write your complaints against mlm agents here!
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Originally posted by pacer:
The only way to succeed in MLM is to do the right things at the start. What is MLM? Multi-level marketing. Marketing=selling. You must sell not buy. You are there to make money, not throwing in your money.
The distribution or commission system is good but only the brain shelter evil thoughts. All that I can say, No companies had yet to prove that they are sharing the right stuff about MLM. Quote me one if you can, Not one from the days of A1w1y from malaysia(1985), tu11erware(1986), num1er o1e pro1uct(1992), As1yo(1992) till today.
Well, if you are here on the offendsive side..than you are free to create your own threads and in my thread.
BTW:
#1: In case you didn't notice, this thread is meant for Voicing of Complaints against MLM Agents, you apparently failed to read and observe the rules of my thread.
#2: What is your purpose of being here? 2A >> Ask a qn? 2B >> Ans a qn? 2C >> Be a aggressor not following the rules of my thread just to show off your point?
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Loophole 1
TS, you are a MLM agent too I supposed? So this thread is valid if someone wants to complain about you? ;)
Loophole 2
This thread does not belong to you, nor are you the chosen moderator of this sub-forum. It belongs to SgForums and moderated by the moderators. Anyone from the public has the right to post, no matter whether they agree or disagree with the terms. You do not have the right to list your own terms and conditions simply because you do not own SgForums. By posting in this thread, users only need to agree with the terms and conditions put out by SgForums, not you, as you are merely a fellow user of SgForums. In short, you have no rights whatsoever to ask anyone to leave your thread, nor set any rules for anyone, even if they want to display aggression and immaturity. You have, however, the right to choose whether to reply.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Loophole 1
TS, you are a MLM agent too I supposed? So this thread is valid if someone wants to complain about you? ;)
Loophole 2
This thread does not belong to you, nor are you the chosen moderator of this sub-forum. It belongs to SgForums and moderated by the moderators. Anyone from the public has the right to post, no matter whether they agree or disagree with the terms. You do not have the right to list your own terms and conditions simply because you do not own SgForums. By posting in this thread, users only need to agree with the terms and conditions put out by SgForums, not you, as you are merely a fellow user of SgForums. In short, you have no rights whatsoever to ask anyone to leave your thread, nor set any rules for anyone, even if they want to display aggression and immaturity. You have, however, the right to choose whether to reply.
Well, you can have your doubts..i'm okay with it..
You want to complain me..just go ahead lor..just back it up with evidence if you can find it..
All along over the years, I've being here just offer free advices..since this forum is filled with nothing but skeptical people with no related knowledge or expertises in this area.
Since when did I promote any company or upsell any distributors?
If you have any link to any moderators / the forum owner wants to check..just ask them to use their authority account to check my inbox and outbox lor..
I have nothing to fear..
For those who don't like my style of running this thread which I created..all that i'm doing is just to keep it the way I am doing..offering Quality and not Quantity (non-helpful advices) which will only cause more newbies to throw in more money instead of saving their hard-earned money.
Since this is a gossip based forum to being with since the time i got to know of this thread..i take it up to my own Quality Post and Replies to differentiate myself via giving completely free advices/remarks for those people who are sencerely asking for help and nothing else.
I know the nature of this forum inside out, thus the TOU is meant to protect my reputation and my quality post and replies for those agressive sour-gape eaters.
I still remember the older days when I was like on the target board being flamed until it's like 3-5 against 1 (that's me) but i am still standing here..
Quality, not Quantity is the way I do things..(I'm just offering Free Advices openly with anybody who may be interested).
If you are not happy with me or my post, as long as you can provide valid, solid comments, helpful feedbacks, with your related knowledge of experience, expertises and even insights to how they operate, I do welcome you on board to help out.. (don't believe, look at page 7 of this very thread, you replied back to add-on to offer more helpful advice to that user..did i quote you/flame you or anything, I did nothing, for the fact is i acknowledge that particular thread reply of yours was helpful so i just let it be.)
I did mention somewhere in one of my recent thread replies (something like can ask some kind senior forum users for advices etc..) did I not?
For others who may not like the way I do things, I didn't at once force or spam other people's threads to direct traffic to my threads in the first place..in fact it's others who are trying to hi-jack my thread for their own benefits
their aggressive actions of spamming my thread is the reason why that forced me to put the TOU >> that is is Disclaimer to tell people who don't listen to the rules
I'm here to help and not to make enemies for your info.
