Bank Robbery
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10 years ago, a person flashed out a penknife, and the cop did not draw his gun.Originally posted by YI:rob with a fake gun.. if he had done so with a penknife.. will the cisco shoot?
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that is the sad thing about being a cop/armed personal here? Every single round had to be accounted for, and every spent round recovered. The amount of public scrutinity is amazingly stressful, adding another layer of pressure on the officer sometimes already suffering from shock from to the sight of seeing their action resulting in blood exploding in front of their faces.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Wah if he really gets charged for that next time police personnel won't dare to use their weapon liao.. I mean at that split second how would he have the time to decide when, whether and how many rounds to fire such that his decision would be consistent with that of his superiors reviewing the case? At that instant he's probably damn nervous liao..
The hesitation to shoot, and even to draw, can become life treatening before we know it. I experienced that myself a few weeks ago, and till today, people who dont know the full situation still keeps asking me why I didnt draw my gun at all. -
Wah which incident was that?? Was it the one at the Haig Road hawker centre with those bloody rioters where the SOC had to be activated?Originally posted by huaiwei:...I experienced that myself a few weeks ago, and till today, people who dont know the full situation still keeps asking me why I didnt draw my gun at all.
Ya i know police officers will kenna too if they draw their gun "unnecessarily" as deemed by the higher-ups... -
Nothing worthy for the news (or maybe the crowd gathering outside didnt think of calling the press in time), but just typical situations faced by any cop at any point of their career....as a regular or otherwise.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Wah which incident was that?? Was it the one at the Haig Road hawker centre with those bloody rioters where the SOC had to be activated?
Ya i know police officers will kenna too if they draw their gun "unnecessarily" as deemed by the higher-ups... -
With the laser target, won't everyone be a marksmen? So easy, just point and shoot...
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Anyway it is justified.. what excesive use of force is crap... what if they gun is real.. you cant take the chance. like huawei said. it is your life or his life... anyway if that fellow is charged for excessive use of force.. i think police officers no need to carry guns.. all carry water gun can already... shessh...
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i met him when was handing over one subject at the lock-up... it was a brief encounter....Originally posted by laurence82:where u work? cid?
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nah.....he wont get into any trouble.. probably get a award for it...and a promotionOriginally posted by malcolmloke:Well, this CISCO officer fired 2 shots. Was reading another forum that he could get into trouble if the 2 shot was deemed to be unnecessary and only one shot was required. He could be charged with using excessive force.
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Anyway on the subject of cisco guards, i've been going to Geylang East polyclinic these 2 days and noticed that they have deployed a cisco guard there as well.
Terrorism?? I mean, who'd wanna bomb a polyclinic?? Isn't all this heightened security getting a little excessive? -
think of it this way, more deployment = more job opportunity for others = more supply of jobs. our economy isn't as gd as wat the newspaper claims...think u know also lah.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Anyway on the subject of cisco guards, i've been going to Geylang East polyclinic these 2 days and noticed that they have deployed a cisco guard there as well.
Terrorism?? I mean, who'd wanna bomb a polyclinic?? Isn't all this heightened security getting a little excessive? 
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Robbery with firearm carries a death sentence in singapore.
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well.....there are many things the public do not know that we know.. and we only know a bit compare to what the upper management know and so on and so forth...Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Anyway on the subject of cisco guards, i've been going to Geylang East polyclinic these 2 days and noticed that they have deployed a cisco guard there as well.
Terrorism?? I mean, who'd wanna bomb a polyclinic?? Isn't all this heightened security getting a little excessive? -
Think its utterly stupid if the SPF has the way of thinking that those patrolmen who risk their lives each time they step out on the streets and yet cannot protect themselves with their issue firearm.It is really sad to see that decisions to stay alive on the streets are not made by the brave patrolmen who are out there rain or shine and are made by some scholar who sits in his posh office sipping coffee and complaining that the Broadband connection isn't fast enough..
Really belief that the SPF should allow patrolmen to make decisions themselves on the streets as their lives are on the line,not that of some pencil pusher back in HQ who will end up getting all the credit. -
words of wisdomOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Think its utterly stupid if the SPF has the way of thinking that those patrolmen who risk their lives each time they step out on the streets and yet cannot protect themselves with their issue firearm.It is really sad to see that decisions to stay alive on the streets are not made by the brave patrolmen who are out there rain or shine and are made by some scholar who sits in his posh office sipping coffee and complaining that the Broadband connection isn't fast enough..
Really belief that the SPF should allow patrolmen to make decisions themselves on the streets as their lives are on the line,not that of some pencil pusher back in HQ who will end up getting all the credit. -
very the true. they just need to talk the walk but we have to walk the talkOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Think its utterly stupid if the SPF has the way of thinking that those patrolmen who risk their lives each time they step out on the streets and yet cannot protect themselves with their issue firearm.It is really sad to see that decisions to stay alive on the streets are not made by the brave patrolmen who are out there rain or shine and are made by some scholar who sits in his posh office sipping coffee and complaining that the Broadband connection isn't fast enough..
