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Hmm, *rubs chin*Originally posted by heaVen_buBBles:From what I've checked, HSA is more for canned food and it's more important to have the singpore's PSB report for medical, cosmetics and aroma products.
Btw, I was just shocked to see the NTI's aroma diffusers selling there and at a cheap rate... I'm also interested in Belair's products so please let me know if there's anything you found out.. thanks...
HSA claim to do checks on health care and skincare stuff, and PSB more on quality checks, even on stuff like electrical items and I think on manufacturing practices, and even on food poisoning cases.
Well, might as well have those two certifications, be more kiasu a bit.
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Oh yah, I have a friend in Belair, but he is studying overseas, you can check out their website, and there is a topic around here in Kopitiam. -
Their website has quite limited information and the topic you mentioned I've read too...Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, *rubs chin*
HSA claim to do checks on health care and skincare stuff, and PSB more on quality checks, even on stuff like electrical items and I think on manufacturing practices, and even on food poisoning cases.
Well, might as well have those two certifications, be more kiasu a bit.
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PSB Singapore
HSA Singapore
Oh yah, I have a friend in Belair, but he is studying overseas, you can check out their website, and there is a topic around here in Kopitiam.
Anyway, regarding the HSA and PSB thingy was heard from a friend and tot of sharing it... It's nice to have you pointing the mistakes too...
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Hello.. It is stated in the cover that it is used in New York, Paris and another place, which I have forgotten.. Anyway, it's just a cover.. The package include 4 stuff.. The cleanser, Toner, Lightening UV shield and Lightening Oxygen Emulson.. I am using it now.. I would say, its quite ok.. Just that I am not sure about the origin and dont know whether if it's overpriced.. Please advice.. Thank..
Definitely it is OVERPRICED! i get the following items at least 6 times more with tat kind of price.!
1 different skin type has different skin condition, what is good to u maynot be good to someone else. it will be questionable if they package them into a price.
2. these items cant be that expensive based on my experience, even companies selling premium product, would not sell so expensive for such products. think again it is 4 for $288!
3. Usually skin care products. there might be a lot of product demonstration or training for its distributors on wat usage and some other procedures of apply it on ur skin.
4. From what i learnt, oxygen is supplemental to the skin. you will feel cooling when apply it. What the skin really need is water (H20)
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mmm... I guess those products are really overpriced.. Too bad, I have bought it, and have to finish it so as not to waste them.. On your no. 3 point, I think that is what I feel that is lacking in NTI.. They just talked to me about the product and of course plans, without actually demonstrating to me about it.. Sigh.. I realized it too late..Originally posted by SongBoz:Definitely it is OVERPRICED! i get the following items at least 6 times more with tat kind of price.!
1 different skin type has different skin condition, what is good to u maynot be good to someone else. it will be questionable if they package them into a price.
2. these items cant be that expensive based on my experience, even companies selling premium product, would not sell so expensive for such products. think again it is 4 for $288!
3. Usually skin care products. there might be a lot of product demonstration or training for its distributors on wat usage and some other procedures of apply it on ur skin.
4. From what i learnt, oxygen is supplemental to the skin. you will feel cooling when apply it. What the skin really need is water (H20)
it will be easier for u to ask me more questions, if u have anything..
Anyway, I also noticed that on the bottles, they only display the name of the products and some description.. Cos I have noticed that in some other products, like dermalogica skin care products, there are a lot of information available, like where it is made from, the serial no., some have barcodes.. I would like to know, are these information not neccessary to appear in every product, or MLM products dont require these details? Hope you can advice me on that.. Thanks a lot..
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As far as i know, HSA does not endorse or certify any products, based on my check wif them:
2 We wish to reiterate that if you are considering a business venture with any direct/multi-level marketing company, you will be taking on the responsibilities of a dealer and will be liable for the safety and quality of the products you are dealing with. Dealers of are required to comply with the set of guidelines for the sale and supply of health supplements set out by the HSA.Please be informed that the HSA does not approve nor endorse any products.
