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Originally posted by S F:
Hi,
May I know if all health products offered by MLM in Singapore are regulated by which government authority ?
Are the products required by the authorities to be certified as not containing any harmful ingredients and safe to be consumed?
Hi,It depends on which company is that.. those legitimate ones will havce the products regulated by HSA (Health Sciences Authority)
Actually, it does not matter whether the products are offered through Direct Selling or in the shops.. the products will have to be certified as they are all a form of sales to the customer.
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Originally posted by S F:
Hi,
May I know if all health products offered by MLM in Singapore are regulated by which government authority ?
Are the products required by the authorities to be certified as not containing any harmful ingredients and safe to be consumed?
It is not required by law for MLM companies' products to be regulated by govt related bodies. Correct me if I'm wrong (but do show the link to URL reference to govt site so I can learn too)
If they do show verification proof, count it as a bonus.
If you are in doubt, you can always ask the company service staff to show proof of product certification done by HSA (Local Govt). You can always call the HSA hotline to verify if the company is speaking the truth to make sure you are not buying the products claiming to be HSA tested.
If they show FDA (that's the USA Govt)..so don't be misleaded by companies which shows FDA.
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It's being some time now that this thread has being kind of quiet down already..
But I do get PMs from people with general questions. (If you're new to MLM, just kindly pose your questions in this thread, and I'll make it on this thread, so that the reply is made public for all others who may have the same questions in mind as well.
If you have some specific questions you want answered of a company, just reply in this thread, WITHOUT specifying the company name, PM me the name, for I don't want to signal out any company whatsoever in the process.
However, should you have any nast experiences with MLM, kindly divert your frustrations in another thread of mine http://www.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/359405 which I'll address to the issues in there. There are already some suggested solutions to which you may have faced in there..just read through the thread and ask share your experience with us so to learn from one another.
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is Infinity Organisation an MLM?
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Originally posted by mrwonderful:
is Infinity Organisation an MLM?
From the search results which returned to me..
- No search results returned on ACRA for businesses registered in Singapore
- Facebook profile info considered little if not zero with the exception of young sales distributors and rally 2010 which shares similarities of a mlm model
- Sharing same strategies used by MLM companies to retain sales distributors loyalty via outings, rally etc.
- They are heavily hiring permanent employees as sales representatives which offers training (maybe they are using different model, should be in beta/testing mode to determine if current model of paid distributors are possible or not)
- No official Infinity Organisation Pte Ltd Company website (currently is still under construction when i key in http://infinityorganisation.com/)
- Found a website that seems like its sister/parent company: http://www.infinitygroup.com.au/ sharing similar designs in a logo
- Infinity Organisation Pte Ltd 33 Jalan Afifi Eton House #06-01 Singapore ...
Unknown Real Registered Business Entity Name in ACRA
- INFINITY Organisation Pte Ltd The TEAM behind OUR... Experience Zonal Segregation Central 53A Boat Quay, 049842
- Ascentia Group Marketing Pte Ltd MANAGEMENT TRAINEE... Experience Zonal Segregation Central 53A Boat Quay, 049842
Both companies sharing same office address in search results in ACRA Biz File result ZERO results..
Plus bullet #7 and directly above office address are different, yet showing similarities.
This are the actual details which I managed to find
Infinity Organisation Pte Ltd
Terrence Tey ()
33 Jalan Afifi ETON House #06-01
Singapore, , sg 409180
P: +65.68460623But even their parent/backer company holding/sharing the same address as per above found pn http://www.redwoodsadvance.com/ shows no results in ACRA.
Verdict: Most likely to be a sister company testing out the new model of MLM using Paid Sales Distributors with strong company as financial backing of Redwoods Advance Pte Ltd of big MNC clients. (I think Redwoods should originate from Malaysia as their website data states the use of Malaysia address)
In a Nut-shell: Yes. It is a newly startup MLM company using a revised salaried* approach to attracting youngers to join the company.
* - Refers to information that i presume/assume to be true as there's no way for me to verify it against sales distributors/employees of this company.
PS: Correct me if i'm wrong in any way, or inform me if there's a opening to this company for a appt etc: i'll like to find out more info myself too.
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are there anybody from the floor who have questions regarding mlm?
i'll try the best of my abilities to answer those qns if there's any.
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Hey i am new to MLM and have recently joined LFI under persuasion and guidance of my friends.. Since joining it, i have been very skeptical about it.. With your knowledge in MLM and particularly LFI, could you please let me know the basic do's and dont's which i can follow to have sufficient knowledge in pursuing this business..
