WWE Heavyweight division not enough?
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I think you'll agree with me that the WWE's main problem right now was that they did not train up enough guys to take over the company when people like The Rock, Austin and Chris Jericho left. Therefore, they end up having only about 5 people in their heavyweight division, while their midcard division is overflowing.
Let's take a look at the rosters, shall we?
*(?) means 'not probable'.
**(!) means 'should rightfully belong here'.
Smackdown!:
Heavyweight division:
Batista
King Booker
Chris Benoit (?)
Lashley (?)
Undertaker (?)
Rey Mysterio (?)
Midcard:
Chavo
Finlay
Kennedy
Gregory Helms
Matt Hardy
Tatanka
Vito
William Regal
Mark Henry
MVP
Terkay
Boogeyman
Lashley (!)
Rey Mysterio (!)
I don't think Lashley is ready to get catapulted into the main event scene yet. Maybe stick feuding with Finlay and Kennedy for a while. Taker doesn't wrestle as often as he did in the past, and I think his push has long ended years ago. Mysterio is only put in there because of Eddie, and he's now being pushed slowly out of the limelight. Benoit is out to heal from injuries. So, that leaves only 2 on the Smackdown side. So, who on the Smackdown midcard is fit for a title shot? Hardy? Nah. Chavo? Nah. Booygeyman? Nah. Vito? HELL NO. Maybe Lashley can climb the ladder after some time. And maybe Terkay, too, with proper storylines.
Raw:
Heavyweight division:
John Cena
HHH (?)
HBK (?)
Edge
Randy Orton (?)
Umaga (?)
Kane (?)
Midcard:
Johnny Nitro
Jeff Hardy
Carlito
Ric Flair
Shelton Benjamin
Chris Masters
Any member of the Spirit Squad
Randy Orton (!)
Kane (!)
I don't think DX is going to fall apart so early, so I'm assuming HHH and HBK won't be chasing the title for a while and continue playing pranks and feuding with McMahon. Orton is just a glorified jobber to the stars, and he's getting slowly pushed out of the limelight as well, as can be seen in the feud with Carlito, who is a midcarder. Umaga is just a Samoan, and fatter version of Brock Lesnar, but I'd think that Umaga would be the 'Rar! Me no care about trophies! Me want smash people!' type of guy, so I don't think he'd be chasing the title. That leaves only Cena and Edge. Like Taker, Kane's push ended quite some time ago, and I don't think he'll be chasing the big title again. I don't think Carlito's ready for a big push, and Hardy and Nitro seem to be more suited to the midcard. Flair? Come on now, that guy's too old.
What are your opinions on the divisions? -
still alot of Heavyweight right?Originally posted by Armageddon_arrives:I think you'll agree with me that the WWE's main problem right now was that they did not train up enough guys to take over the company when people like The Rock, Austin and Chris Jericho left. Therefore, they end up having only about 5 people in their heavyweight division, while their midcard division is overflowing.
Let's take a look at the rosters, shall we?
*(?) means 'not probable'.
**(!) means 'should rightfully belong here'.
Smackdown!:
Heavyweight division:
Batista
King Booker
Chris Benoit (?)
Lashley (?)
Undertaker (?)
Rey Mysterio (?)
Midcard:
Chavo
Finlay
Kennedy
Gregory Helms
Matt Hardy
Tatanka
Vito
William Regal
Mark Henry
MVP
Terkay
Boogeyman
Lashley (!)
Rey Mysterio (!)
I don't think Lashley is ready to get catapulted into the main event scene yet. Maybe stick feuding with Finlay and Kennedy for a while. Taker doesn't wrestle as often as he did in the past, and I think his push has long ended years ago. Mysterio is only put in there because of Eddie, and he's now being pushed slowly out of the limelight. Benoit is out to heal from injuries. So, that leaves only 2 on the Smackdown side. So, who on the Smackdown midcard is fit for a title shot? Hardy? Nah. Chavo? Nah. Booygeyman? Nah. Vito? HELL NO. Maybe Lashley can climb the ladder after some time. And maybe Terkay, too, with proper storylines.
Raw:
Heavyweight division:
John Cena
HHH (?)
HBK (?)
Edge
Randy Orton (?)
Umaga (?)
Kane (?)
Midcard:
Johnny Nitro
Jeff Hardy
Carlito
Ric Flair
Shelton Benjamin
Chris Masters
Any member of the Spirit Squad
Randy Orton (!)
Kane (!)
