lower cost marketing strategy plus it's also word of mouth but without any MLM practices..will keep it as my business secret for now until I've made some decent revenue to proof the efficiency of it first before I decide to share with anyone.
when a new product comes into a market, one of the possible reason why they choose mlm is primary because it's low cost. Backend reason which I presume only might because the advertiser/supplier of the new innovative product has already spent a huge chunk of capital to invest in the R&D segment to come up with the finished product than with low cash flow, they have little marketing/advertising choices left ma.
2) MLM Company
They get to be the contracted SOLE Agent representing the advertiser/supllier of the product, so once the advertiser signs it, it's as good as losing control rights over the product at least until the amount of years stated in the contract.
This benefits the company but not to the advertiser/product supplier if he/she aren't well informed in making an informed and wise decision to choose which mlm company to help market their products.
3) MLM Agents/Distributors
when given the right to sell a new product, they should be happy, but due to heavy competition among the same company agents, it's not recommended for a complete newbie to enter into the ring of competition.
so depending on how the agent is taught and decisions made, be it the success or failure of the mlm agent in the journey of mlm, it all boils down to the decision he/she makes when she decides to help the company market the product using whatever methods they are taught if they are just mere sellers and not product consumers.
it's true that many are taught to be great sellers and not as a consumer point because they themselves are hard up for cash thus that's the main reason why people OVERSELL/OVERPROMISE the advantages of the products because they themselves the agents aren't using it. I myself was once such an agent but only for a short period of 1-2 weeks before I see the super negative impact on my reputation thus causing me to re-think and reposition myself to what I am today.
4) Customer point of view
from this point as a client, COST is the most important factor, and for us to get good products at a much lower cost would mean that the product that you want to buy already has a HUGE DEMAND without any advertising locally in new country (market) this way they can afford to MASS PRODUCE.
Since it's about magnetic therapy, the concept nonetheless is still new so demand is still considered LOW, thus they can't MASS PRODUCE it just to bring cost low. Just think of this from another view, if they have no ready buyers to buy the Mass Produced Products, they end up paying more on products space rental, storage, which will gradually increase over time thus it makes no buisness sense to mass produce without a ready market with results in huge losses instead
I hope I have answered your questions and have given you a balanced response which you're satisfied with. :)
If there's any queries, feel free to ask.
Best Regards,
the_fallen
hmm...i dun think i quite agree with the advertising part..i believe that like i said, if a product is really that good, most bigger companies would definitely intervene...
its a fact that magnetic therapy is nothing more than pseudoscience and thats why no reputable company goes into it...and thats why its being used as an mlm product...there are states in the US that bans product that have no more than placebo effects..i think Singapore should do that too..and about magnetic therapy, its actually not new at all..its been around for decades
the thing about it is that most mlm products suck to begin with...
like elemental said, mlm is good only if you're the boss...its a contradicting system..or maybe its the way that its being used is contradicting... agents in the line claims that you're starting your own business...
but the question is, who is the real boss here? the recruit or the owner of the company?...the answer is quite obvious actually... imagine joining the company and investing 1000 at the least...i'd rather use that money to open up a blog shop and sell stuff were i know i can make very high amounts of profit...prolly even getting back double or triple the amount...
Originally posted by Deino:you should watch their car achiever’s video…bunch of money laundering faces….lol
do you mean the most show off car achiever video in youtube before the company was declared a money laundering company last year perhaps?
if that's what you're refering to, i've already watched it, although it's crappy, but nonetheless there's a saying which goes around like this:
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don't you guys agree?
since you both only focus on the end result without processing the process thus I believe the above quote should be more relevant to you both and also to most of the people who only want results but ignore the process be it cheat, steal or lie etc.
Originally posted by Deino:
hmm...i dun think i quite agree with the advertising part..i believe that like i said, if a product is really that good, most bigger companies would definitely intervene...its a fact that magnetic therapy is nothing more than pseudoscience and thats why no reputable company goes into it...and thats why its being used as an mlm product...there are states in the US that bans product that have no more than placebo effects..i think Singapore should do that too..and about magnetic therapy, its actually not new at all..its been around for decades
the thing about it is that most mlm products suck to begin with...
like elemental said, mlm is good only if you're the boss...its a contradicting system..or maybe its the way that its being used is contradicting... agents in the line claims that you're starting your own business...
but the question is, who is the real boss here? the recruit or the owner of the company?...the answer is quite obvious actually... imagine joining the company and investing 1000 at the least...i'd rather use that money to open up a blog shop and sell stuff were i know i can make very high amounts of profit...prolly even getting back double or triple the amount...
Since you mention about being the boss.
Let's look at the 7Eleven Franchise as an below:
Kindly go to the link above to read up the terms and conditions.