3 We are pleased to forward to you our guidelines for your reference. (See attached file: HS Guidelines-V10 (Jan04).pdf)
4 Consumers and other parties are also required to exercise personal judgement and discretion in the choice of these products. If they are in doubt, they are advised to consult professionals such as family doctors, community pharmacists, qualified nutritionists and in particular, their supplier for clarification on specific products and information relating to these products.
5 Thank you.
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it is important to list down all the product specifications in the product itself.
If the product is not labelled with the specific ingredients, we can truely say that the product has not gone through the Ministry of Health for examination or product testing. becos certain ingredients are definitely banned in singapore...
ANy product must need a ingredients specifications in ORDER TO SELL.. tat all i can say! -
Regarding the O2xy8 product which they are selling, they do specify the ingredients in another piece of card and in another booklet which talked about the product.. But there is not information as to where it is made and the address of this O2xy8 company... I can only see this "Imported & Exclusively Distributed by Niutrend International Pte Ltd" on the piece of card..Originally posted by SongBoz:it is important to list down all the product specifications in the product itself.
If the product is not labelled with the specific ingredients, we can truely say that the product has not gone through the Ministry of Health for examination or product testing. becos certain ingredients are definitely banned in singapore...
ANy product must need a ingredients specifications in ORDER TO SELL.. tat all i can say!
As for the Essential Oil, I dont see any ingredients at all.. And just like above, only the brand name without any other information..
And regarding this, is it possible that I check with any authorized department in the govt to see if the 2 products are actually legalized?? mmm... Any suggestions as to how I can go about doing it?
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Hmm, i am confused.Originally posted by SongBoz:it is important to list down all the product specifications in the product itself.
If the product is not labelled with the specific ingredients, we can truely say that the product has not gone through the Ministry of Health for examination or product testing. becos certain ingredients are definitely banned in singapore...
ANy product must need a ingredients specifications in ORDER TO SELL.. tat all i can say!
Whereas the brain says HSA doesnt endorse (actually i was thinking along the line of approval), there must be a testing and approving authority for health and skincare products coming into Sg, like AVA test agriculture produce and Spring SIngapore test electrical stuff. HSA (according to website) do test health and medicinal products,
In order for these approved products to be sold in Singapore, shouldnt they have certification of approval for sale, or at least HSA(or whichever approving authority) keeps a list of approved products for reference with public, without issuing certifications? For me, I will go dig it up regarding the certifications I seen.Either they are certifications or they are letters of correspondence, -
Hi, I really think you have mistaken.Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, i am confused.
Whereas the brain says HSA doesnt endorse (actually i was thinking along the line of approval), there must be a testing and approving authority for health and skincare products coming into Sg, like AVA test agriculture produce and Spring SIngapore test electrical stuff. HSA (according to website) do test health and medicinal products,
In order for these approved products to be sold in Singapore, shouldnt they have certification of approval for sale, or at least HSA(or whichever approving authority) keeps a list of approved products for reference with public, without issuing certifications? For me, I will go dig it up regarding the certifications I seen.Either they are certifications or they are letters of correspondence,
All consumption products DO NOT need to be approved or even issue certification to be on sales. For electrical appliances, it is a must to be sent for safety testing. As for drug, cosmectis, food, dried food,etc,etc, there are no law that it is a must to be sent for testing. There are millions of products in local market and new products up to thousands are in the market monthly.
The only law that stated for consumption is to state the ingredients. Just like Slim 10, is it alright to sell, however it's the responsible for the dealers if anything goes wrong. As for consumers, it is your duty that you are aware of what you are consuming/ using.
What HSA does is to do QC for products without the dealers/ agents knowing. They will do testing when many complains on a particular product are received or when they suspect that there are banned substances in the products.
HSA will base on the current list of banned substances. Yet if the products were tested before and then the contents changes or HSA has newly banned one of ingredients in the products, it is not requested to submit for testing again unless the products got complained or suspected of banned substances.
SPRING Singapore do not only test electrical appliances. They represent Singapore government to do testing on anything to check the effectiveness, safety, percentage, environmental friendly of contents. This is to ensure that all products tested are under international standard. Spring test is one of the most recognised in the whole world for its extremely strict, reliable and high standard testing, no undertable problems.