I don't think DX is going to fall apart so early, so I'm assuming HHH and HBK won't be chasing the title for a while and continue playing pranks and feuding with McMahon. Orton is just a glorified jobber to the stars, and he's getting slowly pushed out of the limelight as well, as can be seen in the feud with Carlito, who is a midcarder. Umaga is just a Samoan, and fatter version of Brock Lesnar, but I'd think that Umaga would be the 'Rar! Me no care about trophies! Me want smash people!' type of guy, so I don't think he'd be chasing the title. That leaves only Cena and Edge. Like Taker, Kane's push ended quite some time ago, and I don't think he'll be chasing the big title again. I don't think Carlito's ready for a big push, and Hardy and Nitro seem to be more suited to the midcard. Flair? Come on now, that guy's too old.
What are your opinions on the divisions?
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There are too few Heavyweights on both brands. I remember in the Attitude Era there would be at least 4 gunning for the championship at any given time. They didn't have matches like: "Batista vs King Booker", & "Edge vs Cena" for PPVs. Those are one-on-one matches, more fit for normal nights on RAW and Smackdown!. PPVs are meant to be special.Originally posted by hoganrock:still alot of Heavyweight right?
They had matches like "Fatal Four Way - A McMahon In Every Corner" involving The Rock, Triple H, Big Show, and Mick Foley. Not to mention the "6 Man Hell in a Cell Match" involving The Rock, Kurt Angle, Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, and Rikishi.
Could be because the Monday Night wars are over. So, the shows were more lackluster because there was nobody to compete with anymore, since WCW was run into the ground, and ECW was revived under WWE, and thus he could finally relax. Who's going to beat him? TNA? Nah. ROH? Nah. CZW? Hell no...
Vince McMahon was concerned by the injuries that had accumulated during the Monday Night Wars due to the promotions becoming edgy with their storylines, and thus forcing many wrestlers to execute more and more dangerous maneuvers and plot points (Owen Hart and his tragic death). Also, the addition of the luchadore talent from the purchased WCW added dangerous high flying maneuvers to the WWE's repetoire. Finally, McMahon realized that, with his owning a practical monopoly on wrestling, a wrestler's union could quickly form if wrestlers became uneasy with the WWE's demands, could thus topple the company.
All these factors led McMahon to issue orders to deliberately slow down the pace of matches. He also barred many dangerous maneuvers that had become commonplace, such as the 450 splash and any and all piledrivers, despite the fact that the moves were popular with fans (also, McMahon destroyed the popular Hardcore Title). These acts were done to prevent injuries (thus protecting McMahon's investment), to prevent wrestlers from complaining about injuries and danger (thus preventing union activities), and because McMahon did not need to produce as entertaining shows anymore (because he had a monopoly). -
ok...thanksOriginally posted by Armageddon_arrives:There are too few Heavyweights on both brands. I remember in the Attitude Era there would be at least 4 gunning for the championship at any given time. They didn't have matches like: "Batista vs King Booker", & "Edge vs Cena" for PPVs. Those are one-on-one matches, more fit for normal nights on RAW and Smackdown!. PPVs are meant to be special.
They had matches like "Fatal Four Way - A McMahon In Every Corner" involving The Rock, Triple H, Big Show, and Mick Foley. Not to mention the "6 Man Hell in a Cell Match" involving The Rock, Kurt Angle, Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, and Rikishi.
Could be because the Monday Night wars are over. So, the shows were more lackluster because there was nobody to compete with anymore, since WCW was run into the ground, and ECW was revived under WWE, and thus he could finally relax. Who's going to beat him? TNA? Nah. ROH? Nah. CZW? Hell no...
Vince McMahon was concerned by the injuries that had accumulated during the Monday Night Wars due to the promotions becoming edgy with their storylines, and thus forcing many wrestlers to execute more and more dangerous maneuvers and plot points (Owen Hart and his tragic death). Also, the addition of the luchadore talent from the purchased WCW added dangerous high flying maneuvers to the WWE's repetoire. Finally, McMahon realized that, with his owning a practical monopoly on wrestling, a wrestler's union could quickly form if wrestlers became uneasy with the WWE's demands, could thus topple the company.
All these factors led McMahon to issue orders to deliberately slow down the pace of matches. He also barred many dangerous maneuvers that had become commonplace, such as the 450 splash and any and all piledrivers, despite the fact that the moves were popular with fans (also, McMahon destroyed the popular Hardcore Title). These acts were done to prevent injuries (thus protecting McMahon's investment), to prevent wrestlers from complaining about injuries and danger (thus preventing union activities), and because McMahon did not need to produce as entertaining shows anymore (because he had a monopoly). -
How can Rey Mysterio be considered a Heavyweight? If I'm not wrong, he's under the cruiser/light-weight category.
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tink wat u trying to say tat wwe too little credible championship contenders? its true la but all blame hhh, vince, the script writers and the wrestlers who under performed...
now they need to push under utilized stars from raw back to SD! like randy orton and also develop more stars and protect them from hhh... -
i feel dat raw n smackdown! need to be unified, together wif the titles, having two champions for each show simply make no sense.