Really belief that the SPF should allow patrolmen to make decisions themselves on the streets as their lives are on the line,not that of some pencil pusher back in HQ who will end up getting all the credit. -
Haha.....reminds me again of the great divide of the PO/SPO dicotomy.
Well, at least we should be slightly glad that ever since the present CP took his post, he has been emphasizing alot on the "thinking cop" who should be able to exercise decisions on his own. Remember a time when switching on the hazard lights on the mata chia also need clearence?
In reference to that penknife think I mentioned a few posts earlier, that was exactly one of those tragic incidents which makes the top realise their seats are getting a little too warm. The general public wrote letters to the forum demanding to know why are our cops "not allowed" to draw their weapons when they sence the possibility of danger.
It definitely dosent help that the person in question was a young 24 year old officer. It makes the public sit up and make noises. Perhaps we have his death to thank for the event-less outcomes of dunno how many repeats of similar incidents in the next 10 years. He probably didnt die in vain then. -
well....some people wont mind seeing a PO dies...since there are many anti-police people out there..
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Wakao. And from where/what/when/how did you get that idea. Ok no need to mention JI lah.Originally posted by houndy:well....some people wont mind seeing a PO dies...since there are many anti-police people out there..
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It really pains me to see cops who are doing their duties honourably end up getting killed because they can't protect themselves when attack.In fact,those high-ups should all be charged with destroying government property,as by right,the SPF employs the patrolmen and when attacked,they are restricted by the so called rules which have to go through someone who isn't on the ground and realise the threat level.Being there and receiving news from there are 2 entirely different things.
Thus,if they have some brains left,patrolmen should always be allowed to take action as they deem fit and radio HQ to let them know what he is doing.And not subject his approval to the approval to someone who is unseen.I would rather have to write dozens of reports on why I draw my gun and get demoted or kicked outta the force,then end up dead lying in a gutter as I did not draw my weapon when confronted with some badguy weilding a broken beer bottle.
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For someone who is sort of stradling both sides of the debate, I can see why the seat warmers prefer to impose controls over the use of offensive weapons. Like it or not, the fact is the probability of firearm abuse is there. The recruitment process and the enlistment of hundreds of PNS chaps isnt exactly foolproof. Secondly, public opinion in Singapore has traditionally been very anti-violence, and they dont give a damn about circumstance. So long that blood is shed, there will be noises made, and our Singapore Police Service wannabe is highly sensitive towards public opinion, or else it will lose its award mah.
This debate rages in just about any developed society anyway. Like over in the US, whereby even if firearms are rampant in society, intense questioning do occur whenever it is used by officers.
Still, having experienced ground patrol, and as I mentioned earlier, facing a chopper welding and mentally unstable fellow just 5 metres away from me in a very enclosed space, the over-riding concerns over the avoidance of using violence as far as the situation allows is honestly getting a tad too close to being a fatalistic positionality to take. I didnt even realise how close I was to severe injury or death on at least 2 occasions in that 30 mins, until the whole situation was long over. -
ha, i got a friend, he always draw out his gun upon slight danger....but he never fire a shot b4. for me i never draw b4....fu da ming da, shang tian bao you
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Well if he did draw, the whole of Singapore would have known liao anyway.Originally posted by chunyong:ha, i got a friend, he always draw out his gun upon slight danger....but he never fire a shot b4. for me i never draw b4....fu da ming da, shang tian bao you
I do wonder what happens when he draw in front of a clearly agitated person who is on the brink of launching into a fit of violence should he be provoked, thou. -
draw is one thing.. firing is another thing... only if your life is threatened or if others life is threaten then you can draw your gun.. it depends if it is a crowded place or not so crowded place.. or if that guy/girl had earlier tried to kill somemore one using a vehicle or something... or that fellow is a suspected gunman..and also house breaking by night... other than that baton will be more than sufficient.. but remeber to shout your commands and warnings.. at least 3 times..if that bugger dont listen...make him eat lead....
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well, if you draw it and get demoted and kicked out i wont mind...if i got my two feet and can see my family in the night or in the day... but the problem is what if they charge you for unneccessary use of force...if they charge you in the kangaroo court not so bad.. but nowadays they go to the sub courts and high courts to charge... look at those 4 SAF commandoes, charge in sub court..if it was some years back.. they would have got off with a de-barrment or a discharge from the army...Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thus,if they have some brains left,patrolmen should always be allowed to take action as they deem fit and radio HQ to let them know what he is doing.And not subject his approval to the approval to someone who is unseen.I would rather have to write dozens of reports on why I draw my gun and get demoted or kicked outta the force,then end up dead lying in a gutter as I did not draw my weapon when confronted with some badguy weilding a broken beer bottle.
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Your definition for prerequisites in drawing your arms sounds exactly the same as that for actually firing that I know of loh....Originally posted by houndy:draw is one thing.. firing is another thing... only if your life is threatened or if others life is threaten then you can draw your gun.. it depends if it is a crowded place or not so crowded place.. or if that guy/girl had earlier tried to kill somemore one using a vehicle or something... or that fellow is a suspected gunman..and also house breaking by night... other than that baton will be more than sufficient.. but remeber to shout your commands and warnings.. at least 3 times..if that bugger dont listen...make him eat lead....