MLM = Business = Franchise Business.
Whatever applies to those as per above also applies similarly but with more grey areas in the MLM model.
When you start a new network, you're already doing your own franchise, but difference is, MLM don't train you even before you pay for the products etc as compared to 7Eleven Franchise.
Grey Areas:
Less Control, More responsibility, No Self Branding for your MLM Franchise.
You cannot duplicate the exact system 100% downwards because people's personalities varies.
Differences:
Benefits of MLM Franchise : Benefits of 7Eleven Franchise
Poor Man Business Franchise. : Rich Man Proven & Recognized Business Franchise
Limitations of Franchise Business Across ALL Businesses:
Inability to control another fellow competitor/franchise owner from opening/running a identical franchise business directly in front of your business just a few steps away
Or in layman terms: You can't have control the rights to be given exclusive rights to customers living or working in a certain radius within your own franchise business.
Look at the EXPO 7Eleven - 2 franchise business just less than 1 min of walking distances.
Other benefits, limitations and grey areas will be classified as my own business secrets until further revision of my own will. (Safe-gurading my own knowledge and experitises because MLM has only got one successful 100% duplicable system = copy-cats and completely ignore the copyright laws of Singapore [interllectual property] thus what I know, I reveal selectively only - sorry for any inconvenienced caused)
As for the Boss Earnings - It's common sense the Boss of the Franchise earns the most - Just look at it this way, if you're using other people's success secrets, branding, reputation, creditability etc, there's a price to pay which comes in royalities to the MASTER FRANCHISER OWNER to the brand.
What is different is that perhaps the Master Franchise Owner perhaps only get an estimated 10-20% royalities from every franchise on a monthly basis while the Franchise Owner/Buyer who bought the franchise from the Master Seller gets 80-90% of the gross profits.
When you're looking at only 1 retail outlet of the Franchise, of course the Owner of the Outlet Franchise earns more. But if you look at the whole Singapore, the Master Franchise Owner that sells the franchise business earns even more, it's just like the masses/volume, when you have more people under your network/business, you earn more.
When you control more franchise business carrying your exclusive rights, you will earn even more. Which is why the top always earn the most but at different angles.
I hope I've explained it clearly.
Elementalangel >> You should learn from Deino who post questions with precision that demostrates clear understanding by giving examples by quoting references "the recruit or the owner of the company", . You on the other hand just throw out a topic which only You understand and not considering other's understanding level. That is a weakness of every solo business owner fyi: thus employees only complain and complain but not let their bosses know. Learn more about it from Top-Down/Bottom-Up approach when it comes to solving problems. (I learn this from RP yr 1 Basics)
I don't need you (Elementalangel) to reply, but this is just a friendly advice to let you see the difference to why both you and him ask the same question but I only answer to his and not yours. You should remove your own barrier to learning. Everybody is learning every single moment, like how I am currently learning to understand common concerns from those people who don't understand MLM from you guys by answering questions. It's a WIN-WIN situation.
Originally posted by jgho83:Hey dun argue so much.
Just fark MLM.
now that I've cleared the questions from the floor, if you have any doubts about mlm from the offensive display of language, why not share your negative experience here instead.
Rather than avoiding MLM why not face it.
The more you avoid, the more it will surface around you based on the increasing number of MLMs.
Like it or hate it, MLM is here to stay, so why not understand it else risk being scam by those negative sales distributors when I'm here to offer a helping hand to ease the misunderstanding or miscommunication.
If you notice, during hard times, more people fall prey to even more fraud/get-quick-rich/cheating schemes especially in crisis period.
Instead of being ignorant, why not learn about it and prevent the same scam from happening to you or your friends and perhaps even your love ones.
Nobody wants to part with their valueable assets (CASH) so I'm here to help, so do feel free to ask, but do use proper english language okay?
� okay.
Like it or hate it, fark MLM is here to stay.
Originally posted by jgho83:� okay.
Like it or hate it, fark MLM is here to stay.
Anytime you change your mind or there's anybody else who might be wondering what are the prevention steps to counter MLM tricks, feel free to ask. If it's within my Free Information Category, than I'll reply accordingly.
Originally posted by the_fallen:Agree to a certain extent only, because there are still a small number of negative/despereate insurance/propety agents, just that because it's a regulated company and legalized + recognized already, thus there's less complaints which makes the headlines.
Example of the latest negative practices of Insurance agents - AIG incident. :)
Just learn to be careful
1. Regulated, legalised and recognised company = less complaints which make it to the headlines??
2. Negative practices of AIG Insurance agents? What?
hmm not replying to that question but both me and that other guy ask different questions. he is asking about who is boss.
i am questioning the competition of this industry as a whole