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yaOriginally posted by 798:i feel dat raw n smackdown! need to be unified, together wif the titles, having two champions for each show simply make no sense. -
"Unification" of the titles was what caused the huge brand split in the first place. During the (hugely botched in my opinion) Invasion angle, many WWE titles were unified with their WCW counterparts, like WWE's Light-Heavyweight with WCW's Cruiserweight.Originally posted by 798:i feel dat raw n smackdown! need to be unified, together wif the titles, having two champions for each show simply make no sense.
While unification would be good for entertainment, it will not happen. Let's look at the ways:
RAW: 49 superstars
Smackdown!: 47 superstars
That's 96 superstars in total. Let's look at the titles:
World Heavyweight + WWE Championship = Unified
United States + Intercontinental (and European) = Unified
Cruiserweight = Already Unified (With Light-Heavyweight)
Women's = No unification needed
World Tag + WWE Tag = Unified
That gives us 5 titles in total. How are they going to spread 5 titles through 96 people? It would be fun seeing about 10 people get in the chase for the championship, but it's ridiculous. Even if they brought back other championships like the European championship, which has already been unified with the Intercontinental championship by RVD, it still wouldn't be enough. True, at least the low-midcard people like Val Venis and Charlie Haas can compete for a title, so they have SOME use other than competing on HEAT, but there's too many people to consider. We don't need 8 tag teams chasing the titles.
I think it would be best for WWE to remain in two split brands, RAW and Smackdown!, with each side practically having their own versions of the titles, with one thing that seperates them from the other (Smackdown! has the Cruiserweight division, RAW has the Women's division).
In my opinion, they're turning Smackdown! into 'WCW' and RAW into 'WWE'. Look at the titles. They've made it so that the old WCW titles go on one brand, and the new WWE titles go on the other.
Cruiserweight? WCW.
Big Gold Belt? WCW.
United States? WCW.
WWE Championship? Speaks for itself. WWE
Intercontinental? WWE
Women's? WWE -
yeah got point... the purpose for brand split so more chance to develop other stars but somehow wwe is not making most of it by making the roster unbalanced n pushing the wrong people.... if they can get the idea right it can reali bear fruit than constantly using hhh n hbk n the macs to headline a ppv...Originally posted by Armageddon_arrives:"Unification" of the titles was what caused the huge brand split in the first place. During the (hugely botched in my opinion) Invasion angle, many WWE titles were unified with their WCW counterparts, like WWE's Light-Heavyweight with WCW's Cruiserweight.
While unification would be good for entertainment, it will not happen. Let's look at the ways:
RAW: 49 superstars
Smackdown!: 47 superstars
That's 96 superstars in total. Let's look at the titles:
World Heavyweight + WWE Championship = Unified
United States + Intercontinental (and European) = Unified
Cruiserweight = Already Unified (With Light-Heavyweight)
Women's = No unification needed
World Tag + WWE Tag = Unified
That gives us 5 titles in total. How are they going to spread 5 titles through 96 people? It would be fun seeing about 10 people get in the chase for the championship, but it's ridiculous. Even if they brought back other championships like the European championship, which has already been unified with the Intercontinental championship by RVD, it still wouldn't be enough. True, at least the low-midcard people like Val Venis and Charlie Haas can compete for a title, so they have SOME use other than competing on HEAT, but there's too many people to consider. We don't need 8 tag teams chasing the titles.
I think it would be best for WWE to remain in two split brands, RAW and Smackdown!, with each side practically having their own versions of the titles, with one thing that seperates them from the other (Smackdown! has the Cruiserweight division, RAW has the Women's division).
In my opinion, they're turning Smackdown! into 'WCW' and RAW into 'WWE'. Look at the titles. They've made it so that the old WCW titles go on one brand, and the new WWE titles go on the other.
Cruiserweight? WCW.
Big Gold Belt? WCW.
United States? WCW.
WWE Championship? Speaks for itself. WWE
Intercontinental? WWE
Women's? WWE
as for the titles placing, its not a problem at all since they wan raw to be the main program so makes sense to put the wwe title there with the wwe titles... but in a way SD! is creates better stars than raw as they r not held back by locker room leaders n big name matches... -
Originally posted by BrUtUs:yeah got point... the purpose for brand split so more chance to develop other stars but somehow wwe is not making most of it by making the roster unbalanced n pushing the wrong people.... if they can get the idea right it can reali bear fruit than constantly using hhh n hbk n the macs to headline a ppv...
as for the titles placing, its not a problem at all since they wan raw to be the main program so makes sense to put the wwe title there with the wwe titles... but in a way SD! is creates better stars than raw as they r not held back by locker room leaders n big name matches... -
i dun mind other titles such as ic, us, 2 tag-teams or women... but pls keep wwe title, world title n ecw title unified. there are 3champions and everyone are puzzled which champion is prestiged.Originally posted by Armageddon_arrives:"Unification" of the titles was what caused the huge brand split in the first place. During the (hugely botched in my opinion) Invasion angle, many WWE titles were unified with their WCW counterparts, like WWE's Light-Heavyweight with WCW's Cruiserweight.