In case you forgotten..just to refresh your memories..the very reason I know so much in-depth stuffs is due to the fact I was also once a victim, my investments was lost to their scam, so i'm here only to help others by not letting them follow my foot-steps of being tricked by some un-trained agents who overpromised etc..
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Where did I state I have my doubts on you?
Just some reminders for you on the loopholes. Relax, this is just a forum
I'm busy enough not to spend too much time in forums. In fact, I'm a little sick now, and I attributing it to having overworked a little. Well, guess that's the price to have my current networth before the age of 27. Sometimes, I just feel that I can't ask most of my friends on how I can progress from here to accelerate my networth growth because I'm already way ahead most of them. Ask sincerely or even discuss about it, and they will think you are showing off. Don't ask, and I need to think even harder by myself.
Oh well, enough of my rant. Shall not disturb this thread.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Where did I state I have my doubts on you?
Just some reminders for you on the loopholes. Relax, this is just a forum
I'm busy enough not to spend too much time in forums. In fact, I'm a little sick now, and I attributing it to having overworked a little. Well, guess that's the price to have my current networth before the age of 27. Sometimes, I just feel that I can't ask most of my friends on how I can progress from here to accelerate my networth growth because I'm already way ahead most of them. Ask sincerely or even discuss about it, and they will think you are showing off. Don't ask, and I need to think even harder by myself.
Oh well, enough of my rant. Shall not disturb this thread.
apparently, when you said "Loophole" that is already doubts being casted..
If you're having the fortune of your time above peers your age, congrats to your success in stocks trading..
If you want to remain in contact with friends, just share your fruits of labour (leisure time u spend on adult toys with them lor..) i'm sure they will be motivated to learn from you if you mean it to share the steps with them..
Anyway..if you have helpful add-on advice, just feel free to post in future, as long as u think it's helpful and useful, it will be beneficial to the newbies in here too since you and i have different expertises in different industries.
All the best to your trading. =)
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Hi,
my loophole 1 is alerting you to potential flamers. To me, it's helping you.
My loophole 2 is alerting you, again, to what's right or wrong about this forum.
There's no doubts or whatsoever on your behaviour, actions, or character. I'm can't be bothered with that, seriously. You are adult enough.
Next, I don't really trade stocks; I'm investing for longer time horizon of years. Instead, I'm spending my extra time creating value for the economy in my own little way, and profitting from creating that value at the same time; that is, education. My life goal is to reduce the stress of students and also reduce the "hatred" of students on the subjects of maths and physics. That is why I help out at homework forum whenever I can spare some time.
I have to add too that there are indeed singaporeans who achieved a networth 3 times of mine while being 3 yrs younger than me. What I mentioned is for the general friends who don't really give a hoot on financial issues.
Thanks for reading :)
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the_fallen, probably you could answer this question: are you involved in mlm?
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Originally posted by eagle:
Hi,
my loophole 1 is alerting you to potential flamers. To me, it's helping you.
My loophole 2 is alerting you, again, to what's right or wrong about this forum.
There's no doubts or whatsoever on your behaviour, actions, or character. I'm can't be bothered with that, seriously. You are adult enough.
Next, I don't really trade stocks; I'm investing for longer time horizon of years. Instead, I'm spending my extra time creating value for the economy in my own little way, and profitting from creating that value at the same time; that is, education. My life goal is to reduce the stress of students and also reduce the "hatred" of students on the subjects of maths and physics. That is why I help out at homework forum whenever I can spare some time.
I have to add too that there are indeed singaporeans who achieved a networth 3 times of mine while being 3 yrs younger than me. What I mentioned is for the general friends who don't really give a hoot on financial issues.
Thanks for reading :)
well, that's good for you.Enjoy your wealth and share the happiness.
Btw, if your mean to alert me on something, kindly highlight..i may not know your kind intentions without you saying or me asking.
Like you, I help out here, while you help out in another forum out of good will and nothing else.
Moving forward, let's try to let this thread remain as it is and remain relevant. Thanks
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Originally posted by dangerboi:
the_fallen, probably you could answer this question: are you involved in mlm?
well, if i am still in mlm, why would i be bothered to offer free advices to anybody from any company with no strings attached instead of training my downlines to increase their knowledge and sales closing which in-turns contributes to my income in return.