As long as a company has Spring lab test reports, it's widely recognised. However many and really many products do not dare to be sent for testing. In addition,many companies will state that due to the small scale of the company, they do not have the money to do testing. If a good company no matter how big or small scale, they will send for SPRING testings no matter how much they have to pay as they do not exchange money and conscious to consumer's health, safety and life. -
hMz....near to Lau Pa Sat? Then i noe which company liaoz....used to be in that company...
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a good and honest company will eventually list down all the ingredients of its products. Skin care products is a sensitive products and therefore it will be ideal for them to list down everything. Some people have allergies to some chemical or herbs being used.
If the products or the company doesnt emphasize on such specifications, it might be fishy..!! -
the ingredients used are stated...just that it is not on the bottles but on a piece of paper in the bag provided, as well as in the catalogue thingy.Originally posted by SongBoz:a good and honest company will eventually list down all the ingredients of its products. Skin care products is a sensitive products and therefore it will be ideal for them to list down everything. Some people have allergies to some chemical or herbs being used.
If the products or the company doesnt emphasize on such specifications, it might be fishy..!!
effective or not? yeah, like some of u mentioned, it depends on the individual's skin type.
and not to flame this company, in my opinion, if u really want good skincare products, they should be recommended by dermatologists who knows ur skin well instead of u buying products off the shelves. -
mmm... I guess those products are really overpriced.. Too bad, I have bought it, and have to finish it so as not to waste them.. On your no. 3 point, I think that is what I feel that is lacking in NTI.. They just talked to me about the product and of course plans, without actually demonstrating to me about it.. Sigh.. I realized it too late..
it will be best that u can list down all the ingredients mention above. even though i am a marketing student, i think can still abt to answer ur doubts of the product itself, with the rich knowledge about medical herbals i have.
Anyway, I also noticed that on the bottles, they only display the name of the products and some description.. Cos I have noticed that in some other products, like dermalogica skin care products, there are a lot of information available, like where it is made from, the serial no., some have barcodes.. I would like to know, are these information not neccessary to appear in every product, or MLM products dont require these details? Hope you can advice me on that.. Thanks a lot..
On top of that, the reason for why they didnt strongly emphasize on their products, is tat they wanna use the strategy of MONEY. to blind ur concious mind. therefore, when seeing $$$, u will eventually falls on to their psychological trap.. as simple as that..
You are not the only one being deceived.. my suggestions is that you better stay away from the company. NTI is truely not a good company to stay or work for. Try companies that are more transparent! -
the ingredients used are stated...just that it is not on the bottles but on a piece of paper in the bag provided, as well as in the catalogue thingy.
i understand ur concern. i learnt from my mentor, who is a doctor. He mentioned that behind every products should stated wat are composition of all ingredients. by writing on another piece of paper, cannot prove that particular products DOES HAVE these specifications written down! They are smart to make that move, and they will eventually get away easily. The booklets being given should involved all the standard procedures in apply it (Skin care products) and not specifications on ingredients. So gentlemen, look out for these things.. whether the government check or nt is another matter.
effective or not? yeah, like some of u mentioned, it depends on the individual's skin type.
and not to flame this company, in my opinion, if u really want good skincare products, they should be recommended by dermatologists who knows ur skin well instead of u buying products off the shelves.
One thing i know for sure is that, the company still can be able to import goods that cant be sold in Singapore. therefore, it is very hard to hunt down the SOURCE where they came from. -
Here is what that is written on the separate card.. Hope can get some advice..Originally posted by SongBoz:it will be best that u can list down all the ingredients mention above. even though i am a marketing student, i think can still abt to answer ur doubts of the product itself, with the rich knowledge about medical herbals i have.
On top of that, the reason for why they didnt strongly emphasize on their products, is tat they wanna use the strategy of MONEY. to blind ur concious mind. therefore, when seeing $$$, u will eventually falls on to their psychological trap.. as simple as that..