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Originally posted by MrAtiF:
Hey i am new to MLM and have recently joined LFI under persuasion and guidance of my friends.. Since joining it, i have been very skeptical about it.. With your knowledge in MLM and particularly LFI, could you please let me know the basic do’s and dont’s which i can follow to have sufficient knowledge in pursuing this business..
before i go on with the comments..fill me in with what's going on in your mind on the following questions.
1. do you join direct selling company because of your friends or do you see yourself with a future in that company?
2. if you said you have guidance from your friends, than why are you skeptical of it?
3. what are the specific stuffs (practise, training, people) that you are against with?
4. are you in the business for money or for knowledge and how do you think you can tap on whatever is offered or "promised" to you from your friends?
the above questions will help me first understand about your current situation first, before i offer a suitable solution/advise based on your situation..and not the generic solutions to address general issues.
Disclaimer: i do not hold strong knowledge in that company in particular, but rather i hold strong knowledge in most if not all of the different types of direct selling companies' model, system, pros & cons etc, thus i am capable in my knowledge to advise and provide answers as a whole to anybody with questions in direct selling industry.
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To-date, any other new questions, other than those already being asked and answered in the two threads that i started?
I hope my thread's replies have being helpful to date. Feel free to ask if in any doubt, but ask only relevant questions.
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Hi to all,
If you have any questions, feel free to ask in here, if you need my opinion if there's anybody who wants a netural accessment.
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Whats the difference between network marketing and MLM?
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Originally posted by sweetestcoma:
Whats the difference between network marketing and MLM?
network marketing in public's understanding represents mlm.
but my understanding of network marketing is pieced up from each individual word by itself.
meaning to say everybody can learn networking skills such as public relations, building rapport with people, than using the positive network of relationship built over time to do soft/subtle marketing of him/herself regardless of the products or services or selling themselves.
mlm is a franchise automation strategy used by companies and even businesses with minor adjustments to remove the negative stigma from it only.
MLM is only a top-down marketing approach, where the leader say, the followers/team members can only agree. Period. Like wise for CEO, Management to give instructions and buy new products to sell, distributors can only accept and make the best out of it without able to change anything.
it's a "good" place to train and practise business skills with the proper guidance, but majority if not all of the distributors are corrupted to the core already focusing only on Money and not learning the real business aspect of the company in customer servicing, follow-up, sales presentation, cold-calling, individual, group and mass training cum presentation, handling troublesome prospects etc.
there's a lot more benefits in those, but only a very tiny percentage of individuals wil be able to succeed in learning those core sales skills required to make money.
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hi does anyone know more about infinity organisation? it seems like they're currently hiring ppl for a series of job placements. how different are they from the mlm companies that we see around?
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Originally posted by wowww:
hi does anyone know more about infinity organisation? it seems like they're currently hiring ppl for a series of job placements. how different are they from the mlm companies that we see around?
Refer to the post that I replied to a previous inquiry on the same company as of 12th Jan 2011 4:13pm.
I did a search, apparently, they company website is still providing very little if not non-related company profile description..with contents over generalized..
As for facebook photos, it shows typical young playful company with based on their casual photos taken.
As for the positions that they are hiring, i presume that they are indeed adopting dual approaches to differentiate themselves from average direct selling companies.
PS: I cannot confirm that they are a MLM company, but from the Facebook pictures, it seems that the seminar/award recognition/presentation cermonary is similar if not identical to what all other MLM companies.
They business model is a hybrid: Combination of past company in Raffles Place that shifted to Enous plus a portion of Events Management as a disguise.
The only actual positions they are hiring are Administrator Assistant (immed vacancy) & Sales Management Trainee.
The former is a Full-time salaried job, whereas the latter is a commission basis job. >> Purely based on what I think of their business model. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Management Trainee is just another gimmick position which is sales as Sales Management Trainee which is to sell products than get a commission.
Whatever they are doing, their award presentation, based on the stage board in a couple of their picture tells signs that they are just a franchise branch from a foreign company, as they are standing on stage with prizes hang around their neck.
This question was posted to this thread a few months already, and the positions are still the same, if not with more fanciful positions for hire.
If it's a traditional business, the positions would already be filled by now, since it's almost a year already.
The fact that they are still hiring, means that the percentage of them being a Network Marketing Company is over 75% at least.
Plus their online recruitment methods are not done properly with their incomplete company profile in my own personal thoughts is too generalized and tells nothing about the company.
Since all businesses requires Sales & Marketing, Advertising & Promotions, so their contents tells little to nothing about the business. If a business isn't open about what they are doing, what do you think of such a business? I'll keep the comment to myself and let you all reflect and think if you want to even consider such companies.
PS: There are lots of other companies like these..so be careful.