By answering questions in this forum..i gain nothing..it isn't what a sales person will do with no benefits to himself/herself.
I hope that answers your questions.
PS: Kindly let this thread remain relevant to the topic/subject. This is already going side-tracking from the subject proper already.
For any other questions, kindly post them in another forum of mine >> http://www.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/387291 if it is related to MLM Qns else just PM me will do.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Dangerboi asks a direct question. Interestingly, you avoid answering in direct fashion and still do not give a "clear" answer with your circular logic. Being "Involved" in MLM takes on many forms. You "appear' quite involved.
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Originally posted by Plutoclub317:
Dangerboi asks a direct question.
Interestingly, you avoid answering in direct fashion and still do not give a “clear” answer with your circular logic.
Being “Involved” in MLM takes on many forms. You “appear’ quite involved.
Read my TOU..it's available on both my threads..my stand is still clear..no replies back to your queries until you get your basics right first..
PS: don't use other people's questions to arouse questions..even he's (dangerboi) time in this forum the around the same time as me..we know how things works..such a move is futile for attention..[this applies to other newbies as well, if have any questions, ask if in doubt..if you're the real deal..we'll meet given you(anybody) has related advance knowledge of the industry..so as not promote responsible posting instead of hiding behind a Internet flaming others - which i've experiences couple of times with my stay here..]
Btw: That's another tactic which most agents use in the sales industry (be it insurance, financial, property, mlm) all use this method to flame each other to boost their own creditability at the expense of their competitors/neturals who pose no treat at all.
Let it be a new lesson learnt with the new agents in the sales industry..
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Dear the_fallen . . . . There are a great multitude of individuals who are like blind mules, anxious enough to kick, but can’t tell where (accredit Josh Billings). I would challenge you to go back and re-read exchange or inititation of posts. There was, in no instance, any flame on my part "prior" to your rude, obnoxious, inhospitable and I will add . . . "ignorant" . . . comments. Keep in mind that you, SIR (or madame) are the one who sparked the "flame"! I will also remind you that ignorance consists of making statements of speculation without foundation of fact. You have shown repeatedly that this is your "modus operandi" in an effort to bolster what you perceive to be your own expertise, and you are quick to lash down at people who have perfectly logical intellect and response to forum posts. Please feel free to invite me to participate in or challenge me on any topic of competence, intellect or experience. I am sure you will find I am quite the complimenting friend or formidable foe . . . depending on "your" approach. You must also be new to the concept of philosophical and intellectual revelation (matters not the topic) . . . you obviously are oblivious to the proven concept that wisdom is often discovered in asking a question with a question in an effort to get to the truth of an answer. Remember the wise lessons of the sages, grasshopper! Respectfully - P. Pluto
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Originally posted by Plutoclub317:
Dear the_fallen . . . .
There are a great multitude of individuals who are like blind mules, anxious enough to kick, but can’t tell where (accredit Josh Billings).
I would challenge you to go back and re-read exchange or inititation of posts. There was, in no instance, any flame on my part “prior” to your rude, obnoxious, inhospitable and I will add . . . “ignorant” . . . comments. Keep in mind that you, SIR (or madame) are the one who sparked the “flame”! I will also remind you that ignorance consists of making statements of speculation without foundation of fact. You have shown repeatedly that this is your “modus operandi” in an effort to bolster what you perceive to be your own expertise, and you are quick to lash down at people who have perfectly logical intellect and response to forum posts.
Please feel free to invite me to participate in or challenge me on any topic of competence, intellect or experience. I am sure you will find I am quite the complimenting friend or formidable foe . . . depending on “your” approach.
You must also be new to the concept of philosophical and intellectual revelation (matters not the topic) . . . you obviously are oblivious to the proven concept that wisdom is often discovered in asking a question with a question in an effort to get to the truth of an answer. Remember the wise lessons of the sages, grasshopper!
Respectfully – P. Pluto
An Attention Seeker.
Who Keeps Breaking The Rules
Totally Off-Tracked.. (Start your own thread instead of hi-jacking)
No related questions.
Acting to be a well mannered guy with "Respectfully..." yet failed to follow the simplest basic english nor directions..that's a great example of a sturbon sales person who refuse to listen and insist on doing things he/her way..that's the real cause for tons of people to be skeptical against direct sales, in particular MLM..