You are not the only one being deceived.. my suggestions is that you better stay away from the company. NTI is truely not a good company to stay or work for. Try companies that are more transparent!
a) Deep Cleansing Gel: Aqua, Witch Hazel Extract, Camomile Extract, Licorice Extract, Rosemary Extract, Aloe Vera Gel, Hydrolysed Wheat Protein, Sodium PCA, Tocopherol Acetate, Ginseng, Glycerin, Paraben..
b) Gentle Tonifying Lotion: Aqua, Witch Hazel Extract, Camomile Extract, Calendula Extract, Aloe Vera Gel, Allantoin, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methyl Paraben.
c) Lightening UV Shield SPF 18: Aqua, Cucumber Extract, Aloe Vera Extract, Shikon Extract, Ivy Extract, Jojoba Oil, Squalane, Lecithin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sodium Hyaluronate, Glycerin, Carbomer, Butylene Glycon, Kaolin, Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Mica, Methyl Paraben Propyl Paraben.
d) Lightening Oxygen Emulsion: Aqua, Oxygen 18%, Glycerin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Polysorbate 60, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Licorice Extract, Salicycilc Acid, Cetly Alcohol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Petrolatum, Glyceryl Stearate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride.
Sorry to all those offended with what I posted.. What do you think of this?? Cos got a lot of things inside I never heard before one..
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Urm, but I do find many reputable products sold either sold in retails stores or in direct selling companies that uses separate booklet to explain the ingredients or composition of the products. Some do not have the contents written on their bottles or box, but in small booklets in the box, like Brand Essence of Chicken type, or in a booklet, brochure or product guides detailed to explain the contents, source of products etc etc.Originally posted by SongBoz:i understand ur concern. i learnt from my mentor, who is a doctor. He mentioned that behind every products should stated wat are composition of all ingredients. by writing on another piece of paper, cannot prove that particular products DOES HAVE these specifications written down! They are smart to make that move, and they will eventually get away easily. The booklets being given should involved all the standard procedures in apply it (Skin care products) and not specifications on ingredients. So gentlemen, look out for these things.. whether the government check or nt is another matter.
One thing i know for sure is that, the company still can be able to import goods that cant be sold in Singapore. therefore, it is very hard to hunt down the SOURCE where they came from.
For me its all right if the box cover do not contain the ingredients list, but the company must have literature ready to explain the safety, effectiveness, accreditation, composition, etc etc of the products, then I am satisfied. Many people say the companies can bluff in this area, but consumers should be checking this part up too, like checking with the associations or institutions that back these companies up.
For now, I am digging up on the approval part. Although someone present the facts we might have to use the products at our own risks, I am going to check this part up. -
Btw, forgot to add, we have a in-house medicine expert in Kopitiam liao
*pointing to songboz*
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Hi
Just did some reading on this forum about MLM.
I wish to share some of my experience on how to find a good MLM company.
1. There should not be any force buying of products.
2. Not satisfactory products should be able to get a full refund.
3. No monthly spending should be enforce.
4. The plan must be fair.
5. No stocking up.
6. Low membership cost and able to provide trial period if not satisfactory can even get refund on membership.
Hope the above points can help. I anyone want to really be successful in MLM business I can show them how to go about it.
There is no easy get rich schemes out there only genuine honest and hardwork.
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I had enough of nti! The way they work inside is repulsive! My friend who just leave come from a group whose ethics are f--ked up and their so-called leader acts like he's the f---ing boss of the company! Seems like the higher you get in position the more "tao" you must become! They even told him they dunno how to do refund! Shit man...
anyways my friend in the police force tells me he think they investigating nti now....ha ha we see how they die man... -
wat hjxfabio has just mention earlier is that, the booklet is found in the BAG and not in the packaging or not in the boxes containing such products..
The booklet Not included together with the products may be questionable in a sense that, they will deny it which has make claims about the products. they will definitely defend their products by saying that is it just a brochure or something. making other claims such "It can cure mircales"!
Other MLM co. also uses catalogues tat describe their product, claiming that it can heal numerous diseases. BUt have u guys ever noticed that, behind the catolgues, it say "Independent Distributor Booklet" or something similiar to that..