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thanks TS for the advice. forgot about this thread since i posted in Jan this year, got a proper job in an MNC in Feb 2011 and been working there since.
as a general rule of thumb, marketing jobs on those job websites with dubious or unheard of company names are MLMs. so beware...
joining MLMs are a general waste of time and effort, maybe worse if they force you to buy their stuff in advance to sell.
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Originally posted by mrwonderful:
thanks TS for the advice. forgot about this thread since i posted in Jan this year, got a proper job in an MNC in Feb 2011 and been working there since.
as a general rule of thumb, marketing jobs on those job websites with dubious or unheard of company names are MLMs. so beware...
joining MLMs are a general waste of time and effort, maybe worse if they force you to buy their stuff in advance to sell.
A general guide.
Not all positions/opportunites are created equal.
It depends on your perspective and perception towards directly and converting negative into positive.
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One's attitude often dictates the facts, even in the face of adversity or negativity. To that I say . . . .a positive attitude can seldom be overcome by one's negative banter.
Wishing you all measureable succes in 2012.
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Originally posted by Plutoclub317:
One's attitude often dictates the facts, even in the face of adversity or negativity. To that I say . . . .a positive attitude can seldom be overcome by one's negative banter.
Wishing you all measureable succes in 2012.
Attitude is just the middle process. There's still a long way to go if you want to really attain Success..Go search and find out who you really are and what you seek in Life first.
Your Purpose in Life >> Your Life Direction >> Your Actions (Searching for whatever leads you forward [The Quest] >> Results >> Reflections + Fine-tunning of Personal Principles + Mindset >> Attitude >> Behavior >> Responsiveness >> Value + Creditability >> Action >> Consistency >> Reputation >> Brand (Who & What your represent) >> Networking of Like-Minded People >> Leverage >> Success/Failure >> Growing and Learning Together [Both Positive/Negative]
>> means "Leads To"
2012 is a tough year, but be sure to find out who each and everyone of you really are first to focus on your goal.
I hope the clarifcation helps you to move forward.
Read up more self-improvement books if anybody of you here wants to really grow mentally.
Best of Luck moving Forward 2012 & Happy New Year. -
Hey guys, any new questions that anybody might like to ask and have quality replies?
I'm still around just so to provide quality replies like always..
Oh ya, if there's anybody else who wants to PM me for appt meeting, don't just PM your contact number and expect me to contact you [whoever you in future may be].
At my current level of learning on the ground business to learn things where Network Marketing companies can't provide me room for learning, thus my criteria for filtering is higher than before..so kindly ensure that i'll be attending/show up first before stopping communication in sgforums Private Message.
I hope my thread has help a couple of individuals to answer any questions that you may have which are already being answered without even asking.
If there's any other questions that's not being reflected in here..please by all means post a reply in this thread, i'm always open to learning from anybody from new questions posted.
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Hi, I chanced upon this page while googling about infinity organization. I was actually asked to go down for an interview for their administrative exe role.. They posted their jobs ads under ascentia but when I go down, I actually saw infinity organization. So I'm actually very curious about this company.. Went to take a look at their infinity website but they wrote nothing about ascentia.... So I'm kind of curious if I should take up this position...
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Originally posted by rinne:
Hi, I chanced upon this page while googling about infinity organization. I was actually asked to go down for an interview for their administrative exe role.. They posted their jobs ads under ascentia but when I go down, I actually saw infinity organization. So I’m actually very curious about this company.. Went to take a look at their infinity website but they wrote nothing about ascentia…. So I’m kind of curious if I should take up this position…
if you like, you may..
actually i've being there for interview before..got selected..but i realized i'm not as passionate in doing only offline sales..
all i can say after going there for work interview is that they are a outsourcing sales and marketing company helping companies to grow their sales without taking any credits,which all goes to their clients who engage them..only getting paid commission for each successful sign up..
i would say it's better than network marketing..but it's not for everybody..as it's still a sales and quota employment..it's not a network marketing company..
the good part of this in a nut-shell.
Auto-promotion based on the different sales quota that you hit
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Hi, i have been invited to a MLM company to be a biz partner. i do have some question wrt the legitimacy of the biz.
Please refer to
https://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/MULTI-LEVEL%20MARKETING%20AND%20PYRAMID%20SELLING%20%28EXCLUDED%20SCHEMES%20AND%20ARRANGEMENTS%29%20ORDER.htm
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(i)
story: This MLM agent told me that i needed to pay a one-off sum of money to buy their products to sell. Subsequently, if i needed to sell more products, i will just have to being the customer to the warehouse/shop to buy it. She claims that the purpose of this one-off payment is so that i prove myself, to the company, as a serious entrepreneur who is willing to work hard to succeed. She also says that this money represents a start-up capital that every biz will have to pay.