While unification would be good for entertainment, it will not happen. Let's look at the ways:
RAW: 49 superstars
Smackdown!: 47 superstars
That's 96 superstars in total. Let's look at the titles:
World Heavyweight + WWE Championship = Unified
United States + Intercontinental (and European) = Unified
Cruiserweight = Already Unified (With Light-Heavyweight)
Women's = No unification needed
World Tag + WWE Tag = Unified
That gives us 5 titles in total. How are they going to spread 5 titles through 96 people? It would be fun seeing about 10 people get in the chase for the championship, but it's ridiculous. Even if they brought back other championships like the European championship, which has already been unified with the Intercontinental championship by RVD, it still wouldn't be enough. True, at least the low-midcard people like Val Venis and Charlie Haas can compete for a title, so they have SOME use other than competing on HEAT, but there's too many people to consider. We don't need 8 tag teams chasing the titles.
I think it would be best for WWE to remain in two split brands, RAW and Smackdown!, with each side practically having their own versions of the titles, with one thing that seperates them from the other (Smackdown! has the Cruiserweight division, RAW has the Women's division).
In my opinion, they're turning Smackdown! into 'WCW' and RAW into 'WWE'. Look at the titles. They've made it so that the old WCW titles go on one brand, and the new WWE titles go on the other.
Cruiserweight? WCW.
Big Gold Belt? WCW.
United States? WCW.
WWE Championship? Speaks for itself. WWE
Intercontinental? WWE
Women's? WWE
i suggest the champion should allow to travel on 3 shows to defend his title. as a champ, he has the responsible to defend. -
We all know that wrestling is scripted, and that a champion is not made by how well he wrestles, but by how well the bookers think he can make cash.Originally posted by 798:i dun mind other titles such as ic, us, 2 tag-teams or women... but pls keep wwe title, world title n ecw title unified. there are 3champions and everyone are puzzled which champion is prestiged.
i suggest the champion should allow to travel on 3 shows to defend his title. as a champ, he has the responsible to defend.
Now, wrestlers (from all three brands) have to do 4 house shows a week, 3 untelevised, and 1 televised.
Now let's use John Cena as an example. He is the WWE champion, and let's just assume that the WWE title is the result of the whole unification between the 3 world titles. He has to work 4 shows a week, plus an additional 1 because he has to go to smackdown to defend, and an additional 1 because he has to go to ECW to defend. That's really asking too much of the fellow, isn't it?
6 shows in a week, and with the last day being used for travel. That's all 7 days occupied. Even a "champion" cannot live without rest.
In addition, going to Smackdown and ECW will be impossible. We all know that RAW, Smackdown, and ECW take place in different states at different times. That would mean that after RAW is over:
Cena would fly to where ECW is to defend
then fly back to do a house show
then fly to where Smackdown is to defend
then fly back again to do another house show.
Too much money used. Either way, WWE's creating the Big 3 all over again, WWE, WCW, ECW. Raw, Smackdown, ECW. -
wow...that means waste of money...why don't consolidate all into one WWEOriginally posted by Armageddon_arrives:We all know that wrestling is scripted, and that a champion is not made by how well he wrestles, but by how well the bookers think he can make cash.
Now, wrestlers (from all three brands) have to do 4 house shows a week, 3 untelevised, and 1 televised.
Now let's use John Cena as an example. He is the WWE champion, and let's just assume that the WWE title is the result of the whole unification between the 3 world titles. He has to work 4 shows a week, plus an additional 1 because he has to go to smackdown to defend, and an additional 1 because he has to go to ECW to defend. That's really asking too much of the fellow, isn't it?
6 shows in a week, and with the last day being used for travel. That's all 7 days occupied. Even a "champion" cannot live without rest.
In addition, going to Smackdown and ECW will be impossible. We all know that RAW, Smackdown, and ECW take place in different states at different times. That would mean that after RAW is over:
Cena would fly to where ECW is to defend
then fly back to do a house show
then fly to where Smackdown is to defend
then fly back again to do another house show.
Too much money used. Either way, WWE's creating the Big 3 all over again, WWE, WCW, ECW. Raw, Smackdown, ECW.