Wat is the reason for quoting this sentence to be in? Have u wondered? it is solely deny the misinterpretation of the product, and the company can simply get away from legal charges from consumers as products mentioned does not really meet their expectations. -
Not to worry of what is posted. This is a freedom of yours.Originally posted by hjxfabio:Here is what that is written on the separate card.. Hope can get some advice..
a) Deep Cleansing Gel: Aqua, Witch Hazel Extract, Camomile Extract, Licorice Extract, Rosemary Extract, Aloe Vera Gel, Hydrolysed Wheat Protein, Sodium PCA, Tocopherol Acetate, Ginseng, Glycerin, Paraben..
b) Gentle Tonifying Lotion: Aqua, Witch Hazel Extract, Camomile Extract, Calendula Extract, Aloe Vera Gel, Allantoin, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methyl Paraben.
c) Lightening UV Shield SPF 18: Aqua, Cucumber Extract, Aloe Vera Extract, Shikon Extract, Ivy Extract, Jojoba Oil, Squalane, Lecithin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sodium Hyaluronate, Glycerin, Carbomer, Butylene Glycon, Kaolin, Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Mica, Methyl Paraben Propyl Paraben.
d) Lightening Oxygen Emulsion: Aqua, Oxygen 18%, Glycerin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Polysorbate 60, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Licorice Extract, Salicycilc Acid, Cetly Alcohol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Petrolatum, Glyceryl Stearate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride.
Sorry to all those offended with what I posted.. What do you think of this?? Cos got a lot of things inside I never heard before one..
Thanks..
As you are not an expert in comestic, food or chemical, all the above may look new to you. These are common chemicals or extracts used in the market. If you are free, drop by the NTUC or Watson or any other shops that sells cosmetic. You will find the same content here and there.
Though I might not be a "medicial expert" like Songboz, but I do have cert n practical knowledge on medicals, herbs and chemicals. I have noted that there are some chemicals which are safe in small amount but not more than the safety level. I will like to suggest that you prevent using Lightening UV Shield SPF 18 that might result in side effect .
Just a few examples of some contents:
Lactic Acid or Lactate is produced by the body all day long and is a key chemical which is used to dispose of dietary carbohydrate and also helps you from getting fat. In Gentle Tonifying Lotion, it's not made from the one in our body yet it has the same function.
Kaolin is a type of clay that commonly referred to as China Clay or Paper Clay. It is a hydrated silica of alumina with a composition of approximately 46% SiO2; 40% Al2O3, and 14% H2O. Not only your product has, many other cosmetic products or food used them. For cosmetic products, it is actually used to block the sun and UV ray, that is why Lightening UV Shield SPF 18 has included it. Side effect of it can be unthinkable....
Imagine you apply clay onto your face everyday
Even a little or tiny amount everyday will mean alot if you keep using for a long time. 
Just a suggest
Know what you are using and buying. This does not mean only what you have stated. It's only good for yourself. -
Hope the above points can help. I anyone want to really be successful in MLM business I can show them how to go about it.
There is no easy get rich schemes out there only genuine honest and hardwork.
Thanks.
Hi richyep, I am interested in hearing wat u have to say. How would u approach MLM business? [/b] -
Hey where's monkeydestroyer?Originally posted by donkeydestroyer:I had enough of nti! The way they work inside is repulsive! My friend who just leave come from a group whose ethics are f--ked up and their so-called leader acts like he's the f---ing boss of the company! Seems like the higher you get in position the more "tao" you must become! They even told him they dunno how to do refund! Shit man...
anyways my friend in the police force tells me he think they investigating nti now....ha ha we see how they die man...
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Monkeydestroyer probally hunting monkeys somewhere in Sao Paulo zoo.
I got a question for you network marketeers, something i cannot figure out at all.
I think network marketeers is doing sales, or in short a salesman. However I was told they are not salesman.. so what the hex... are they? -
Network marketeers.Originally posted by NoPoint:
Monkeydestroyer probally hunting monkeys somewhere in Sao Paulo zoo.
I got a question for you network marketeers, something i cannot figure out at all.
I think network marketeers is doing sales, or in short a salesman. However I was told they are not salesman.. so what the hex... are they? Anyway, why not ask those you have asked before? What are they? Believed that they will give you the best answers.