Having a single bad experience isn't enough..yet wanting to ampify the negative experiences on a larger skill by quoting others questions which is already solved..a lowly tactic..used by terrorist in attempt to brain-wash those inncoent gullible minds who knows nothing.. (If any users wants to follow or accept his/her ideas, continue at your own risk of being on the path of being a OUTCAST!)
A user who don't even have his/own rules, yet keep pushing the boundary for attention, new users to the industry often practice this tactic.
With each single post, you show more mistakes which is Of a Great Help as Case Study to help other sales people learn what not to dos.
Other new users or experience users are free to comment on any nasty, unpleasant experience which you and your friends may have experienced.
Just kindly read back past thread replies to learn and not repeat the same mistakes.
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Simply take a very long look in the mirror, the_fallen. Your response echos exactly who you are! Enough said.
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Simply take a very long look in the mirror, the_fallen. Your response echos exactly who you are! Enough said.
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Originally posted by Plutoclub317:
Simply take a very long look in the mirror, the_fallen. Your response echos exactly who you are! Enough said.
Well, you can say anything you want..like i said previously in the other thread of mine..i'll let you win if you want to. .Carry on the blamming/finger-pointing game at your own expenses..
Time and action will reveal nothing but the truth.
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Agreed that time will reveal what is.
Note - it is not a matter of winning, not my intention, nor my objective. This whole issue arose when you began a campaign of demeaning responses, and not just to my own as evidenced from a review of threads. Keep in mind that constructive critique and encouragement will always garner much more respect than blatant assumption and condescending remark. It also wins more friends and helps influence more productive discourse in these threads. I am sure many of these readers herein would agree.
P. Pluto
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Originally posted by Plutoclub317:
Agreed that time will reveal what is.
Note - it is not a matter of winning, not my intention, nor my objective. This whole issue arose when you began a campaign of demeaning responses, and not just to my own as evidenced from a review of threads. Keep in mind that constructive critique and encouragement will always garner much more respect than blatant assumption and condescending remark. It also wins more friends and helps influence more productive discourse in these threads. I am sure many of these readers herein would agree.
P. Pluto
Stick to the basics if your upline/mentor/adviser/teacher/lecturer/facilitator who may have taught you that..
Time tells who knows the facts and who don't.
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Hello the_fallen :D,
I saw this quote: Side-track a bit: If there's anyone who appreciate what I'm offering in terms of free knowledge (think about the value that I can provide with my classified business secrets), feel free to approach me to see if we can work together in joint ventures.
May I know if you're interested in forming partnership or similar?
Warmest Regards,
Ken :D
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Originally posted by Unprokiller:
Hello the_fallen :D,
I saw this quote: Side-track a bit: If there's anyone who appreciate what I'm offering in terms of free knowledge (think about the value that I can provide with my classified business secrets), feel free to approach me to see if we can work together in joint ventures.
May I know if you're interested in forming partnership or similar?
Warmest Regards,
Ken :D
Hi Ken, with regards to your question, perhaps you might want to post your question on the other thread which caters to any questions instead of posting it here which in this thread.
This thread is meant to help people who may have complaints and problems they want to solve on issues about how to save themselves or their friends from being mis-lead or forced to join due to peer pressure or greed or even counter measures.
You can post your question in this link http://sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/387291 which I've copied for your convenience. I'll not reply in this thread so as not to encourage other users from side-tracking from the main purpose of this thread.
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No complaints in quite a while on this thread. Kudos to those who are experiencing success with their networking engagements. Must be a sign of the times that more people are conducting ethical and formative business. A quiet forum of this nature is a good thing.
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It's being quite some time since somebody post any complaints against any wrong-doings of sales distributors/agents in MLM.
Kindly share your negative/nasty experience here for all of us to learn from too. Please be reminded to keep within the subject of this thread.
Should there be anyone out there who may have questions to ask, feel free to go over to http://sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/387291 and pose your doubts/queries and I'll see how I can help along together with some other kind souls in sgforums too.
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Hi the_fallen,
how has year 2010 been treating for you? Good? :)
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I dont really like mlm people trying to sell their products to me.
But normally or rather 100%, I will nvr meet them for any foc lunch or goodies. No way.