Q: is this the above practise legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(iii)
Story: the agent said that part of my mission is to recruit and train more biz partners into the company. After training a certain number of people, i will be promoted to a rank which promises passive income. She claims that this income will continue coming in regardless if i or those that i recruit, make any sales at all.
Q: Is the above legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?.
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(vii) and 2(c)(viii)
Story: The MLM company that i was invited requires no contract whatsoever. There is also no mention of this gurantee.
Q: Do other MLM company practise this law? Is there a contract that all you (MLM agents) signed before you are considered an MLM agent?
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Originally posted by Chaijiaxun:
Hi, i have been invited to a MLM company to be a biz partner. i do have some question wrt the legitimacy of the biz.
Please refer to
https://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/MULTI-LEVEL%20MARKETING%20AND%20PYRAMID%20SELLING%20%28EXCLUDED%20SCHEMES%20AND%20ARRANGEMENTS%29%20ORDER.htm
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(i)
story: This MLM agent told me that i needed to pay a one-off sum of money to buy their products to sell. Subsequently, if i needed to sell more products, i will just have to being the customer to the warehouse/shop to buy it. She claims that the purpose of this one-off payment is so that i prove myself, to the company, as a serious entrepreneur who is willing to work hard to succeed. She also says that this money represents a start-up capital that every biz will have to pay.
Q: is this the above practise legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(iii)
Story: the agent said that part of my mission is to recruit and train more biz partners into the company. After training a certain number of people, i will be promoted to a rank which promises passive income. She claims that this income will continue coming in regardless if i or those that i recruit, make any sales at all.
Q: Is the above legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?.
This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(vii) and 2(c)(viii)
Story: The MLM company that i was invited requires no contract whatsoever. There is also no mention of this gurantee.
Q: Do other MLM company practise this law? Is there a contract that all you (MLM agents) signed before you are considered an MLM agent?
1. The practice of Bulk Purchase for network marketing companies is a standard practice international, unless you are exceptional lucky to meet 100% ethical independent distributors who only encourage you to buy just 1 bottle/unit of product inclusive of membership fee.
Bulk purchase serves a couple of purpose.
I - Shows individual capabilities/commitment
II - Allows both upline (the person who recruited you) and the company to make profits from your bulk purchase (sales of products)
III - You with lots of products, will be pushed/financially motivated to push for sales, in order to recoup your 'Investments', thus fast forward your learning curve.2. Mission/Job Scope of Independent Distributors are as follows (across all network marketing companies)
I - Sell more products to end consumers (create active/recurring clients who like the products)
II - Recruit and train more downlines to sell more products
III - Train up more sales leaders to expand group sales, in return for each respective leader's advancement into the higher rank or hit quota for company incentives.
IV - Over the years of exploring companies, all compaines are only FOCUSED ON SALES TRAINING, only 0.000001% will concentrate on actual Business & Personal Development as an Entrepreneur.. | I'm the exceptional case, thus I don't earn from Network Marketing due to being too ethical.
V - Never do what they tell you to do (Don't follow blindly)..Join them only if you see/ can align the company's direction in the same direction as yours..don't try to fit into a company that force their will/goals onto you..>> This spells incomptability/Job Mis-Match
3. MLM Agent VS Independent DistributorRead the clause clearly..no company/business in the right mind will immediately declare and allow new recruits without going through the training and proof themselves to represent the company and as such increasing their risk of unable to deliver.
That is why majority of the company sales are made in-house..where senior trainers/sales leaders can make sure correct representation/message are carried across.
All "MLM Agents" are legally classified only as Independent Distributors, thus they cannot handle Counter Sales, Admin, Management documents, which are handled by Full-Time staffs.
The term is used because they are considered
A) Full timers
B) Part timers
C) Free Lance Basis
D) Clients & MembersThe word INDEPENDENT states he/she cannot represent the company in anyway BUT they can help to sell the company products in return for a commission for every single sales made, which is why all agents push for SALEs to the extent most become Black Sheeps which consist of 95%.
4. Guarantee
Network Marketing like any other businesses, doesn't promise any guarantee with the exception of financial investment products, which they still have to sign agreement to undertake and risk involve and discharge the company/bank of the risk involved.
Nobody/company will provide any guarantee.The best guarantee you can get is to learn how to select the 0.0001% Good Leaders/Mentors/Coach to show you the ropes with practical examples and hand-holding of coaching.
Disclaimer: I didn't even read the clause of the link you provide, as I know how the industry from the inside out (excluding the management/financial/admin side - full time employees)..from the perspective of a Independent Distributor.
I hope my replies answers your questions..Feel free to ask more questions if you're still in doubt. -
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